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Al Willits
09-26-2006, 11:26 AM
OK, been trying to figure out what "shop" plywood is, and come up with,
a grade between B/C and A/B, rejects from cabinet plywood, seconds from most anything in the better grades, or a grade of its own.
Any help?

Also I hear the term cabinet grade plywood and when I check lumber yards I don't see cabinet listed, what grade is it please??

Or is there more than one grade of cabinet plywood??

Al .... who wants to build cabinets out of something...perferably not CDX...:)

Steve Clardy
09-26-2006, 12:18 PM
Most lumber yards do not carry cabinet grade, which is usually an A-2 grade. Good two faces.
They usually carry the less grade, good one side, fair on the other side.
Shop grade is fair on one side, not so good on the other.
Shop grade can be used in cabinet making.
I use it for the bottom and insides of cabinet, the better side showing.

Al Willits
09-26-2006, 2:27 PM
Thanks, the lumber yard I'm planning on going to lists these varibles.

All these are 3/4" Oak, which is what I'm planning on using.

RC A1 VC
PS A1 VC
Quarter Sawn A1 VC
PS A1 CC

Eliminating the QS, I'm wondering which would be the most widely used for kitchen cabinets?

Also, could I make raised pannel doors using the QS plywood, or would I need regular lumber because of the routing on the pannels for the doors?

Thanks for your help.

Al

Steve Clardy
09-26-2006, 2:39 PM
I use A-2, which is considerably cheaper in price than the A-1 usually.

Use regular wood for your raised panel doors.
Ply doesn't look too good, as it will show all the plys when shaping the panel profile.

Al Willits
09-26-2006, 3:07 PM
Thanks, kinda figured plywood wouldn't work on the panels.

Seems the lumber yard doesn't list A2, I see A1 and A4, I'll call them and see if they have it.
Also I think VC is veeneer core, but having a bit of trouble with the differences between RC and PS, not sure which I should be looking for, or why.

Once again, thanks....

Al

Steve Clardy
09-26-2006, 3:24 PM
Try this on grades

http://hardwoods-inc.com/Products/plywood.cfm

Al Willits
09-26-2006, 3:40 PM
Thanks Steve, that pretty much goes with the other sites I went to, but having trouble finding where the RC or PS fits in, either going blind or just don't see the meaning of them letters...

What does RC or PS stand for, that might help.

Al....who's a bit slow at times.

edit..

After a bit more innernet wandering, it appears PS and RC refers to the cut, Rotery and Plain sliced, bit more to plywood than meets the eye...

Appears the difference is what you like your plywood to look like...I think.

So, it looks like RC, A2, VC white Oak is what I'm looking for.....I think.

Somebody ought to come up with a cheat sheet for wood working....:)

Al

Steve Clardy
09-26-2006, 6:19 PM
Don't have a clue Al. Never seen RC or PS I believe.

VC Veneer core is about all I buy.

Al Willits
09-26-2006, 6:47 PM
In case your wondering, here's the site I got that info off of.

http://www.highlandhardwoods.com/hardwood-plywood.html

They show pictures of the different cuts.

Haven't a clue which is better...:)


Al

Steve Clardy
09-26-2006, 6:53 PM
Brain dead here. [ Me ]

RC is rotary or Rift Cut. Thats how its sliced or cut off the log.
Rotary cut is usually one sheet.
PS is plain sliced. With no regard to grain

Picture chart down at the bottom of your link


I'd rather have the sliced cuts. Rotary cut looks pretty bland

Al Willits
09-26-2006, 8:13 PM
I'm with ya Steve, but you know likes the other....well today anyway.

A lot will depend on what she see's when we actually see the wood in person, me thinks a trip to the bank, then the lumber yard this weekend is in order.
Once again, thanks

Al

Steve Clardy
09-26-2006, 10:00 PM
Fully understand that situation.:o :confused: :eek: :confused:
Maybe it'll change tomorrow:)

Ken Consaul
09-27-2006, 5:35 PM
Al asked:
What does RC or PS stand for, that might help.
RC is Rift Cut. Similar to Quarter Sawn but cut to minimize the flecking found in QS.
PS: Plain Sliced: Veneer is cut parallel to the center of the log. You often see this as appearing like a book cut piece.
RS: Rotary Sliced. Veneer is peeled from the log as on a lathe. Usually the veneer on a sheet is a single piece. Its the cheapest because it gives the most yield from a log.

Al Willits
09-27-2006, 5:39 PM
A call to my local lumber yard resulted in some prices, 3/4" VC white Oak A1 is $97 Plain cut, the rotary cut is about $73 a sheet.

Shop plywood (forgot to ask what that was) in 3/4" red Oak is about $63 and Birch is $55
This seem reasonable??

I'm wondering if what they call shop plywood would be close to what Menards sells as their good stuff, price is close?


Al

Steve Clardy
09-27-2006, 6:22 PM
Haven't priced white oak for a couple of years.
Red oak A-1, I pay 45.00 sheet.
Shop grade 42.00 Oak and Birch

White oak is higher priced.
Do you have a cabinet supplier around there?

Al Willits
09-27-2006, 9:13 PM
Thanks Ken.
Just a matter of visual preference or is one better than the other??

Don't think I'll ever get used to the way this forum lists replies....:)

Steve ya think a cabinet supplier might have plywood cheaper?
I see what I can find.
Anybody else from Minn know where to get a better deal than Youngbloods on plywood???

Al

Steve Clardy
09-27-2006, 9:19 PM
Normally cheaper.
Last WO ply I bought, two years ago, was 65.00 for 3/4, A-2