You can now call me a Liar

[Per Swenson]

It is often debated on this forum the merits of various table saws.

The slider vs. sawstop. I have stuck by my opinion that you could

not get as safe or better made saw for less then $10,000.

I knew this day would come. Really just a matter of time.

Granted it will cost me $30,000 for the building to put this in.

But I need the space anyway.

Feast your eyes on this......

http://www.grizzly.com/products/G0501

[John Lucas]

Per, that is a nice add to your shop. But, a question: you use the Festool plunge saw and guide rails presently for panel cutting, why is this necessary? Wont it require a helper?

[Per Swenson]

Yes and Yes John,

I am talking the production commensurate with a 10 hp machine.

I am aging John, I wanna sit in the office and sell stuff.

A custom kitchen a day. Some one is going to have to pick

up the slack from our southern brothers daily plant closings.

Pretty soon the china cabinet in home depot will have a whole new meaning.

I see a market.

Festool is fine for my current laid back pace, if I keep that pace ,I will

be working past 82, like my father. Though he works for fun, my endeavors

would spring from hunger.

Per

[Bart Leetch]

Yep Per

I saw this on page 28 of the new cartalog a while back.

But thought you'd need a bigger saw to cut your words up small enough to eat. So I thought I let you find it yourself.:eek: :D Oh well its a low cal diet just add a little saw dust.:eek: :p :eek:

[Mark Singer]

Per...you lie!:rolleyes:

[Joe Unni]

Per,

Congratulations!! I think ;) .

I've actually been eye'ing the G0588. Though with all the discussion about this machine and that machine, I've been a bit sqeamish about asking.

I'm curious to know if anyone has any experience witht the Grizzly sliders. I guess I'll wait and see.

Good luck,
-joe

[Brad Townsend]

Be sure and order the $3.95 Safety Push Block with it!:D

[Alan DuBoff]

Nice acquisition! Make a lot of sawdust with it.

[Ken Fitzgerald]

Ah.......Per.............you didn't lie!.............In the words of the esteemed Red Green....."I'm a man........I can change........I guess.....if I have to...":D

So did you order this thing?

If so............Congrats and give us a report after you've had it a while!

[Jeffrey Makiel]

Per,
Many of us are hobbyists. At least I am. I once did work on a more serious note, but that's gone. I can't imagine that a Festool system could ever substitute a commercial slider. It seems that accuracy, speed and cleanliness of cut will soon pay for itself in the commercial world. But, then again, I'm only a hobbyist.

Enjoy the new saw! God knows how hard it is to make a living in New Jersey with your hands.

cheers, Jeff :)

[Mark Rios]

That is a VERY nice piece of equipment, Per. Even my dogs said ooooohhhhhh aaaahhhhhh.



WTG

[Per Swenson]

Hold on Folks!

I have not ordered the saw!

This is just part of the master plan, (see dream)

I am the ultimate Imagunna guy.

First dump this overpriced shack on the inland Jersey Riviera.

I 'm a gonna get a coupla hundred acres in Pastoral North Eastern America,

within 180 miles of NYC.

Erect a 5000 sgft metal building. Live happily ever after.

Just two more years of High School for my youngest and its Adios

surburban Whitelandia.

Roots are fer trees.

Then Imagunna buy this saw.

Been planning this for years.

I haven't ruled out the north midwest either.

Per

[Richard Wolf]

Per,

God knows how hard it is to make a living in New Jersey with "your" hands.

cheers, Jeff :)
I don't know Per, sounds like Jeffrey took a shot at you. LOL

Richard

[CPeter James]

We would welcome you in New Hampshire. Within your range if NY and close to Boston, too. NO SALES TAX AND NO INCOME TAX. You could join the GNHW.

www.gnhw.org

CPeter

[Per Swenson]

Nah no shot.

Demographics though.

'Round here the hourly rate for house call handyman, plumber, electrician,

carpenter surpasses those in the legal profession.

(providing you meet the criteria)

And you are going to have to take a number.

Per

[Per Swenson]

Thanks CPeter,

It's all about the land prices.

I seem to be Bloviating, but in the sprit, Jeffery, I

do not think the term hobbiest applys to the members of this forum.

Feel free to use the term if you want, but for me it brings to mind

stamp collecting and butterfly catching. No you guys are true part time

craftsman who put many pros to shame. Remember most pros, due to the

bottom line cut corners in the intrest of the check. Sacrificing quality for

quanity. At the very least call your selves Artists.

