Router options - Bosch 1617 vs Dewalt

[Marlow Wilson]

Sorry if I've been posting too much asking too many questions but I'll be sure to help out where I can. I'm looking at buying a new router. Right now I'm borrowing my dad's Rockwell D-handle and Black and Decker fixed base. They both only take 1/4" bits and I bought a bit set, but now I think I'm better off getting my own new router and exchanging the bits for the 1/2" variety ( I've not yet used them). I started looking around, reading reviews etc, and am having trouble deciding. I can get the Bosch 1617 evs with the plunge base for $229 Can, or the Dewalt for a little more ( I don't have the model # on hand).

The router will be used for a variety of tasks from small furniture to helping me reface old kitchen cabinets.

Three questions:

1. How important is the shank size. I realize will small bits it's not too important but when does it become an issue
2. Is it silly tro try and use a plunge base? I've heard mixed reviews
3. If yes, how is the Milwaukee 5615 body grip fixed router? I like the grip idea and have had great luck with all my Milwaukee tools, but the same can be said of Bosch and Dewalt.

From what I've read most people end up with a handful of routers, but if a combo kit might suffice for the next while then that would be perfect.

Thanks for the input,

Marlow

[Brian Hale]

The Dewalt 618 (2 1/4hp) is a very nice router; plenty of power, soft start and nice handles that are positioned well. I own the 618 and the Makita 1101 and while both are nice i reach for the Dewalt first.

I suggest a router that accepts 1/2" bits.

Brian :)

[Jamie Buxton]

I don't know quite what I'd do without a plunge router. I use the plunge feature to make mortises (lots and lots of mortises), to bore for shelf pegs, to make recesses for inlays, and much more. I can't see much reason to bother having a fixed base.

And yes, 1/2" collets are good thing. I can't see much reason to bother with a router which will not accept them.

[Marlow Wilson]

Brian,

The bit issue is very I should exchange the bits I got (1/4") for 1/2". None of the bits are very large, but if 1/2" is better than it is no cost to upgrade. The drawback is that they wouldn't work with the older routers I'm borrowing and might borrow again in the future.

Thanks,

Marlow

[Bob Childress]

I'm sure either model will serve you well. But for sure get someting that accepts 1/2" shanks. As your needs ramp up you'll be glad you did.:)

[tod evans]

marlow, you didn`t mention the brand router that most folks i know use.....portercable. it`s been my experience that the 690 series is very good for most hand work, the 7518 is a true production router and the 310 is a bulletproof laminate trimmer. if you decide to look at these units i`d advise against the new 890 series, they haven`t been "time-tested" yet. for a plunge router try the 7538. all these except 310 come with both the 1/2 and 1/4" collets.....02 tod

[glenn bradley]

I saw no reason for a plunge router till I finally got a good powerful router for my router table. Now I seem to have 3 other fixed base routers and I'm wishing for a plunge. I would strongly consider a fixed / plunge kit. If I would have done that first I would probably only have a couple of routers . . . OK I made that up. However, with a kit, if you get hooked on the plunge for free hand work the fixed base can stay in a router table and you can swap the motor back and forth (thinking future proofing here).

[pat warner]

"2. Is it silly tro try and use a plunge base? I've heard mixed reviews"

Plungers are the safety option for dangerous fixed base operations. They do more than that but that is a nice option.
Would consider the PK's, there are 10! They might differ x the price of one cheap straight bit. There is no reason to split dollars with all this value.
More on selection. (http://patwarner.com/selecting_router.html)

[Andy Fox]

Marlow, I think most decent name-brand routers which use a 1/2" bit collet also have a 1/4" collet available. So no need to replace 1/4" bits you already have; just a 10 sec change of collets.

My Dewalt plunge router came with both collet sizes.

[scott spencer]

I never used the plunge feature on my router in 4 years and just sold it last month. FWIW, I loved my Milwaukee 5615, but would suggest stepping up to the 5616 with VS, softstart, and a bit more power, although the 5615 wasn't shy on power by any means. The Freud FT-1700 has great table features in a midsize....

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[Mark Rios]

marlow, you didn`t mention the brand router that most folks i know use.....portercable. it`s been my experience that the 690 series is very good for most hand work, the 7518 is a true production router and the 310 is a bulletproof laminate trimmer. if you decide to look at these units i`d advise against the new 890 series, they haven`t been "time-tested" yet. for a plunge router try the 7538. all these except 310 come with both the 1/2 and 1/4" collets.....02 tod


Just to let you know Tod, the 7518 (I'm not sure about the others) doesn't come with a 1/4" collet but it is available as an accessory. I just got the 7518 from Amazon and in the nomenclature it mentions that it is an accessory.

