Help Me ID these 2 Trees (Lots of Pics)

[Mark Hoeting]

Good evening.

If you are like me, my interest in wood seems to cover all aspects, from standing timber to finished furniture.

There are two trees here close to our home I am attempting to identify, but cannot seem to accurately id. I use the Nat'l Audobon Society field guide for tree identification, but cannot find any description close to this. Just FYI, we are in northeastern arkansas.
The leaves are starting to turn here, so this makes the task that much more difficult.

Here is tree #1. It is growing at almost a 45 degree angle to the ground, not sure why except a couple of heavy snows likely got it when it was younger. It has a cherry-like bark, but not leaves like any cherry. Trunk is about 20-24" at its lowest/widest point. Here are a few pics.
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43d0da6czdedcabd6/ba9bre2/__sr_/22fbre2.jpg?phgTWTFBfkYBYBux

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43d0da6czdedcabd6/ba9bre2/__sr_/6733re2.jpg?phgTWTFB2lnF6rj6

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43d0da6czdedcabd6/ba9bre2/__sr_/2eacre2.jpg?phgTWTFBiASwCIQo

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43d0da6czdedcabd6/ba9bre2/__sr_/3320re2.jpg?phgTWTFByaNKIUeu

And here is tree #2. I was at first thinking this was some sort of elm, but the leaf arrangment doesnt match anything I can ID. The bark should be readily identifiable, but i could not place it.

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43d0da6czdedcabd6/ba9bre2/__sr_/5c46re2.jpg?phIjWTFBn.l8RuTT

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43d0da6czdedcabd6/ba9bre2/__sr_/5e08re2.jpg?phIjWTFB6yoyWImL

http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43d0da6czdedcabd6/ba9bre2/__sr_/81c8re2.jpg?phIjWTFBkUkn6rEl

Any thoughts or assistance on this would be GREATLY appreciated.

Mark

ps: if you can give me guidance in actually INCLUDING the pics in the message, I would be most appreciative, since I obviously cannot get it to work.....

[Art Mulder]

Mark,
Yahoo is notorious for providing dynamic URLs for their resources - They change. I cannot see any of the first set of URL's you provide.

[Nancy Laird]

ps: if you can give me guidance in actually INCLUDING the pics in the message, I would be most appreciative, since I obviously cannot get it to work.....

Mark, go to:

http://workingwoods.com/workingwoods/smc%20tutorials/Posting%20Pictures%20on%20SMC.htm for a tutorial on resizing and posting--complete with screens. Vaughn McMillan wrote this a while back. It's about 20 pages printed out, but it works like a champ.

Nancy

[Mark Hoeting]

let me get them uploaded to a new location with static paths and then i will repost the message. apologies for the confusion.

Mark

[Mark Hoeting]

Ok, here is the second attempt. Again, my apologies on the confusion here.

Good evening.

If you are like me, my interest in wood seems to cover all aspects, from standing timber to finished furniture.

There are two trees here close to our home I am attempting to identify, but cannot seem to accurately id. I use the Nat'l Audobon Society field guide for tree identification, but cannot find any description close to this. Just FYI, we are in northeastern arkansas.
The leaves are starting to turn here, so this makes the task that much more difficult.

Here is tree #1. It is growing at almost a 45 degree angle to the ground, not sure why except a couple of heavy snows likely got it when it was younger. It has a cherry-like bark, but not leaves like any cherry. Trunk is about 20-24" at its lowest/widest point. Here are a few pics.
http://www.astate.edu/executive/cio/t11.jpg

http://www.astate.edu/executive/cio/t12.jpg

http://www.astate.edu/executive/cio/t13.jpg

http://www.astate.edu/executive/cio/t17.jpg
And here is tree #2. I was at first thinking this was some sort of elm, but the leaf arrangment doesnt match anything I can ID. The bark should be readily identifiable, but i could not place it.

http://www.astate.edu/executive/cio/t21.jpg

http://www.astate.edu/executive/cio/t22.jpg

http://www.astate.edu/executive/cio/t23.jpg


Any thoughts or assistance on this would be GREATLY appreciated.

Mark

[Jack Hutchinson]

Mark - where are you? That might help.

Looks like the first one has poison ivy climbing it? Is it black birch?

[David Rose]

Yup, poison ivy for sure! And the tree may be hackberry with grapevine to complement the poison ivy.

David

[Ken Fitzgerald]

The leaves on the first one sure remind me of the old English walnut I had in my backyard. Did you have any nuts around this tree?

[jonathan snyder]

Not sure what they are, but the first one appears to have a pretty healthy poison ivy vine growing up it!

Jonathan

[Ron Blaise]

That the first is some sort of Cherry and the second looks like a Hack-berry. I had several Hack-berry's and yours look just like them to me.
If the first is a Black Cherry then you have a good candidate for cutting. Hack-berry wood is white, not much good for anything. Black Cherry wood has a very sweet, fruity smell when fresh cut. Just my two cents.

[Frank Fusco]

When you get them cut, de-poison ivied, and anchorsealed, call me. I'll come take excess off your hands. ;)

[Randy Meijer]

Why don't you delete the first post so folks don't waste time looking at links that don't work?? Thanks.

[Martin Shupe]

The first tree is probably in the Rosaceae family, as indicated by the horizontal striations on the bark. The vine growing on the tree is certainly Toxicodendron radicans, i.e. poision ivy.

The second tree is positively hackberry or sugarberry, Celtis laevigata. The cork like bark projections and classic leaf veination are dead give-aways.

If the first tree has a rust colored "fuzz" on the back of the leaves near the base of the petiole, it might be cherry. Another possibility is a variety of wild plum.

In identifying trees, it helps to see pics of the bark, leaves, fruit, and twigs, if at all possible. Location is also important, not just region of the country, but also site. In other words, is it a wet, swampy site? Dry, upland site? or maybe a moist, well-drained site? These are important clues for the tree detective.

It seems like just yesterday, I was dragging my students through the woods of East Texas, in search of test trees.

[Martin Shupe]

Why don't you delete the first post so folks don't waste time looking at links that don't work?? Thanks.

Randy, I am not sure he can do that. I don't think you can delete a post that has started a thread. Perhaps an edit or a little help from our hard working friendly moderators.

[Nick Roper]

I agree with Ron on the cherry. I'm getting ready to cut down it's sister next weekend. I don't know about the second but I've probably plowed over a thousad of them with assorted military vehicles in my time. I don't ever recall a very large one.

[Mark Hoeting]

Why don't you delete the first post so folks don't waste time looking at links that don't work?? Thanks.

Randy,

Once the thread has been replied to, you cannot go back and delete the original post.

Thanks though, and my apologies for the undue stress this has caused you..... I was not aware that yahoo uses a dynamic link on images. I usually prefer photobucket, but pb had a lot of problems this weekend that kept people from uploading images.

Mark