Festool Kapex

[Terry Fogarty]

Hot of the press this is the infamous Kapex :D Looks great and its 12". Love the fact you can use it hard up againsed a wall as apposed to the annoying distance needed with normal SCMS.

[Frank Snyder]

Das ist gut, ya?

It looks like the staunchion tubes are fixed...now why didn't anyone else think of that? Where's Uncle Bob...I need to place my pre-order ;).

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

Hot of the press this is the infamous Kapex

Why is it "infamous" ??

It looke like a nice chop saw.

[Frank Snyder]

Anybody here read German?


KAPEX KS 120:
alle Vorteile auf einen Blick.

http://www.festool.de/images/web/gruen-2.gif

Extra-Klasse bis ins Detail.

Gute Gründe sich für die KAPEX zu entscheiden gibt es viele: Von ihrer Qualität über die cleveren Funktionen bis hin zur herausragenden Schnittkapazität. Allen gemeinsam ist aber eines: Erstklassig bis ins Detail muss es sein - oder besser noch einzigartig.
Endecken Sie 17 gute Gründe, die auch Sie begeistern werden!
http://www.festool.de/images/bilder/news/news_4_07/kapex/alle_Vorteile_kapex.jpg
1. MMC Electronic.
Mit variabler Drezahlvorwahl, Sanftanlauf, Schnellbremse und Überlastungsschutz ermöglicht Ihnen die MMC Electronic schonendes und materialgerechtes Arbeiten. 2. FastFix Sägeblattwechsel.
Der schnelle und komfortable Sägeblattwechsel erleichtert Ihnen das schnelle Umrüsten und spart Ihnen somit Zeit und Geld. 3. Komfortable Bedienung.
Die Schutzhaubenentriegelung ist im zweistufigen Schalter integriert und ebenso wie die Sicherheits-Einschaltsperre rechts- und linkshändig bedienbar. 4. Absaugung.
Die KAPEX ist mit einem Absauganschluss und einem wirkungsvollen Spänefangtrichter ausgestattet: Die Späne werden perfekt dort abgesaugt, wo sie entstehen. 5. Millimetergenau eingestellt.
Dank der Feinjustierung kann der Sägewinkel höchst präzise von vorne eingestellt werden. So gelingen selbst komplexe Schnitte im Handumdrehen. 6. Präzises Nuten.
Mit der stufenlos einstellbaren Kapptiefenbegrenzung nuten Sie schnell und genau: Einfach Hebel einschalten, Nuttiefe mit einem Dreh festlegen und starten... 7. Sichere Werkstückanlage.
Die hohen, verschiebbaren Schnellspan-Anschläge erlauben ein präzises Anlegen in "original Wandlage" und die Befestigung eigener Anlegehilfen 8. Exakter Doppellinien-Laser.
Ob Sie links oder rechts am Anriss anlegen: Die Doppellinien zeigen Ihnen exakt die Breite des Sägeschnitts und erleichtern Ihnen so die Arbeit.
9. Robust und sicher.
Die KAPEX ist wie geschaffen für den harten Baustelleineinsatz. Dank Magnesium-Druckguss und ihrer großen Standfläche mit Gummifüßen steht sie sicher und fest. 10. Gut ablesbare Skalen.
Alle Skalen sind gut lesbar, abriebfest und ihre Zeiger justierbar. Die Drehteller-Einstellung bis 60° erfolgt einfach und schnell per Klemmhebel. 11. Leichter Transport.
Durch Transportsicherung, Auszugklemmung, Kabelaufwicklung, gut angeordnete Griffmulden und nur 21,5 kg Gewicht ist die KAPEX immer dabei. 12. Winkelschmiege inklusive.
Mit der Winkelschmiege übertragen Sie Innen- bzw. Außenwinkel fehlerlos auf Ihre KAPEX, durch einfaches Übernehmen vom Werkstück auf die Maschine. 13. Intelligente Tischhöhe.
Der Sägetisch der KAPEX ist genau so hoch wie der SYSTAINER Sys 1, so dass beim ARbeiten am Boden lange Werkstücke bequem abgestützt werden können. 14. 120 mm Schnitthöhe.
Mit Ihrer einzigartigen Sonder- Kappstellung ermöglicht Ihnen die KAPEX sogar das Sägen von bis zu 120 mm hohen Leisten - schnell, sicher und präzise. 15. Platz sparend und präzise.
Durch die innovative Doppelsäulenführung steht an der Rückseite nichts mehr über und das Sägeblatt wird noch präziser auf Position gehalten. 16. Schnelle Klemmung.
Die Neigungs-Winkeleinstellung erfolgt ganz komfortabel von vorne. Einfach Schnell-klemmung lösen, Winkel anwählen und arretieren - einfacher geht es nicht... 17. Keine Stolperfallen.
Die Kabelaufwicklung schafft Ordnung und verhindert Stolperfallen beim Transport.

