Internet Wood Sources

[Stephen Clem]

After paying $190 at Lowes for 20 BF of S3S Red Oak for the Cradle I made for my first project, I realized I needed a better source for lumber if I was going to be able to continue my hobby. I don't yet have a planer or jointer yet, so rough cut lumber is not yet a possibility. However, if someone could show me how much I could save , I might could convince SWMBO that a planer and jointer would SAVE money! ;) But for now, I'd like to poll the members of SMC that have purchased surfaced lumber over the internet to find a site where they were happy with the lumber they received. I liked being able to pick the best lumber at Lowes--I went through every single board they had to find the best 20 BF for the cradle-- but at double the price I'm sure a few defects would not matter. Recently, I got the 20 BF Red Oak HobbyPak from internetlumber.com for less than half the price ($87 and free shipping!) It was FAS quality, which means 83% must be usable lumber. I was a bit irritated to say the least when the lumber arrived. It came in 4 boards each 13/16" x 8 1/4" x 7'. Board 1 had a 2" round dead knot hole all the way through about 18" from end A and a 1/2" dead knot hole about 3 feet from end B. Board 2 was split down the center of one end to the edge 18" down. Board 3 had a 1" dead knot about 12" from one end. Board 4 was mostly ok except for a couple of live knots still intact. I calculated that if I cut out all the defects I would be left with about 16.5 BF which miraculously comes out 1 percent higher than the minimum requires 83% usable. Only, some of the boards would end up being short. It's still better than Lowe's thoughm because for $190 I could buy 2 Hobby Paks and just toss the defects ad still have more Oak. Sorry to rant, but I would like to know if anyone has had any positive results from ordering lumber from the net, and which sites are the best.

Or if anyone knows of a good lumber source in North Alabama (Huntsville) and surrounding areas - (from Nashville, TN to Birmingham, AL area).

[Joe Chritz]

Just a calc for the other half.

At the high price I pay for rough select red oak you would have saved $132 and change with rough sawn.

Two or three medium projects would pay for a Ridgid lunchbox planer or one of several other models.

Can help with any other suppliers for lumber except to see if anyone in the area there can help you out. You would be welcome to use mine occasionally as the need fit but I think Michigan is a tad bit of a drive for you.

Joe

[Glenn Clabo]

Try here....
http://woodfinder.com/

[Stephen Clem]

Thanks! Is a Jointer required for surfacing rough lumber or just a planer? I have a router, which is supposed to be able to edge joint, but I have trouble perfecting it. Which internet source would you recommend in the mean time? I have a problem with over researching anything I buy especially tools. It could take a while for me to pick a planer. :(

[James Phillips]

I have heard Steve Wall lumber is very good. I know there are some hardwood lumber suppliers in Birmingham, but cannot think of names right now...

[Shane Newlin]

Not sure is this is 100% accurate or not, but when buying rough lumber, I've been told that a drum sander is a good idea. I made a solid cherry entertainment center for a client, and bought all my lumber at a local sawmill. Most everything was OK for the moldings on the face, but the drawer front were still cupped after twenty trips through the planer.

[James Phillips]

Not sure is this is 100% accurate or not, but when buying rough lumber, I've been told that a drum sander is a good idea. I made a solid cherry entertainment center for a client, and bought all my lumber at a local sawmill. Most everything was OK for the moldings on the face, but the drawer front were still cupped after twenty trips through the planer.

If you mill your lumber properly you will not need a drum sander. You must remove any cupping on a jointer before using your planer

[Mark Engel]

A planer can not easily fix a cupped board. It will only make both sides of the board parallel.

It can sometimes be done if you orient the board with the center of the cup facing up and put some kind of filler under the gap, like hot melt glue, or thin strips of scrap wood, etc. The filler prevents the rollers from pressing the board flat as it passes through the cutters. The cutters will remove stock only from the high points. After a few passes you will have the top surface flat(er). Then just flip the board over and run it through normally. I have made this work a few times if the cupping wasn't bad and the board originally had enough thickness.

[Greg Cole]

One thing to bear in mind when ordering lumber for a project is to account for things such as defects. If you want perfectly clear sticks, be prepared to pay for them when & if you can find them.
I usually buy at least 10% more than I need, this will help account for defects and "operator error & or brain cramps". Nobody likes having to make a trip for one little board, or having to order some more lumber & sit and wait (especially if you are the reason for the trip & not a defect in a board!). Having extra pieces is nice for examining staining, dying & finishing options too.
I am hesitant about buying lumber sight unseen, so I mainly deal with a couple sellers I trust.
Sorry to hear about your dissapointment with your internet purchase, I too have been slightly let down in this same way. Some of these defects can be turned into character or uniqueness..... but not all. Depends on the defect and the project. LOML is all goo goo about a drawer face I made that has a HUGE knot smack dab in the middle... then again the maple is nice n curly all around the knot :rolleyes:

[Ron Blaise]

Stephen:
I sent you a PM.
Ron

[Mark Engel]

I have been able to pick up quite a few well priced pieces on ebay. Most of the regular ebay sellers will let you combine multiple auction wins into one shipment, which will usually save a few dollars.

