Kapex? - Love to have it but too expensive..*sigh*

[Niels J. Larsen]

Just thought I'd tease you guys overseas a bit...

I just saw a flyer from a large tool distributor here in Denmark and they had an offer on the Kapex.

As much as I'd love to have that saw I'm pretty sure I'll never see it in my shop :(

The price on the basic kit which is basically just the saw alone was approx. $ 1600.

Ok, it's a nice saw, but whoa - that's just waaay too steep for me (and I own a lot of Festool already).

When did you say it's available in the US? :D

Cheers,
Niels

[Brice Burrell]

After the euro demand dies down, I hope by next year, I will have one.

[Per Swenson]

Said it before, gonna say it again.

I make my living in peoples homes and business's.

They are always occupied to some extant.

I don't care what its cost.

The dust collection if up to Festool standard is priceless.

Per

[Tyler Howell]

I do care what it costs....... but I want one:D :D :D

[Greg Cole]

I guess the Domino horse has been beat to death..... here we go again!

[Bob Childress]

I guess the Domino horse has been beat to death..... here we go again!

When did discussion of a tool, good or bad, become something to be avoided? :confused:

[Greg Cole]

Never mentioned avoiding anything (100% fact, re-read my previous post).:cool:
A good debate is (statment of opinion backed by facts) is not something I avoid, but but mind the fact that the definition of good is highly subjective.:D
Matter of fact, I find some of the discourse informative and almost always highly entertaining.... especially in regards to power tools from a certain German manufacturer.

[Gary Keedwell]

I guess the Domino horse has been beat to death..... here we go again!
I saw nothing derogatory in Greg's remark. A good "discussion" is always welcome.:rolleyes:

Gary K.

[David Weaver]

I don't do what Per does for a living, but I agree completely. Something that adds to the quality of life at work still adds to the quality of life. I don't like dealing with substandard tools at work when the cost avoidance isn't because of necessity.

For now, my refurb hitachi cms will do, but if I used a saw professionally in an environment where dust cleanup is hard, I'd front the dough if I had it. You never know when that cleanliness could win you word-of-mouth advertising that could bring in another job. Besides, who really likes to clean that much? I think setting up dust collection on small tools is a pain, but it's pretty minor compared to getting the shop vac behind shelves, etc.

From what we've heard, maybe it'll be a couple of hundred bucks cheaper over here - as some of the other tools are cheaper here than europe.

If you want great, you have to pay for someone to make it.

[Gary Keedwell]

Just a little "heads up" for the people who really want to get into this tool that is not here yet ( or scheduled to be here). There are at least 3 threads going on over at FOG.

[Dan Clark]

Warning tool porn! Not for children or the faint of heart:

Enjoy,

Dan.

[Greg Peterson]

This tool seemingly is marketed to those where time is money, or the financially endowed hobbyist.

Not your average hobbyist grade tool and priced accordingly.

[Gary Keedwell]

This tool seemingly is marketed to those where time is money, or the financially endowed hobbyist.

Not your average hobbyist grade tool and priced accordingly.
:) Wow, I couldn't have said it better!!!:rolleyes:
Gary K.;)

[Rick Christopherson]

This tool seemingly is marketed to those where time is money, or the financially endowed hobbyist.

Not your average hobbyist grade tool and priced accordingly.International pricing is not a good indication of what U.S. pricing will be.

[David Weaver]

This tool seemingly is marketed to those where time is money, or the financially endowed hobbyist.

Not your average hobbyist grade tool and priced accordingly.

Well stated - it could also be said that it's for the hobbyist who enjoys easy no-surprises joinery - did you see the endgrain on that cut?!!!!!!

If I was one of the financially endowed hobbyists, because I sure would enjoy that cut quality!

[Dan Clark]

I forgot that this forum takes a very aggressive position on links to other forums. I don't agree with that position, but that's their problem. Given their position, I won't be making stupid mistakes (like posting links back to this forum) in the future.

If you want to get lots more info about the Festool Kapex, go over to the Festool Owners Group forum (I'll give you one guess what the address might be) and search for "Kapex". There are links to lots of pics, videos, and detailed info about Festools in general and Kapex in particular. I've attached a lower quality pic (within the limits of this forum) of the Kapex as an example of what you'll find.

The Festool Owners Group forum is open to anyone who owns a Festool tool, who is considering one, or who might consider one in the future. In other words, pretty much anyone who has even a mild interest in these great tools.

Best regards,

Dan.

p.s., in case you think we're completely Festool oriented, I just bought a nice Dewalt DW735 planer. I'm enjoyin' it a lot. Many thanks to the folks on this forum who helped me with the decision.

[Terry Fogarty]

This tool seemingly is marketed to those where time is money, or the financially endowed hobbyist.

