This should be good

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

45 days with no new footage of paris hilton.

I wonder if this will be a sobering and maturing experience for her or if her fellow inmates will idolize her.
No way to know until the Rubenesque woman sings.

[David G Baker]

Maybe she will recover from what ever substance she is addicted to.

[Ken Fitzgerald]

I doubt if you can change 20some years of absolute spoilage in 45 days. I heard she said in court today ...it didn't matter what the judge said......well for 45 days it will!

[Jason Roehl]

Perhaps I should have cried for our country, but I laughed at her predicament when I saw the sentence come down. I'm tired of hearing of her antics as news, when in reality it seems that she is the role model for, "if you're rich, you get to be stupid and irresponsible." I think the judge should keep putting her on probation, and if she violates it, put her on a road crew or something similarly "humiliating".

[Glenn Clabo]

Her mothers comments tell you something...
"As a city prosecutor said during closing arguments that Hilton deserved jail time, Hilton's mother, Kathy, laughed. When the judge ruled, Kathy Hilton, then blurted out: "May I have your autograph?"

[Chris Barton]

I'm holding out for her cell mate to be a member of the bloods or crips and awaiting trial for a capital offense. I wonder if they have considered installing a webcam in her cell? For the right kind of violence, I'd be willing to pay...

[Mitchell Andrus]

She's a monster of our own making. Glitter-porn will go away if we avert our gaze and stop pumping millions into the machine. Access Hollywood, ET Tonight, People et. al. will go away if we stop supporting thier sponsors.

But... that won't happen. Will it?

[Ken LaSota]

With the appeals coming in I wonder if she will ever see jail. I would love to see get the full 45 days to shhow her she is no better then the rest of us.
Ken

[Al Wasser]

Who gives a sh## what she or ony of the other hollywood/entertainment idiots do or say.

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

Who gives a sh## what she or ony of the other hollywood/entertainment idiots do or say.

Excellent question but sadly, the answer is obvious: A whole lot of people do. And they vote, purchase stuff sold by marketing geeks, and produce children. It's scary.

However, if you want really scary on steroids, if you really want a taste of how weirdly unrealistic and dangerously frightening people can be, take a surf on over to Craig's List or to Tribe and spend a month in the one of the political forums.

I swear you will come back from there, kiss the ground, pay closer attention to your family, and hoist a flag or several for good measure.

And the notion that those people vote and produce children will leave you terrified.

[Lee DeRaud]

Maybe she will recover from what ever substance she is addicted to.You mean money? I don't think they have 12-step program for that one.

[Ken Fitzgerald]

You mean money? I don't think they have 12-step program for that one.


Oh they do have a 12 step program for that one Lee........at each step you are given a $1,000,000,000,000 and you must spend it before you get to the next step....:D

[Curt Harms]

45 days with no new footage of paris hilton. ..........



Anna Nicole Smith has been dead how long??:mad:

[Mitchell Andrus]

I swear you will come back from there, kiss the ground, pay closer attention to your family, and hoist a flag or several for good measure.

And the notion that those people vote and produce children will leave you terrified.


There are two kinds of people.... Those who are normal and those who don't understand that they aren't.

[Andrew Williams]

this is precisely why i stopped watching television years ago

[Tim Morton]

Let me take the "other" side:p

....how many times do you guys read in the paper about some guy getting pulled over for his 6th DUI and driving with a suspended license? HE doesn't go to jail, but Paris Hilton goes to jail for a probation violation and she is on probation for what? Blowing a .08? People get let off all the time for doing MUCH worse than she did. The guy driving drunk 24/7 is a whole lot mor edangerouns than PH.

[Bruce Page]

Anna Nicole Smith has been dead how long??:mad:

Curt, you might have a point there....

[David G Baker]

Many of the individuals that are let go with a slap on the wrist, or less, for high blood alcohol readings are some of our legal and political systems finest.
Anna who??? Died when???
There is a 12 step program for the rich, it starts with chapter 11.

[Ed Falis]

There are two kinds of people.... Those who are normal and those who don't understand that they aren't.

