Shop Made Panel Clamps

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

First off, I did not know if I should put this thread here or over at the Neander side, but I decided here, as this kind of clamp is used by ALL woodworkers (I would think).

I'm looking for some ideas for making up some clamps to keep panel glue ups flat and tight when gluing.

I do not use biscuits.

Here are a few that I've found.....

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This is the Lee Valley set up, I think it woud work fairly well, but they are pricey (sorry Robin!) I think I could make some of these, so the basic design is an option.

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A very basic wedge clamp, but I'd worry about the boards cupping...?

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These are a kit you buy and use your own wood, I have seen a variation on these, that I was thinking of using.

I anyone else has an idea or two, or can point me to something else on the web, please do!

Cheers!

[David Rose]

Stu,

I like your idea (the middle one), but what would keep the whole panel from cupping? One advantage to the Lee Valley system is that it useds 2x4s on edge to resist this. That may be what you meant by what you said. I read it as individual boards, which will warp if they want with most systems.

Why not use the "peg system" on thicker stock?

David, who has been putting off the Lee Valley "way"

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Hi David, yeah that is what I mean, I guess if the wood was thick enough, it should not cup, but on thinner stock, it might?

I saw another one, I'm trying to remember where, that had a top and bottom piece of wood, and some grooves in it for some hooks of a sort.......aarrrggghh :mad: darn brain, wish it would work.... :rolleyes: :D

Cheers!

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

aahhhh.......... :)

Found it, my buddy Wongo over at the Oz WW forum (The ubeautDOTcomDOTau Guys) I'll attach a few pics here.

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I think this looks like it would work well, but I have a few mods in mind.......

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

For one, I'd use some thicker metal, and I was thinking of using hooks and grooves, instead of bolts, as it would be faster, I think, but maybe I'm over thinking it.........?

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One of the things brought up over at the Oz forum was making the bottoms of the wooden clamp pieces have a slight radius, this seems like a good idea, and could be accomplished by using a router and a template (Easier to make the template exact than trying to make the wooden pieces all exactly the same..?).

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Here is a pic about the tension on the wood applied by the clamp, one camp thinks that the radiused surface is not needed, the other thinks it is.

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The clamps in use, Wongo likes them, and is happy with his effort.

Now about my mods..............(I'll have to make some pics, so I'll get back to you all ;) )

[David Rose]

Yeah, it looks that might pull panels flat. I like that idea. OK, modify away. Then post pics. Remember "no pics, it didn't happen". :D

I usually end up laying a straight edge across my panel, then clamping where needed with deep throat clamps. This idea looks better.

David

[Hans Braul]

Stu, I like it, and your post is timely. I was thinking of making just such a thing but I hadn't really thought it through yet. Looking forward to seeing how your mods work!

Cheers
Hans

[tod evans]

stu, use either angle iron or square tubing and forget about the crown....02 tod

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

stu, use either angle iron or square tubing and forget about the crown....02 tod

Gee, I could use my MIG too....... :rolleyes: :D

Better than wood?

Cheaper by far as well...... Hmm, you got me thinking now, all steel, paint them, as steel rusts, and the oil on it leaves marks...... Hmmmm indeed.

Dang it Tod, you've gone and steered me in the right direction yet again! :D

[Jim Becker]

Stu, the whole principle of the Bowclamp (see the SMC manufacturer's forum for the same) is the slightly curved face which is illustrated in a picture in your post. One of the advantages of Craig's version is the precision of the slight curve on the surface which he does with CNC technology so you get even clamping. The logistics cost for you, however, might be prohibitive...

[Rodney Randal]

Has anyone seen or built the ones in Woodsmith, #164, pg. 6? I was thinking about building some of these, as they look like they would be very easy to place the pressure where it is needed.

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Stu, the whole principle of the Bowclamp (see the SMC manufacturer's forum for the same) is the slightly curved face which is illustrated in a picture in your post. One of the advantages of Craig's version is the precision of the slight curve on the surface which he does with CNC technology so you get even clamping. The logistics cost for you, however, might be prohibitive...

I've had a VERY good look at the Bowclamps, brilliant idea, but yeah, shipping them would be killer.

Cheers!

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

OK, I got busy tonight, after thinking on this for a few days.

Took me about an hour, including some head scratching and digging for stock..........

I cut two pieces of 1" tube about 26" long, I then drilled some holes in them....

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Sorry about the quality of the pics, cell phone again :o
I also did not take a lot of pics, as this kind of metal working leaves the hands dirty, and I did not want to be getting my nice new cell phone all dirty....:rolleyes:

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Here it is all assembled and applying pressure.
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I, of course, cranked it right up to see how much pressure I could apply, and boy it works well!

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That is nice dry Beech and it squished it like no one's business.

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I'm sure this is WAY more pressure that will be needed for glue ups.

OK, now I have to figure out how many I want to build, maybe 6 or 8 in total?

This one is the prototype, so there are some things I'll do differently for sure on the next ones.

A couple of fixes, some rounding off of sharp corners, some paint, and I think I'm going to be fine for panel clamps!

Cheers!

[Timo Christ]

Great Work Stu!
Thanks for the pics + ideas :D
Timo

[Wes Bischel]

Stu,
The prototype looks great! I think this is one for the new plans forum!!:D

Wes

PS - If you need someone to do a CAD drawing, let me know.

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Thanks Timo and Wes!

Wes, to answer you question about a CAD drawing.......... what's a CAD drawing...........? :o

[tod evans]

it`ll never work stu.........ya need to go buy brand "x" and pay shipping wait for customs,ect.,ect.:D




nice job! if you use a hinge on back like on the front they`ll be self adjusting for easy loading. be sure to make the allthread & nut replacable they don`t wear well.....tod

[Wes Bischel]

Thanks Timo and Wes!

Wes, to answer you question about a CAD drawing.......... what's a CAD drawing...........? :o

Fancy name for a computer drafted drawing.:D (Computer Aided Design) It can be output as a DWG, DXF, JPG and or a PDF file etc. The DWG and DXF formats would allow someone to modify the drawing - the others are static.

I know, more than you wanted to know!:rolleyes: :D

Wes

Oh, and to Tod's point, you could always go to an acme thread and nut - square threaded like typical vises and clamps. I know where to source them here in the states, but in Japan - that's another thing.

[Glenn Clabo]

I'm sure this is WAY more pressure that will be needed for glue ups.Cheers!

Stu...Cool set up....and yup it's way more pressure than you need...or want. If you crank that baby up it will squeeze all the glue out of the joint and it won't be long before it fails.

[Steve Clardy]

Heres some ideas to mull over.

http://www.rrclamp.com/rrclamp/home/default.asp

[Jay Knoll]

Stu

Way cool! And thanks for the "link" to the other site! Yeah another time sucking internet hole! :rolleyes: Very interesting how they segment the forums, I just registered but haven't received my offical authorization.

Looks like another good group of woodworkers.

Jay