[Bob Marino]

Das ist gut, ya?

It looks like the staunchion tubes are fixed...now why didn't anyone else think of that? Where's Uncle Bob...I need to place my pre-order ;).

I don't think we will be seeing it here anytime soon:( :( .

Bob

[Frank Snyder]

I don't think we will be seeing it here anytime soon:( :( .

What a buzzkill :(. I guess its back it to my hacksaw and miter box then...

[Bill Simmeth]

Anybody here read German?
KAPEX KS 120:
alle Vorteile auf einen Blick.
I'm a little rusty, but here goes:

KAPEX KS 120:
You know you want it!

And then it goes on to say something about call for the free second mortgage credit app so you can afford to buy this and a Domino in the same year.

:D

Seriously, your observation about the stunchions is spot on! How clever of them.

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In English: . MMC electronics. With variable Drezahlvorwahl, gentle approach, schnellbremse and overload protection makes possible for you MMC electronics careful and material-fair working. 2. Nearly-fixed saw blade changes. The fast and comfortable saw blade change facilitates fast reequipping for you and saves for you thus time and money. 3. Comfortable operation. The protection hood unblocking is integrated in the two-stage switch and just like the safety lock-out device right and left-handed operated. 4. Exhaust. The KAPEX is equipped with a suction connection and an effective splinter catching judge: The splinters are sucked off perfectly, where they develop. 5. Millimeter-exactly adjusted. Owing to the fine adjustment the sawing angle can be stopped most precisely from the front. Thus even complex cuts in the hand turning succeed. 6. Precise slots. With the steplessly adjustable cutting depth delimitation slots it fast and exactly: Simply levers switch on, to groove depth with a trick specify and start... 7. Secure workpiece plant. The high, adjustable high-speed splinter notices permit a precise creation in "original wall situation" and the attachment of own putting on assistance to 8. Accurate double line laser. Whether you on the left of or right at the incipient crack put on: The double lines show you accurately the width of the sawing cut and facilitate for you so the work. 9. Durably and surely. The KAPEX is as production for the hard building placing A employment. Owing to magnesium-Druckguss and its large space occupied with rubber feet it stands reliably and firmly. 10. Well readable scales. All scales are well readably, resistant to friction and their pointers adjustable. The rotation plate attitude to 60° takes place simply and fast by locking levers. 11. More easily transport. By transport lock, excerpt wedging, cable rolling, well arranged grip recesses and only 21.5 kg weight always participates the KAPEX. 12. Angle bevel including. With the angle bevel you transfer interior and/or exterior angles faultlessly to your KAPEX, by simply taking over of the workpiece to the machine. 13. Intelligent table height. The saw plate of the KAPEX is just as high as the SYSTAINER Sys 1, so that when working on the soil long workpieces can be supported comfortably. 14. 120 mm of cutting height. With your singular separating cutting position makes possible the KAPEX even sawing borders high up to 120 mm for you - fast, reliably and precisely. 15. Place saving and precisely. By the innovative double column guidance the saw blade projects position is kept still more precise at the back nothing more and. 16. Snaps wedging. The angle of inclination attitude takes place completely comfortably from the front. Simply solve high-speed wedging, select angles and do not lock - more simply are not... 17. No Stolperfallen. The cable rolling creates order and prevents Stolperfallen in the case of transport. Reply With ratio

[Frank Snyder]

Bill...very funny! :D Where's the number I can call?

