Bowl Gouge

[Bernie Weishapl]

I am looking to upgrade my BB bowl gouge. Have been looking at the Ellsworth bowl gouge which is made by Henry Taylor or one of the Henry Taylor Kryo Irish grind bowl gouges. These are suppose to last 6X longer. Of course there are many others bowl gouges. I have a 3/8" and 1/2" P & N with what they call the traditional grind which I like a lot for the finishing touches on bowls. Any help or info would be appreciated. I am looking for a good, reliable bowl gouge.

[John Miliunas]

Bernie, the Crown PM 1/2" Ellsworth is my "go to" gouge of choice. Even thinking about getting a second one to keep sharp and do a quick change when turning, so I don't have to stop to sharpen it, though it does keep an edge for a good, long time. :) :cool:

[Dario Octaviano]

I only have Crown ProPM and very happy with them

If you go that way the 1/2 or 5/8 should be a great size and woodchips (Tangboy5000 / Charles) have the best price I know.

[Travis Stinson]

Bernie, I can't comment on the Henry Taylor tools, never used them.....I really like the Crown 1/2" bowl gouge with an Ellsworth grind. I have 3 of them with slightly different grind angles for each one.

[Jim Becker]

Taylor tools have a very nice reputation.

I have three Ellsworth grind gouges...two are Crowns (my original on and a PM version) and a Sorby that I've put the same grind on. The latter has a very slightly different feel because the flute doesn't exactly match the Crown, but it's close enough for being a third tool.

[Bruce Smith]

I really like my Ellsworth Bowl Gouge, I can only compare it to my other gouges which are all Hamlet ASP2060. It is my experience that the Ellsworth Gouge will not hold an edge for the lengthly period as the ASP2060 variety. I'm not complaining, mind you, only stating what I have experienced. I would purchase one again tomorrow without giving it a second thought. Good luck in choosing your next gouge.

[Pete Jordan]

Bernie,

I have the Crown Ellsworth half inch PM and I really like it. I got it from Charles at Woodschiphome.com but he appears to be out of stock. I would shoot him an email to see when he is expecting more. I know you have enough to get you by.:D :D

[Dick Strauss]

Bernie,
If you can swing it (financially speaking...pun intended), go with a Oneway Mastercut double-ended 5/8" CPM-M4 bowl gouge. It is expensive but worth every penny. It's at the top of my upgrade list!

I turn using a friend's Oneway Mastercut/Sure-Grip once a week. I can't tell you how sweet it is at preventing vibration, especially when used with Oneway's Sure-Grip handles.

http://www.oneway.ca/tools/mastercut.htm
http://www.oneway.ca/tools/handles.htm

Give one a try if you get the chance.

Dick

[Andy Hoyt]

I'm partial to the Mastercuts too.

But my Jerry Glaser is the hands down winner.

[Bill Boehme]

Just regrind your current half inch gouge -- the Ellsworth style grind is versatile enough to replace the need for your current gouge.

I also have a Jerry Glaser, but you may find it a bit aggressive and requires careful attention to where you have the bevel.

Bill

[Bernie Weishapl]

Thanks everyone. I do appreciate the info. I had looked at Ellsworth's Crown ProPM. That is the one I was leaning toward. The Taylor Kyro said they last 6X longer than any other. Not out of line for price.

Dick and Andy I have looked at the Oneway 5/8" for a long time now for the main hogging gouge. It said they take off a lot of wood fast and you don't have to go to the grinder as often either.

I had thought at one time getting the Oneway for the intial hollowing and the Ellsworth for the finish. Maybe having 2 is just throwing my money away.

Thanks again. Gives me something to think about.

[George Tokarev]

Got a 1" A2 cylindrical from these folks that fears no overhang. http://www.seriouslathe.com/ If you have a strong arm, it's a great wood hogger. A bit more of a V flute than I prefer, but takes a good edge. Ground waaaaay back into the cylinder, so lots of steel available.

[Doug Thompson]

Got a 1" A2 cylindrical from these folks that fears no overhang. http://www.seriouslathe.com/ If you have a strong arm, it's a great wood hogger.

George, I thought a 5/8 diameter was enough to rough a blank a 1 inch diameter would be a killer tool if you can control it.

[John Miliunas]

Got a 1" A2 cylindrical from these folks that fears no overhang. http://www.seriouslathe.com/ If you have a strong arm, it's a great wood hogger. A bit more of a V flute than I prefer, but takes a good edge. Ground waaaaay back into the cylinder, so lots of steel available.

