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Mark Singer
11-12-2006, 12:00 PM
Here is my new saw the SawStop.... it seems very nice and well made right out of the box as they say. I was expecting a coupon for Nathan's hot dogs...not included;)

Intial cuts are good...Board Buddies are on the way and my Powermatic 66 is now in another shop probably working harder than ever!

Joe Mioux
11-12-2006, 12:08 PM
Mark;
Congratulations on the new saw! I know you like Board Buddies and have noticed on the old saw you used only one roller stop. Some people dislike board buddies. Why do you like them as opposed to some other anti-kickback device.

Thanks Joe

Mark Singer
11-12-2006, 12:21 PM
Mark;
Congratulations on the new saw! I know you like Board Buddies and have noticed on the old saw you used only one roller stop. Some people dislike board buddies. Why do you like them as opposed to some other anti-kickback device.

Thanks Joe

Joe,
They are both a safety feature and add accuracy. They keep the workpiece flat on the table....thinner pieces can lift up and make dado's and miters vary in depth. They also keep the boarg against the fence. I use only the roller behind the blade for most work , so I can push through...adding the front roller is great for dado's and shallow cuts that need downward pressure. The rollers only turn one way so kick back is greatly reduced. Aso short pieces that can easily fly back are trapped as soom as the front edge enters the roller. I think if used properly they are indispensible!

Jim Becker
11-12-2006, 12:22 PM
Congrats on the new saw, Mark.

Bartee Lamar
11-12-2006, 12:28 PM
What options did you get ?

The space to the left of the blade looks really wide, which I would REALLY like to have on my saw.

Someday I will have one...

thanks for sharing, as you always do...

Michael Handrinos
11-12-2006, 12:50 PM
Hey Mark.

Congrats on the new saw. I was looking at one in the local woodcraft store. Very nice piece of machinery. BTW. I enjo your tutorials and projects.


Mike

Walt Caza
11-12-2006, 1:02 PM
Hi Mark,
Congratulations on a beautiful shop acquisition, and welcome to the
SawStop club! Just remember to keep your blade to brake gap nice and
tight for fastest stopping in the event of a brake trigger.
(hand rotate blade to ensure no tooth contact before running)

I hope you enjoy yours as much as I am enjoying mine!
Be well,
Walt

ps I see you have your miter guage put away, the guard can be stored
on the left-hand side of the cabinet, out of the way when not in use...
:)

Ellen Benkin
11-12-2006, 1:22 PM
I'm glad a pro has one and is telling others about it so we can put to rest all the spurious objections to it. I used one in a class last summer and was very pleased with the saw and the fence. The school, which has hundreds of students using the equipment, had no problems with the saw and, thankfully, never needed the saw to stop suddenly.

Bruce Shiverdecker
11-12-2006, 1:28 PM
I know you made a GOOD and SMART decision, Mark. I should do hte same thing, but there is no way it get into my basement shop. Seeing the demonstrations first hand HAVE made me MUCH more cautious around my saw!

Bruce

glenn bradley
11-12-2006, 1:36 PM
A well made tool is a thing of beauty. Good thing we're on line so you don't have to see me drooling. Congrats! Speaking of things of beauty, your work while way beyond my current capabilities is always inspiring and I appreciate the details and photos you post.

Thanks and enjoy!

Mark Singer
11-12-2006, 1:48 PM
In Time I will be able to judge the merits of the saw....for now it seems excellent! I have the basic machine which is 3 HP long extension table...dado cartridge. Set up was easy the electrical box is tough since there are no conductor blocks that accept the wire ends....I found some terminal ends and crimped them on and was running,. Sawdust collection is excellent so far!

John Hedges
11-12-2006, 1:50 PM
I was expecting a coupon for Nathan's hot dogs...not included;)

They sent the hot dogs to my house by mistake, so I'll tell you what. I'll send you the hotdogs and you send me the new saw and we'll call it even :p

Very Nice saw, enjoy

Mark Singer
11-12-2006, 2:20 PM
They sent the hot dogs to my house by mistake, so I'll tell you what. I'll send you the hotdogs and you send me the new saw and we'll call it even :p

Very Nice saw, enjoy

Here you go! Now please send the saw:confused:

http://www.madison.com/images/articles/tct/2005/08/30/18560_thumb.jpg

John Leslie
11-12-2006, 2:23 PM
Bruce,

For what it is worth, I have a basement shop and managed to manhandle a saw stop down. I removed the top and extensions. I then removed the motor, which is pretty simple if somewhat awkward. That leaves the cabinet w/ trunion. For that I hired 2 local guys to carry it down the stairs. The 2 of them just carried it, no dolly required. The hardest part is that the cabinet is top-heavy.

- John

John Fry
11-12-2006, 2:40 PM
Congrats Mark,

What is your initial evaluation of their fence? How is its accuracy? Is the parallelism to the blade adjustable while the fence is still on the saw, or do you need to remove it like most Beis clones? Was everything pretty well aligned, (fence and saw), or did you need to do some tweaking?

Thanks! Have fun and keep us posted.

John Miliunas
11-12-2006, 7:31 PM
Congrats on the new saw, Mark! We've got ours setup just a bit inside the front door of the store and there's constantly a drool puddle immediately in front of it, much of which is mine! :o I helped put our demo unit together and it does appear to be one tough unit! Enjoy. :) :cool:

Noah Katz
11-12-2006, 7:45 PM
If you don't mind my asking, are you guys paying MSRP or are the street prices lower?

Thanks

Mark Singer
11-12-2006, 8:08 PM
Congrats Mark,

What is your initial evaluation of their fence? How is its accuracy? Is the parallelism to the blade adjustable while the fence is still on the saw, or do you need to remove it like most Beis clones? Was everything pretty well aligned, (fence and saw), or did you need to do some tweaking?

