Can anyone identify this trademark?

[Luciano Burtini]

Hi All

I purchased a nice big slick at a local auction. Unfortunately, the trademark is not well defined. I am hoping someone can help me identify it as I am having no luck. Below is what I have.

http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/7014/slicksmrs1.jpg
http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/7393/tmcloseme1.jpg

Not too much to go on, but perhaps someone can identify it?? OK consensus is that it is an Anvil. I am still unable to identify the mfr. Champion Dearment has an anvil, but the pics I can find are quite a bit different.

Thanks for all your help!

Luciano

[Jerry Ingraham]

Luciano,
It looks like the base of an anvil to me. But hey, what do I know!
Jerry

[Luciano Burtini]

You're probably right. But I want to see a face! No seriously, I have played with the contrast and I swear I see a face appearing. However, anvil is a good guess and I will continue my search of the 'net to see if I can find a TM with an anvil.

Thanks.....

[Philip McKinney]

I just this last weekend purchased a 1/4" chisel with the same mark and struck in the same way; with a portion of the the top of the mark missing. I thought the "missed mark" was due to the narrow chisel face. Now it seems it's just a worn mark of a so far unknown to me maker. Anyone else seen this mark?

[Ian Smith]

I agree that the mark looks like the bottom of an anvil. I think Ward & Payne from the UK made anvil brand tools. I've some old Woodworker (UK) magazines that I'll search through to see if I can find a picture for you.

[Ian Smith]

Here is an advert from the August 1959 issue of Woodworker magazine (click the thumbnail for a larger view).

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/mirboo/Woodworker%20Scans/th_WoodworkerAugust1959c.jpg (http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g190/mirboo/Woodworker%20Scans/WoodworkerAugust1959c.jpg)

The advert includes a small picture of the Ward & Payne anvil brand and it is different from the one on Luciano's slick. Maybe the slick is not a Ward & Payne after all. I'll keep looking.

[Martin Cash]

Before Ward and Payne, there was simply Ward, and its logo was an anvil similar to this.
You may very well have a Ward slick.
Ward are very much sought after as quality older English steel.
You have a fine chisel here.
Happy slicking.
MC:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Greg Crawford]

Luciano,

Maybe it's a real reach, but I've seen how police can detect a filed-off serial number from a gun using some form of high powered magnet. If you have a friend that's in some line of police work, maybe it would be worth an inquiry. Like a treasure hunt, isn't it?

Good Luck,

Greg

[Pat Zabrocki]

There is a product call Brass Darkening Solution, that I have used to raise the etch on old saws. I tried it on an old chesel once as well with pretty good results. Clean the area really good with mineral spirits to remove as much dirt and oil as possible. Pour a little on the surface and brush it around with a small brush, don't use your finger because it is a mild acid. Let it sit for 10-20 minutes and wipe it off. Clean the area with a scotch brite or if you bold some 320. I wipe down again with the mineral spirits and your done. If found some pretty interesting stuff under old rusty saws and as I said the odd chisel.

cheers
Pat

[Mike Henderson]

Here's some markings from a Ward chisel. The chisel is a bit pitted so you may have some trouble reading the markings. The first picture is the name, which says "Ward" on top and "Warranted" on the bottom. There's a logo in between the two words that's difficult to make out. Luckly, the logo is repeated on the opposite side of the chisel and is shown in the second picture. It consists of the letters "W" and "P", an anvil, and crossed hammers above the anvil.

This looks different than the logo in your picture.

Mike

[Oops, that's the same logo Ian posted earlier. This chisel is laminated steel so I think it's a lot earlier than 1959 but I don't know the exact date.]

[Ian Smith]

The University of Sheffield website has a page that describes some of the history of the firm of Ward & Payne (http://www.shef.ac.uk/hawley/project/research/addis/ward-and-payne.html), including details of the firms trademark. The mark with the crossed hammers over the anvil was registered by Henry Payne in 1843. Although the picture is tiny, I think that you can see it is the same mark featured in the advert I posted above and on Mike's chisel.

Unfortunately I still haven't found a mark that seems to match the one on Luciano's slick.

[Luciano Burtini]

Thanks to everyone for their help. I still don't know who the mfr is, but I think I have a clearer pic of the logo.

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8205/mvc347fdl6.jpg
or full size....
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9089/mvc347fjp8.jpg

[Ian Smith]

It's definately not Ward & Payne.

Are the letters on the picture of the anvil "R" and "T"?

[Luciano Burtini]

It's definately not Ward & Payne.

Are the letters on the picture of the anvil "R" and "T"?


Not sure but I think so as well. "R" for sure, "T" possibly. Of course, when I first looked at the logo on the slick I saw a critter, so what do I know :confused:

[Luciano Burtini]

Received a suggestion on another forum that it may be Riverside Tool Co. from New York. I looked at a few examples of their logo and think that this may indeed be the manufacturer. At least, that is what I will assume until I find more info.

[James Carmichael]

I'm confused, are we trying to ID the slick in the first picture, or the plane iron in the second?

Ward & Payne gets my vote for the slick. Or it could be that famous tool-making duo, Warran & Ted (aka the Superior brothers);)

[Luciano Burtini]

I'm confused, are we trying to ID the slick in the first picture, or the plane iron in the second?

Ward & Payne gets my vote for the slick. Or it could be that famous tool-making duo, Warran & Ted (aka the Superior brothers);)


The slick..... the plane iron was posted to show what I assume is the same logo, only instead of being partially obscured, it is complete. In any case I am fairly certain that the logo is from Riverside Tool Company, New York. I don't think it is Ward & Payne as their logo appear to be different.