Wow! I've gotten into doing some strength training in my old age. That might be good for some tricep and forearm workouts! :D So, I couldn't quite tell from the Website...Do those have the Irish grind (Ellsworth) or just a straight up bowl gouge? Also, I think their handles show only going up to a 5/8" cylinder. Is the 1" gouge tapered at the tong end or something? I'd probably opt for something a wee bit smaller than a 1" anyway! :eek: :) :cool:

[Bernie Weishapl]

Got a 1" A2 cylindrical from these folks that fears no overhang. http://www.seriouslathe.com/ If you have a strong arm, it's a great wood hogger. A bit more of a V flute than I prefer, but takes a good edge. Ground waaaaay back into the cylinder, so lots of steel available.


Holy Cow George I am not worried about the 1" gouge but that 1200 lb. lathe has to be a monster. Wonder how much that thing is going for?

[Pete Jordan]

My mentor has one of the older white ones and he calls it a Oneway on steroids. It is a monster!

[Gordon Seto]

Also, I think their handles show only going up to a 5/8" cylinder. Is the 1" gouge tapered at the tong end or something? I'd probably opt for something a wee bit smaller than a 1" anyway! :eek: :) :cool:
This is the 7/8" A-11 gouge (same tool steel as the red handle Glaser) that Doug Thompson loaned me. It is milled from round A-11 steel rod and not tiny forged tang.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o83/gbseto/26mmshallowgouge.jpg

This is a serious gouge with solid 3/4" tang in a Kelton Ultimate handle. This is not a starter gouge for beginners.

Gordon

[Christopher Zona]

Just read an interesting article tonight about kryo tools, thought I'd pass it on if you haven't seen it yet.

http://www.woodturningvideosplus.com/Steve_Russells_Lathe_Talk-lathe-talk-200702.html

[George Tokarev]

No tang. Handle is a 1" hole in a chunk of birch. Came ground neutral, which is to say pretty straight across. I've got it short Irish so I have good curve in the edge for thick hogging. I was going to do some cantilever endgrain stuff, so I got him and one of those 1/2 scrapers at the same time. Both are much more than I normally need, but sort of nice when there's no good way to do the job up close.

They were <$50 when I got mine, so the price has jumped with new management.

[Bernie Weishapl]

Just read an interesting article tonight about kryo tools, thought I'd pass it on if you haven't seen it yet.

http://www.woodturningvideosplus.com/Steve_Russells_Lathe_Talk-lathe-talk-200702.html


Thanks Christopher. That was some interesting reading. Going have to think about that one now.

[Mike Vickery]

http://www.woodchipshome.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=WC&Product_Code=242PMW&Category_Code=BG

The Crown 1/2 inch PM is my current go to gouge, for $55 at the above link it is a great value. Just my opinion but don't pay for the elsworth signature crown PM all you are paying for is them ginding the tool. For $20 I will do the grinding myself.

[Bernie Weishapl]

Thanks everyone. You have given me a lot of food for thought. Lots of ideas. When spending $30 on a tool it is pretty easy but when spending $100 up for a tool I need to think about it. Appreciate it.

[Bob Noles]

But Bernie..... it's only money and you can't take it with you :D :p ;)

[Rik Rickerson]

I can't imagine turning without my Ellsworth's Crown ProPM. An extremely versatile tool.

[Bernie Weishapl]

But Bernie..... it's only money and you can't take it with you :D :p ;)

Yea I know Bob but I was just going to ask for a loan. I just plunked down $520 last week for a turning tool. When I told the LOML that I needed a new bowl gouge I got this look over the top of her glasses. Yea you know the look. :eek: :eek: :mad:

[Bill Boehme]

Yea I know Bob but I was just going to ask for a loan. I just plunked down $520 last week for a turning tool. When I told the LOML that I needed a new bowl gouge I got this look over the top of her glasses. Yea you know the look. :eek: :eek: :mad:

It is required training for the female members of the species in giving "that look which produces fear in the male members".

Bill

[Bernie Weishapl]

It is required training for the female members of the species in giving "that look which produces fear in the male members".

Bill

Amen to that Bill. They must get trained early on cause I have been getting that look now for 39 years. :eek: :eek: Course wouldn't trade it now.:p :p