You do have to be kind of careful though. Always take the full price, including shipping costs, to figure out your cost/BF.

[Mac Cambra]

Purchased from internetlumber.com and was very happy with both the quality and price. I bought the lumber on special, was the lumber of the month and if memory serves me it was less than $5/bf. I haven't used it yet but is beautiful, I would recommend calling in your order rather than using the online tool. This will guarantee you will get boards with dimensions you specify.

Get the jointer and planer, it opens the doors to so much more in this hobby.

[Craig D Peltier]

Theres a really cool article in finewoodworking "basic power tools", it just came out, it shows you how to build a sled to joint faces with.It works off of wood wedges , kind of the same idea you have.
A planer can not easily fix a cupped board. It will only make both sides of the board parallel.

It can sometimes be done if you orient the board with the center of the cup facing up and put some kind of filler under the gap, like hot melt glue, or thin strips of scrap wood, etc. The filler prevents the rollers from pressing the board flat as it passes through the cutters. The cutters will remove stock only from the high points. After a few passes you will have the top surface flat(er). Then just flip the board over and run it through normally. I have made this work a few times if the cupping wasn't bad and the board originally had enough thickness.

[Mark Engel]

If I had to choose between getting a planer or getting a jointer, the planer would absolutely be my first choice. To me it can be a much more versatile tool.

[Jack Dickey]

Hey Ron didnt the place that used to be in Thorsby on 31 move to Saginaw at exit 231 .. Bought from them before but cant recall the name .. Then there is the place at exit 247 in south Birmingham as well ..

[Ron Hedrick]

I realize that this is not available on the Internet, but, for those in the St. Louis MO area there is Kohler City Lumber, a little place tucked back off Hwy. 61-67. Right across the railroad tracks. The guy has a lumberyard and kiln. Deals in red and white oak, some quartersawn oak, walnut and some cherry. Not very well known.

[Brian Weick]

$190.00 -ouch! I can get Red oak RC lumber 1.75 bf = $35.00 It would have saved you $155.00 , that's in western NY. You may pay more depending on where you are located but you will definitely save yourself some money. Yes Lowe's and any other lumber yard is going to be expensive. It may be to your advantage if you plan on doing more woodwork. If you have another project like that - there's the cost of a Ridged 13" planer around $400.00 and it does a good job- depends on how serious you are about woodworking.:rolleyes:
Have a great Day
Brian

[Brian Weick]

Thanks! Is a Jointer required for surfacing rough lumber or just a planer? I have a router, which is supposed to be able to edge joint, but I have trouble perfecting it. Which internet source would you recommend in the mean time? I have a problem with over researching anything I buy especially tools. It could take a while for me to pick a planer. :(
Steve,
Jionter for the edging / planer for the surface,

[Nancy Laird]

Stephen, we buy red oak from Storey Lumber and Sawmill in Troy, Tennessee. Of course, we go to the mill and pick up what we want. The last we bought was $2 a bd.ft. for 12" or less, it was a full 1" FAS. I don't know if they do any mail order, but Troy (a little north of Dyersburg) would be a good weekend trip if you're in the market for a good supply. If you're after some nice maple, Hanafee Brothers, right around the corner from Storey, has some gorgeous stuff.

Nancy

[John Michaels]

This site has photos of everything he sells

http://www.gilmerwood.com/index.html

[Nathan Claburn]

Hey all, this is my first post on the Creek. I've been a lurker for a while, but at least I get to help on my first!

Stephen,
There's a guy/place in Elora, Tennessee called David Ashley Lumbermill. I just found him last weekend and his prices are excellent. Look'em up. If you go east on 72, then turn left on Moore's Mill, then right on Winchester. You'll go for about 30 minutes until you get to Elora nad there's a gas station. Stop in there and they'll tell you how to get there. It's pretty easy.

While you're on 72 East, keep going until you get almost into Scottsboro, there's a rock quary on the left, and on the right there's a road called Dick Lacey I think. There's a huge sign anyway called The Hardwood Center. If you want exotics they got it. THey're not cheap though.
http://www.hardwoodcenter.com

McEwen lumber is in La Vergne Tennessee. They're between Franklin and Nashville. It's a trip but they have excellent prices on S4S, S2S, etc. I bought around 90 bft of of hard maple for my workbench.

By the way, here in the town, Huntsville :), you can order lumber from "City Lumber" but it ain't cheap.

Those are the only places I"ve found so far. I'm interested if you know any others.

[fRED mCnEILL]

Surely there must be a small mill in your area. Contact Woodmizer and they will give you the name of a operator in your area.

I use a local mill in our area and just got another 400 bf for a dollar a bf(birch). At higher prices I wouldn't be able to afford to build much. I don't even look at the finished lumber at the borg(other than dimensional stuff) and only marvel at how high the prices are at the specialty places.

A little research might save you a lot of money.