Yeah, and the problem is always figuring out which one we are. ;-)

I'm kind of on the liberal/progressive side myself, politically. But I don't really care much whether your politics conflict with mine. We can share a love of making things with our hands, the fact that we love our families, probably enjoy ourselves in similar ways day to day, and care about living as well as we can and doing the best we can by our lights in general. That makes us citizens of the same band, as far as I'm concerned. The politics are a lot more superficial than that.

As far as Paris Hilton goes, well she's just part of the marketing hypnotization that's been there as long as I can remember. She's actually a victim ("... of her senses, do you know her? Have you seen her in the distance as she stumbles by? Veteran of a race that should be over..."). Sorry, somehow Neil Young got in there somehow. Saturday night - good time to put some on the old CD player!

Anyway, enjoy guys. I just survived prostate cancer, I think, and my belly hurts, and I'm glad you all are around making mistakes and beautiful things and thinking about what we all do.

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

Anyway, enjoy guys. I just survived prostate cancer

Well Congatulations and God bless you~!! I'm a survivor too. So's my wife.

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

....how many times do you guys read in the paper about some guy getting pulled over for his 6th DUI and driving with a suspended license? HE doesn't go to jail

He does in every state where I have practiced law and every state where I am aware of the DWI laws. He goes to jail on his second conviction.

[Ed Falis]

Cliff,

I surely understand the wife part of your attribution. Would have been a lot harder. (Well, that's surely not a good enough way to say it).

It's funny about the multiple DUI arrest thing though. I'm in Mass, and I do see people coming up with multiple DUI arrests and walking. Maybe not convincted?

[Martin Shupe]

What's that German word for enjoying someone else's troubles? Schaden something, but I can't remember.

I am for stiff sentances for anyone with a DUI, increasing with each offense. They kill way too many people in this country. When they kill, they should be in jail for a long, long, time.

Her defense was basically that "her publicist didn't tell her she couldn't drive". I don't believe she is that stupid. I think she is acting stupid to try to get off easy. Well, it didn't work, and I am glad she will get a taste of what would happen to the rest of us mere mortals.

If I had been the judge, her mom would have been given one warning in court, and then I would have had the baliff drag her fancy butt off to jail for contempt. It sounds like to me she was way, way over the line.

Showing up to court late is never a good idea, either.

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

It's funny about the multiple DUI arrest thing though. I'm in Mass, and I do see people coming up with multiple DUI arrests and walking. Maybe not convincted?

Possibly not convicted. Just because an arrest was made does not mean that guilt is sure or that it necessarily follows that a conviction is proper. We never hear much about all those bad arrests and wrongful charges but there are a very great many of em.

[Andrew Williams]

from wiki:

Schadenfreude is a German expression (from Schaden: damage, harm; and Freude: joy) meaning pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune or shameful joy. The word is often capitalized, however since all German nouns (proper or common) are capitalized it should be possible to spell it lower case in English.

[Tim Morton]

He does in every state where I have practiced law and every state where I am aware of the DWI laws. He goes to jail on his second conviction.

I would hazard a guess that while some people do go to jail, especially if it involved an accident. I would bet money that most people are released with conditions. The jails are simply too overcrowded and expensive to be jailing DUI offenders.

Tell me how jailing PH is going to change anything about her? Its purely a political ploy in much the same way the boys from Duke were prosecuted.

[Lee DeRaud]

Tell me how jailing PH is going to change anything about her? Its purely a political ploy in much the same way the boys from Duke were prosecuted.The main difference is, PH was prosecuted and convicted: she was already "released with conditions". The jail time here is basically for committing "misdemeanor stupidity" by violating those conditions.

Her basic problem is a total lack of respect for the law, and not jailing her certainly wouldn't help that.

[John Shuk]

Let me take the "other" side:p

....how many times do you guys read in the paper about some guy getting pulled over for his 6th DUI and driving with a suspended license? HE doesn't go to jail, but Paris Hilton goes to jail for a probation violation and she is on probation for what? Blowing a .08? People get let off all the time for doing MUCH worse than she did. The guy driving drunk 24/7 is a whole lot mor edangerouns than PH.
Point taken Tim. How about the illegal alien who had 4 DUIs before killing a little kid?

[Tim Morton]

Point taken Tim. How about the illegal alien who had 4 DUIs before killing a little kid?
you mean the one that then sued Ford because the brakes on his car didn't stop him fast enough when he was drunk and is now living in a mansion in Bevery Hills?:eek:

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

I would hazard a guess that while some people do go to jail, especially if it involved an accident.