Thanks! Have fun and keep us posted.

John,
The fence is a very good clone. Plumb is adjusted on....angle is adjusted off...flip and allen wrench...
The stupid miter slots are in different locations than the powermatic...so...all 3 of my sleds need to be altered or made again. The saw was really well tuned and comes complete. The insert was cut slightly off and they are sending another. The end plastic cap on the fence main tube was cracked and they are sending that too..

Mark Singer
11-12-2006, 8:10 PM
If you don't mind my asking, are you guys paying MSRP or are the street prices lower?

Thanks

I thought they should just give me one because I am a nice guy and all.....:rolleyes: But like Festool....it is full price!

Tom Ruflin
11-12-2006, 8:19 PM
Mark, congrats again on the new saw. I really like mine. I will be waiting on your review after you have used it for a while. I'm just a weekend hobbiest so mine does'nt see much use, but when it does it's a real pleasure to use.

Alan Turner
11-12-2006, 8:54 PM
Congrats, mark. Safe sawing.

Bruce Page
11-12-2006, 9:41 PM
Congratulations Mark, great TS. Not my favorite color for a woodworking tool, but an excellent machine!

lou sansone
11-12-2006, 9:46 PM
congrats on the saw. Folks love them and they are safe. best wishes with the new saw

lou

Joe Mioux
11-12-2006, 11:45 PM
Have you seen Sawstops website. New equipment will include a chop saw and bandsaw using this technology.

Pretty cool.....

Joe

Mark Singer
11-13-2006, 12:27 AM
Have you seen Sawstops website. New equipment will include a chop saw and bandsaw using this technology.

Pretty cool.....

Joe

Wait Till you see my "ChiselStop" .....upon human contact it becomes soft and safe. The secret is "ARGAIV" which is viagra spelled backwards:confused:

Chuck Wood
11-13-2006, 12:49 AM
Mark,

Congrats on the new saw!!!! Looks great!

I know what I'm asking Santa for this year! LOL:D

Bart Leetch
11-13-2006, 1:09 AM
Congratulations Mark you aught to be Singing now.

The new tune is "All great work starts with love & a Saw-Stop Cabinet-Saw .... then it is no longer work" :D

John Renzetti
11-13-2006, 8:40 AM
hi Mark, Congratulations on the sawstop. I noticed that it didn't take you long to get the outfeed table all made up and grooved for the crosscut slides. I guess you weren't anxioux or impatient or anything to get it set up and running. :)
take care
John

Mark Singer
11-13-2006, 8:49 AM
hi Mark, Congratulations on the sawstop. I noticed that it didn't take you long to get the outfeed table all made up and grooved for the crosscut slides. I guess you weren't anxioux or impatient or anything to get it set up and running. :)
take care
John

John,
You won't believe this. I grooved my old table for the slots. It had glue and finish and pizza sauce, even a little cheese on it....it looked bad! The SawStop is about 5/16" taller than the Powermatic, so I shimmed up the old table to flush. It was all perfect and then I realized.....like a dummy the 1" thick MDF top had another side....:confused: So I unscrewed it all and flipped it over and did it all over again! I am dumb......pause.....pause.....Yes! :rolleyes:

Jim Becker
11-13-2006, 8:50 AM
Com'on John...new toy in the shop...nobody's gonna rest until it's nicely up and running!

John Renzetti
11-13-2006, 9:11 AM
Com'on John...new toy in the shop...nobody's gonna rest until it's nicely up and running!


hi Jim, I agree. I have done the same thing as Mark and most likely everybody here. It doesn't matter if the tool is a big stationary one or a small laminate trimmer. It's got to be fired up and used. Forget dinner, the time, the weather,,,
But Mark, I really think the orignal side with the glue, pizza sauce and cheese adds character and color to the whole setup. And yes I've done a lot of things like you have described with the MDF top. The worst though is when it is the wife or kids, that will come up and say, "why did you do all that, when you could have just done this." :)
take care,
John

Bob Swenson
11-13-2006, 10:37 AM
Mark-- I am very interested in your “CHISELSTOP” and would like to be one of the first to order one, but first I have a few questions.
I currently have an average size tool but I would like a bigger one. How many sizes do they come in?
How long do you have to walk around with a limp chisel after you touch a little flesh?
What do you do to get it back up to Rockwell 60?
Do they rust much?
How often can you use it before it gets dull?
Are you going to lobby the Gov. to require that every one to have one?
Do they come in plane unmarked packages?

Bob:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Jim Becker
11-13-2006, 10:58 AM
'Careful, folks...getting close to the "line" with the imagry...

Jim
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Ben Roman
11-13-2006, 10:59 AM
The Outfeed Table is making me Drool !!!! Congrats That is on the list of things to get when I build my dream shop.

Ben

Mark Singer
11-13-2006, 11:31 AM
Bob, Jim is correct.... still in the design stages and I cannot discuss until the patent is active

Rennie Heuer
11-13-2006, 11:44 AM
Mark,

Congratulations. We'll be waiting for the rave reviews and insight. Let's pray you never have the opportunity to 'test' the safety features and all your time on the saw is productive and full of pleasure!

John Gornall
11-13-2006, 11:58 AM
Mark,

While you're setting up a new saw maybe it's time to lose the sleds and add a slider.

Next week I'm cutting up my Unisaw and adding a Jessem.

Jerry Strojny
11-13-2006, 12:04 PM
Nice aquisition Mark. I remember when these first came out. They've come a long way. It's great to have that added level of safety in the shop.

BTW - Love your tutorials, I have them all in my favorites folder.