A few other observations...

The dust shroud for the blade looks pretty effective...it looks like it encompasses 80% of the blade. And if Festool is running par for the course, my bet is that this will be the cleanest cutting chopsaw out there, if and when it is released over here. Probably the most expensive, too.

There also looks to be a removable miter finder gauge to the left of the base.

I wonder if it is indeed an imperial 12" blade?

I'm not crazy about the vertical fixed handle, but I can adapt.

I'll need to update my "dream tool" list now :D.

[Bill Simmeth]

Well, I for one am glad to learn that it snaps wedging and has no Stolperfallen.

Bummer about the US availability!

[Keith Starosta]

Well, I for one am glad to learn that it snaps wedging and has no Stolperfallen.

Bummer about the US availability!

Exactly what I was thinking, Bill!!! :D

[Per Swenson]

Jeez, maybe if I wrote to my congessman or something....

Hey Honey, whats the street adress for Rahway State Prison?

P.

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

Anybody here read German? Not really.

all advantages on a view.
Extra class in detail.

For the KAPEX to decide there are itself good reasons many: Of their quality over the cleveren functions up to the outstanding cut capacity. All together is however one: First-class in detail it must be - or better still singularly. Final corners it 17 good reasons, which will inspire also you!

1. MMC electronics. With variable Drezahlvorwahl, gentle approach, Schnellbremse and overload protection makes possible for you MMC electronics careful and material-fair working.

2. Nearly-fixed saw blade changes. The fast and comfortable saw blade change facilitates fast reequipping for you and saves for you thus time and money.

3. Comfortable operation. The protection hood unblocking is integrated in the two-stage switch and just like the safety lock-out device right and left-handed operated.

4. Exhaust. The KAPEX is equipped with a suction connection and an effective splinter catching judge: The splinters are sucked off perfectly, where they develop.

5. Millimeter-exactly adjusted. Owing to the fine adjustment the sawing angle can be stopped most precisely from the front. Thus even complex cuts in the hand turning succeed.

6. Precise slots. With the steplessly adjustable cutting depth delimitation slots it fast and exactly: Simply levers switch on, groove depth with a trick specify and start…

7. Secure workpiece plant. The high, adjustable high-speed splinter notices permit a precise creation in “original wall situation” and the attachment of own putting on assistance to

8. Accurate double line laser. Whether you on the left of or right at the incipient crack put on: The double lines show you accurately the width of the sawing cut and facilitate for you so the work.

9. Durably and surely. The KAPEX is as production for the hard building placing A EMPLOYMENt. Owing to Magnesium-Druckguss and its large space occupied with rubber feet it stands reliably and firmly.

10. Well readable scales. All scales are well readably, resistant to friction and their pointers adjustable. The rotation plate attitude to 60° takes place simply and fast by locking levers.

11. More easily transport. By transport lock, excerpt wedging, cable rolling, well arranged grip recesses and only 21.5 kg weight always participates the KAPEX.

12. Angle bevel including. With the angle bevel you transfer interior and/or exterior angles faultlessly to your KAPEX, by simply taking over of the workpiece to the machine.

13. Intelligent table height. The saw plate of the KAPEX is just as high as the SYSTAINER Sys 1, so that when working on the soil long workpieces can be supported comfortably.

14. 120 mm of cutting height. With your singular separating cutting position makes possible the KAPEX even sawing borders high up to 120 mm for you - fast, reliably and precisely.

15. Place saving and precisely. By the innovative double column guidance the saw blade projects position is kept still more precise at the back nothing more and.

16. Snaps wedging. The angle of inclination attitude takes place completely comfortably from the front. Simply solve high-speed wedging, select angles and lock - more simply it does not go…

17. No Stolperfallen. The cable rolling creates order and prevents Stolperfallen in the case of transport.

[Frank Snyder]

Somebody, help! I've Stolperfallen and I can't get up! :p:p:p:p:p

Those German engineers are such a tease. They just love to torture us with their superior toys.

Bill...seriously. Where is that number?