Come to think of it, wasn't it you that offered to send me one? :D

[Brian Hale]

Brian,

The bit issue is very I should exchange the bits I got (1/4") for 1/2". None of the bits are very large, but if 1/2" is better than it is no cost to upgrade. The drawback is that they wouldn't work with the older routers I'm borrowing and might borrow again in the future.

Thanks,

Marlow

Most 1/2" routers come with a 1/4" collet.

As to exchanging the bit set I'm not sure. Is it a high quality set? Does it have a mostly useful set of profiles? Personally i prefer buying bits as i need them as the one set i did buy only contained a couple useful bits. (1/4" straight and 1/8" and 1/4" round overs) It really depends on what your needs are.

Higher quality bits will yield better (cleaner) profiles and last much much longer. Food for thought ;)

Brian :)

[Allen Bookout]

I loved my Milwaukee 5615, but would suggest stepping up to the 5616 with VS, softstart, and a bit more power,

Same here. Allen

[tod evans]

Just to let you know Tod, the 7518 (I'm not sure about the others) doesn't come with a 1/4" collet but it is available as an accessory. I just got the 7518 from Amazon and in the nomenclature it mentions that it is an accessory.

Come to think of it, wasn't it you that offered to send me one? :D


whoops!:o yup it was me who offered to send you one...same offer for marlow if he finds himself in need..tod

[Jesse Cloud]

Marlowe,
Both Bosch and DeWalt make great routers. I have both. My personal preference is for the Bosch, but I'm not sure why....

If most of your work is edge treatments (round-overs, chamfer, etc.), then a plunge router isn't that important. If you plan to use a router table with a 'lift', then a plunge isn't that important. Otherwise, you definitely want a plunge router. They are great for mortises.

Definitely buy something that will accept both a 1/4 inch and a 1/2 inch collet.

This forum sometimes gets caught up in brand name loyalty or hatred. Don't sweat it. Both Bosch and DeWalt make good tools.

I think one of the main things that would decide for me is the feel of the tool. If you are taking the router to the work, then the weight matters a lot. Be sure you are comfortable with how the tool fits your hands and the ease of adjustments. Its also very important that the on/off switch is easily accessible.

My 2 cents...

[Corey Hallagan]

Both are excellent routers. Go and try both on for size, that is what I did. In the end I picked the DW 618 for the feel which it has a nice low squatty feel to it, very comfortable. You would be happy with either. If you can't try them on for size, I would go with which one you can get a better price on.
Corey

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

I don't own either but the Bosh would be my preference between the two.

[Allen Bookout]

Marlowe,

This forum sometimes gets caught up in brand name loyalty or hatred. Don't sweat it. Both Bosch and DeWalt make good tools.

.
I totally agree except that I would add that all major brands make good routers. I have a Milwaukee 5615, a Milwaukee 5625, a Dewalt 621 and the new Hitachi M 12VC and I like them all. Depends on what I am going to do. Next time I think that I am going to get a PC just to have one since so many like that brand. The new Ridgid combo might be a good buy also.

The good news is that nearly everyone loves their router, no matter what the brand is. I have never heard anyone, that has a major brand anyway, say "man---I hate my router''.

I kind of go along with those that say to buy what feels good to you. If that does not work just buy what is the best deal at the time. It is hard to go wrong.

I will say that out of the three brands that I have, I think that the Milwaukees are the highest quality. I guess that would only show up if you used them for hours every day which I do not. Also, they do not make a plunger.

You are in a win, win situation. Dosen't get any better than that.

Good Luck! Allen

[Marlow Wilson]

I started writing a reply earlier but got too busy with other things. The size issue is just that I bought new unused bits that are a 1/4". They will work with whatever router I buy, plus my dad's older models which I may use from time to time (esp the D handle). If half inch bits are a real improvement, I will forego using the old routers and exchange the bits I have which are still unused for 1/2" ones. From what you guys are saying I think I'll get the bosch model, which I was leaning towards anyways. It comes with the plunge base and both collets for $229 CAN, cheaper than the Dewalt and more powerful than the Milwaukee (which doesn't plunge). So to refocus the thread, should I exchange the bits? None are very large, just a basic set of 12 from Lee Valley tools, but if the 1/2" is really an advantage, I'd rather build my bit collection around that size.

Thanks,

Marlow