Not your average hobbyist grade tool and priced accordingly.


:) Wow, I couldn't have said it better!!!:rolleyes:
Gary K.;)

SO what. I dont understand why you have to continualy give it to festool products. Yes i know you own some, but sheeeeeze, give it a rest. If you have nothing possitive to add why post in the first place:(

[Gary Keedwell]

SO what. I dont understand why you have to continualy give it to festool products. Yes i know you own some, but sheeeeeze, give it a rest. If you have nothing possitive to add why post in the first place:(
:) My MY , aren't we sensitive today. Was merely agreeing with above poster. Why don't you take it up with Greg, or the many posters who agree with above statement whether they post or just read the forum?:confused:
Gary K.;)
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/images/misc/paperclip.gif (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/forumdisplay.php?f=3#) Kapex? - Love to have it but too expensive..*sigh* (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=56663) (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/images/misc/multipage.gif 1 (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=56663) 2 (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=56663&page=2))
PS. read title of this thread.

[Greg Peterson]

Terry, I have no problem with Festool or Kapex or the prices their product command (national or international pricing).

The professional craftsman that bids on a job does so knowing they can produce results in a particular time frame. And they rely on the consistency and performance of their tools in order to be competitive in their markets.

As a hobbyist, my requirements are far less stringent and in most cases, time spent setting up or adjusting equipment is not money out of my pocket. It's just lost time. As for quality of results, it is more a matter of experience and skill than tools. That is not to say that Festool or Kapex aren't excellent tools. I don't know of anyone that has a legitimate claim to the contrary.

I could no more justify the expense of Festool or Kapex for my modest, hobbyist endeavors than I could justify buying a set of Snap On tools so I can do routine maintenance on my car. In my estimation it would not be a practical expenditure.


Not trying to inflame any passions, just adding some perspective.

There are guys here that get the results they want or need with less than professional grade tools.

[Gary Keedwell]

Terry, I have no problem with Festool or Kapex or the prices their product command (national or international pricing).

The professional craftsman that bids on a job does so knowing they can produce results in a particular time frame. And they rely on the consistency and performance of their tools in order to be competitive in their markets.

As a hobbyist, my requirements are far less stringent and in most cases, time spent setting up or adjusting equipment is not money out of my pocket. It's just lost time. As for quality of results, it is more a matter of experience and skill than tools. That is not to say that Festool or Kapex aren't excellent tools. I don't know of anyone that has a legitimate claim to the contrary.

I could no more justify the expense of Festool or Kapex for my modest, hobbyist endeavors than I could justify buying a set of Snap On tools so I can do routine maintenance on my car. In my estimation it would not be a practical expenditure.


Not trying to inflame any passions, just adding some perspective.

There are guys here that get the results they want or need with less than professional grade tools.
Greg....your analogy concerning Snap On tools for routine maintenance is right on. I have nothing against Festool or any other company. I have purchased a few of their tools ( cordless drill, vacuum & sander) because I thought they were good and I am one of " the financially endowed hobbyists" you referred to.(but there were many years in my past that I struggled financially)
I have also purchased other tools from different companies because , frankly I thought that company made that particular tool better then Festool. Unless you use your tools every day, I'm afraid that paying a premium price is a little overkill, unless you are going to hand them down or have the LOYL sell them when you die.:(
When all is said and done.....I am glad that there are tools available for everybodies pocket book. That's what it is all about.....isn't it?:confused: :)
Gary K.

[Orson Carter]

To Paraphrase Sting,

"There is no monopoly on common sense,
On either side of the Festool Fence,
Garry Keedwell says "We will protect you", I don't subscribe to this point of view, and I believe that others do to,
cause Australians love Ozito too."

[Terry Fogarty]

To paraphrase Sting a bit further -

"There is no historical precedent
To put words in the mouth of GarryK
There's no such thing as a overpriced Festool
It's a lie we don't believe anymore
Mr. Garry says "we will protect you"
I don't subscribe to this point of view
Believe me when I say to you
I hope Garrys used an Ozzito too"

[Greg Millen]

I could no more justify the expense of Festool or Kapex for my modest, hobbyist endeavors than I could justify buying a set of Snap On tools so I can do routine maintenance on my car. In my estimation it would not be a practical expenditure.I guess you know a little more about these tools Greg, certainly for your own situation. I have heard they are quieter and much better with dust control, which would suit usage in noise sensitive environments or near hospitals etc. A lot of airports, shopping centres, aged peoples homes etc are continually renovating but do not like loud noises like saws.

For general hobbyists, dust control can be an issue along with the noise, so perhaps their usage will not be entirely restricted to just trade. I am not sure there are not other benefits to be had, I haven't been able to find much on them, but I am rarely left unimpressed by Festool. One thing's for sure, they won't sell like Makitas in the home market.

Greg