[Mike Cutler]

You guys all know that these can be configured to run in the US with aftermarket voltage and freq adapters. You don't have to wait for them, if you don't want to. Of course you won't get Uncle Bob's great service if you do.

[Jim Dailey]

I believe the word "Kapex" will loosely translates into "Ka Ching" for the Herr Doktor Fes"kewl"... ;)

jim

[Pete Brown]

Das ist gut, ya?

It looks like the staunchion tubes are fixed...now why didn't anyone else think of that? Where's Uncle Bob...I need to place my pre-order ;).

Isn't that just how Hitachi does it with their ugly alien vs predator saw?

Pete

[Douglas Robinson]

I work for a German-based company. According to one of my coworkers, "Stolperfallen" is a trap or ambush. Does that help at all. May be the ad is a stolperfallen.

Doug

[Pete Brown]

8. Accurate double line laser. Whether you on the left of or right at the incipient crack put on: The double lines show you accurately the width of the sawing cut and facilitate for you so the work.


That's almost poetic. :)

Looks like a very nice SCMS. If it is anything like the other Festool equipment, it will be lightyears ahead of most of our tools here in terms of quality and thoughtfulness.

Pete

[Per Swenson]

Seriously Folks,

My congressman has not been indicted yet.

But if this saw can allow me dust collection in a SCMS

that is anything close to their other tools.

I will take two.

I am not joking. I have 3 now.

I rotate em from job to job.

But the ability to go into someones house, yours for example,

and work dust free, is more valuable in the customer's mind

then any skill level real or perceived.



Per

[Craig Feuerzeig]

Jeez, maybe if I wrote to my congessman or something....

Hey Honey, whats the street adress for Rahway State Prison?

P.


:D :D

maybe it's a Jersey thing...but that's hilarious.

[Lou Ferrarini]

I think Hitachi beat them out on the zero back clearance. I have this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-C12LSH-12-Inch-Sliding-Compound/dp/B0009MGOSG/sr=1-6/qid=1170449781/ref=sr_1_6/104-9580542-3987932?ie=UTF8&s=hi

Works great and probably paid one third of what festool will ask when it does come here.

[Noah Katz]

If that's a 12" blade that is one big miter saw.

But it has to be if it can cut 5" deep.

[Terry Fogarty]

Why is it "infamous" ??

.

Cliff;) for months and months now it has been source or great speculation on other forums as to what the Kapex acualiy is. I know others on this site knew but were bound by Herr Doktors Cone of Silence, but last night was the first time that i came across the fact it was a SCMS and got to see a picture :D .

[Pete Brown]

That has to be a 10" or 8" blade. If that is 12" then that saw will take up my whole shop.

Most shop tools are smaller in europe, so to them "large capacity" might mean 10"

Pete

[Pete Brown]

That has to be a 10" or 8" blade. If that is 12" then that saw will take up my whole shop.
Most shop tools are smaller in europe, so to them "large capacity" might mean 10"
Pete

Scratch that. I just looked at a photo of the Bosch 12" SCMS and the size looks similar; so this could very well be around 12" (or metric equiv)

I'd be curious to know if we could use US blades or if you'd have to use Festool blades like you do with their other saws.

Pete

[Bob Marino]

Scratch that. I just looked at a photo of the Bosch 12" SCMS and the size looks similar; so this could very well be around 12" (or metric equiv)

I'd be curious to know if we could use US blades or if you'd have to use Festool blades like you do with their other saws.

Pete

My initial guess would be Festool blades.

Bob

[Noah Katz]

"That has to be a 10" or 8" blade."

To cut 5" deep, a 10" blade would have to be buried to the center of a 10" blade.

[Jeff Magnus]

In looking at the picture of the Kapex, I would say the saw is 10". The relation between the saw and guy carrying it seems to lend to it being more compact. Unless, ofcourse, that guy is a big German;)

[Joe Jensen]

Here is a link to large KAPEX photos on a Festool site...joe

http://www.festool.de/images/zip.gif (http://www.festool.de/images/bilder/pressezip/KAPEX.zip) Download Bild/Text (ca. 7,5 MB)

Click the folder icon to download 18 high rez pics.