Whether this can occur at all depends entirely on whether judicial discretion is available. By subverting our legislative process MADD has pretty much eliminated judicial discretion with respect to DUI by having mandatories enacted. However, it is a state by state analysis since each state makes it's own laws.

One thing you almost never hear is that the combination of factors such as tire tech', crash-worthiness, seat belts, air bags, and the end of the yuppie happy hour (a seriously large factor) DWI fatalities and injuries have plummeted. What has increased ( and dramatically so) is news coverage of those that still occur.

[Mike Henderson]

Whether this can occur at all depends entirely on whether judicial discretion is available. By subverting our legislative process MADD has pretty much eliminated judicial discretion with respect to DUI by having mandatories enacted. However, it is a state by state analysis since each state makes it's own laws.

One thing you almost never hear is that the combination of factors such as tire tech', crash-worthiness, seat belts, air bags, and the end of the yuppie happy hour (a seriously large factor) DWI fatalities and injuries have plummeted. What has increased ( and dramatically so) is news coverage of those that still occur.
I'm old enough to remember when the cops would take a drunken driver home, especially in a smaller town where everyone was known. No more.

Mike

[Mark Pruitt]

Who is Paris Hilton?
Why is it so dark in here?:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Michael Gibbons]

I'm old enough to remember when the cops would take a drunken driver home, especially in a smaller town where everyone was known. No more.

Mike There's no money in that, heck why do you think the cops are on the road giving speeding tickets instead of rounding up the "good for nothins'"

[Ken Garlock]

Whether this can occur at all depends entirely on whether judicial discretion is available. By subverting our legislative process MADD has pretty much eliminated judicial discretion with respect to DUI by having mandatories enacted. However, it is a state by state analysis since each state makes it's own laws.


Rant on:
Well I for one am happy that MADD exercised their right to assemble and make their wants known to the legislative branch. The next step is for the people to demand the passing of Jessica's law in all 50 states. There is one state in particular that the judiciary believes in the con job of restorative justice, the people of that state need to demand a 20 year minimum for these stupid judges that give probation to child sex predators. And Florida need so wake up in addition.

Don't get me started on the ACLU (Anti Christian Liberty Unit.) Just call it the enemy from within.
Rant Off.

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

Well I for one am happy that MADD exercised their right to assemble and make their wants known to the legislative branch.


Met too. However, I wish that they had realized that they had accomplished their goal (which they have) instead of continuing on to create a form of de facto prohibition. They seem to me like so many Somali Child soldiers who after the wars are over have no homes to which to return, no civilian skills, and don't know anything else so they remain in the jungles and bush killing senselessly.

The whole DWI thing has over time gone from being a needed and good thing to become a feeding frenzy for politicians who want to enact feel good legislation, police who want more power and more fancy equipment and special interest groups who get to continue to manipulate billions of dollars and our society absent the voter's involvement.

[Ken Garlock]

You make a good point Cliff. I am skeptical of any group that evolves into a "religious cause." Some charities are the same, they can't just close up shop when their cause is eliminated through medical advances.

Some people seem to think that they need a cause when in reality they just need to stay home and mind their own business.

Someone once told me that they were a member of DAMM, Drunks Against Mad Mothers. :D

[Mike Ramsey]

Oh they do have a 12 step program for that one Lee........at each step you are given a $1,000,000,000,000 and you must spend it before you get to the next step....:D

We could bomb her with a new lathe! That will deplete her pockets :D .

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

Someone once told me that they were a member of DAMM, Drunks Against Mad Mothers. :D

There is a group called "Drivers Against MADD Methods" which got lampooned into Drunks Against - - - - -
http://damm-madd.com/

Not merely did they choose their name poorly but to get anything from their web site you gotta join and give $$ and unless you are motivated it's unlikely you'll want to put money up front.

Some of their positions are a tad unrealistic such as their insistence that an Alcohol sensor in a police Flashlight is a 4th amendment violation. Plain smell (what that is) as an exception to the 4th has a long and well litigated history in the courts. Other things they say on the free part of their site feel to me to be a little more angry and rage-full than they need to be.

I think they'd get more membership if they weren't so stingy.