[Noel Hegan]

Saw is released in Europe in a few weeks:

Spec -
260mm (just over 10") blade dia.
Cutting capacity - 90/90 = 305x88, 90/45 = 215x88, 45/45 = 215x55 left, 215x35 right
Mitre capacity 50 deg left, 60 deg right
Dual laser line
Weight 21.5kg


Or watch the movie (and notice the absence of dust.....)
http://www.festool.de/ipt_domino/

[Doug Shepard]

I work for a German-based company. According to one of my coworkers, "Stolperfallen" is a trap or ambush. Does that help at all. May be the ad is a stolperfallen.

Doug

stolpern = stumble or trip. I think the whole word would best be translated as Trip Hazards the way they're using it.

[Roy Clarke]

.................
Bummer about the US availability!

:D:D:D:D About time the rest of the world had something the US wants instead of you always having almost everything while we have to make do.;)

[Rob Bodenschatz]

I think Hitachi beat them out on the zero back clearance. I have this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-C12LSH-12-Inch-Sliding-Compound/dp/B0009MGOSG/sr=1-6/qid=1170449781/ref=sr_1_6/104-9580542-3987932?ie=UTF8&s=hi

Works great and probably paid one third of what festool will ask when it does come here.
That's the one I have.

Frankly, I'm glad we won't see the Festool here any time soon. I don't need the temptation right now.

[Pete Brown]

Man, I hate that that saw looks so good. I wonder when "no time soon" will actually come up

Pete

[Pete Brown]

Here is a link to large KAPEX photos on a Festool site...joe

http://www.festool.de/images/zip.gif (http://www.festool.de/images/bilder/pressezip/KAPEX.zip) Download Bild/Text (ca. 7,5 MB)

Click the folder icon to download 18 high rez pics.

Hey, that angle setting tool is great! It looks like it automatically splits the difference so you can cut the joint properly.

Pete

[Pete Brown]

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever taken a UK/EU Festool tool, had it shipped here (either directly or via a middle man) and put a US cord on it? I'm not recommending that for this, but if one really wanted one that seems a way to get one.

As an aside, looks liek the Domino release date has been bumped up two days to the 30th
http://www.festoolusa.com/whats_new_details.aspx?docid=582

Pete

[sascha gast]

ok, guys, I gotta say your german sucks:D

the word "stolperfallen" in regards to the cable means

the way the cable is put away on the tool, there is just no way you can fall on your you know what.

it seems that the cable either retracts automaticaly or something similar, it just won't get in your way.


Alles klar????

[Greg Koch]

Here's a pdf brochure... very detailed, in English!:D

Blade is 10 1/4" (260mm)

http://www.festool.net/images/artikel/Download_Brochure_KAPEX.pdf

[Hans Braul]

Pretty impressive. It's got me salivating. Any idea what the price point for this puppy will be?

[Bernhard Lampert]

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever taken a UK/EU Festool tool, had it shipped here (either directly or via a middle man) and put a US cord on it? I'm not recommending that for this, but if one really wanted one that seems a way to get one.

As an aside, looks liek the Domino release date has been bumped up two days to the 30th
http://www.festoolusa.com/whats_new_details.aspx?docid=582

Pete

I have a couple of had tools I brought over from Germany. My uncle owned a custom furniture shop, so after his retirement I inherited some tools.
In general there is no problem running the tools on 220V here. The only issue is that the tools will turn about 20% faster (AC over there is 60Hz vs 50Hz in the US), but I have not experienced any problem. The tools are smallish handtools such as biscuit jointer, duo doweler and Adler lipping planer.
Buying tools over there and shipping is prohibitively expensive, even the new Fest Domino is cheaper here than over there. VAT (can only be recovered if amount is above $2,500 in aggregate), shipping cost and restricitions after 9/11, low dollar exchange rate vs Euro make it too expensive.
Cheers,
Bernhard

[Randal Stevenson]

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever taken a UK/EU Festool tool, had it shipped here (either directly or via a middle man) and put a US cord on it? I'm not recommending that for this, but if one really wanted one that seems a way to get one.

As an aside, looks liek the Domino release date has been bumped up two days to the 30th
http://www.festoolusa.com/whats_new_details.aspx?docid=582

Pete

Besides the voltage differences, aren't they using a different phase/hertz (unsure of proper term)?

[Bob Marino]

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever taken a UK/EU Festool tool, had it shipped here (either directly or via a middle man) and put a US cord on it? I'm not recommending that for this, but if one really wanted one that seems a way to get one.

As an aside, looks liek the Domino release date has been bumped up two days to the 30th
http://www.festoolusa.com/whats_new_details.aspx?docid=582

Pete
Pete,

It's as Bernhard stated. I went through some "back channels" in Europe to get my Domino last summer. Switched the plug and works well, but it is an expensive way to go.

Bob

[Pete Brown]

Here's a pdf brochure... very detailed, in English!:D

Blade is 10 1/4" (260mm)

http://www.festool.net/images/artikel/Download_Brochure_KAPEX.pdf


I'll have to read through that brochure. Someone else mentioned that it can but something 5" thick. You can't do that with a 10 1/4" blade.

Edit: I just ran through it and I see it has a max cutting depth of 120mm, which is about 4" IIRC.

[Pete Brown]

Thanks guys. I suspect shipping/tax etc. made little economic sense.

I was more curious to see if it was technically possible. So when Festool sells to the US, I take it they adjust the motors or something to account for the difference in hz?

Pete

[Curt Harms]

Jeez, maybe if I wrote to my congessman or something....

Hey Honey, whats the street adress for Rahway State Prison?

P.

Hi Per

You might have better luck with the Feds, Leavenworth or someplace like dat:D

[Paul Johnstone]

... 17. No Stolperfallen. The cable rolling creates order and prevents Stolperfallen in the case of transport. Reply With ratio

I know you guys are laughing at this.. My German is rusty, but Stolperfallen means to trip/fall..
So my guess is that the sentence means that the " Kabelaufwicklung" (which I doubt means 'cable') keeps everything together so that when you carry it, your stuff doesn't fall all over the place.

I don't know for sure what Kabelaufwicklung means, but my guess it is the carrying case. It doesn't mean cable.. I am fairly certain of that.

EDIT: maybe the Kabelaufwicklung is a latch that keeps the saw in a closed position, to stop the saw from opening when carried..

[Christian Aufreiter]

I know you guys are laughing at this.. My German is rusty, but Stolperfallen means to trip/fall..
So my guess is that the sentence means that the " Kabelaufwicklung" (which I doubt means 'cable') keeps everything together so that when you carry it, your stuff doesn't fall all over the place.

I don't know for sure what Kabelaufwicklung means, but my guess it is the carrying case. It doesn't mean cable.. I am fairly certain of that.

EDIT: maybe the Kabelaufwicklung is a latch that keeps the saw in a closed position, to stop the saw from opening when carried..

As far as I know there's no English term for "Kabelaufwicklung" so lets try to find a translation step by step. "Kabel" actually does mean "cable" or "cord". "Aufwicklung" is the noun to "aufwickeln" (verb) that could be translated as "to wrap around" or "to wind up".
Personally, I'd call "Kabelaufwicklung" "onboard cord storage" or "cord holder" in English. From what I can tell from the pictures, the Kapex’ cord holder - although differently shaped - is rather similar to the cord holder the Festool CT vacs are equipped with. In other words, there's no auto-retraction feature.

Hope this helps,

Christian

[Paul Johnstone]

As far as I know there's no English term for "Kabelaufwicklung" so lets try to find a translation step by step. "Kabel" actually does mean "cable" or "cord". "Aufwicklung" is the noun to "aufwickeln" (verb) that could be translated as "to wrap around" or "to wind up".
Personally, I'd call "Kabelaufwicklung" "onboard cord storage" or "cord holder" in English. From what I can tell from the pictures, the Kapex’ cord holder - although differently shaped - is rather similar to the cord holder the Festool CT vacs are equipped with. In other words, there's no auto-retraction feature.

Hope this helps,

Christian

Good call.. I told you my German was very rusty.. What you say makes sense..