Per

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

The Grizz panel saw caught my attention when I was looking for sliders. It's a tad big for me and I couldn't find anyone who knew about it.
Have you enough time on it to know how you like it? Does the slider stay set after you true it up?

Honestly I can't for the life of me understand why of all the American companies Grizz has been the only one to take the plunge.

[John Keane]

Good for you. I hope that you hum along with the saw as it sings its tune.

[Marc Ward]

I haven't ruled out the north midwest either.Per

Where might this be? I am not familiar with the "north midwest"...is that in the middle of Lake Michigan?

[Frank Chaffee]

You can now call me a liar.
Liar liar,
Pants on fire!

No matter Per,
I am eons behind you in wood butchery, and I will benefit from your posts over these last several years for some time to come.

[Liar],
Oh, and Thanks too,
Frank

[Per Swenson]

Hi Marc,

" Where might this be? I am not familiar with the "north midwest"...is that in the middle of Lake Michigan?"

Lovely Country the north midwest. If there is a habitable Island in

the middle of Lk. Michigan and you know some one in the bridge Business...

Actually, Moving next to Tyler on the North Shore of Superior would be Ideal.

Except I need reasonable Interstate highway access. I would fit right in on

the Michigan Upper P. or in any Scandehoovian town in Minnesota.

But in reality, top dollar is in the North east corridor.

Where the landed gentry consider my schtick, hip and trendy

rather then full blown redneck.





Per

[Dan Forman]

Oof-dah! That's a step up from the guided saw!!!

I'm afraid that you would have to locate your acres of bucolic bliss very near a large city such as Minneapolis to find the sort of customers you are after. Like most places, residents of the most attractive parts (in terms of natural beauty) of the upper midwest tend to have less discretionary income than the city dwellers. Mpls. is one of the more livable cities however. Good luck with the long term plan.

Dan

[John Lucas]

Yes and Yes John,

I am talking the production commensurate with a 10 hp machine.

I am aging John, I wanna sit in the office and sell stuff.

A custom kitchen a day. Some one is going to have to pick

up the slack from our southern brothers daily plant closings.

Pretty soon the china cabinet in home depot will have a whole new meaning.

I see a market.

Festool is fine for my current laid back pace, if I keep that pace ,I will

be working past 82, like my father. Though he works for fun, my endeavors

would spring from hunger.

Per

Per,
In the past couple of years I have developed the highest respect for you. SO I am not going to suggest: YOU ARE NUTS!!! Not at all. I know that you will build a business plan before you do all this. My fear, if you really went that way, is that you wouldnt be the woodworker or the person selling a kitchen a day. You would be the poor person who has to worry about who gets paid and who doesnt. You do that now most likely. Multiply that times 100.
As you are presently doing, find your nitch in the big picture and develop that so that you can enjoy it all.

[tod evans]

But in reality, top dollar is in the North east corridor.

Where the landed gentry consider my schtick, hip and trendy

rather then full blown redneck.





Per

per,
over the years i`ve changed locations a few times all the while continuing to butcher boards. it`s not easy or fun to open shop in a new area. in fact it`s downright frightening as you get older, the security of established clientele and known suppliers should not be taken lightly..
the clientele that now hold your work in vogue will likely be the first to bail if you`re not on hand to coddle them at a moments notice, and you`ll be an unknown to new clients where you set up shop which equates to massive amounts of schmoozing and reduced rates untill you become a known commodity.
i wish you the best of luck on the "imagunna ", if i can be of assistance or offer bad advice feel free to give me a holler.....02 tod

[Jim Becker]

Well, there are still a few acres left here in Bucks County, although it'll require you to work just as hard as Northern New Jersey to pay for it!! But your schtick will fit in quite well...

[Per Swenson]

Thanks Jim!

Thanks Tod and John for your concern for my financial and mental

well being. The bottom line, unless I moved to the belly of the beast,

say Irvington NJ or the South Bronx. Even in this area the savings is offset by the cost of security. I would need 2 million plus

20 thousand a year in tax's to set up shop around here.

Out of the question rent for industrial space in Morris and the surrounding

countys is $3.50 a foot and up. $ 6,000 a month, $96,000 a year.

Now $100,000 cash will buy you 200 acres in Schoharie county NY.

$1800 a year Tax's. And 20 minutes from the interstate.

Just saying.

Per

[Paul B. Cresti]

Per,
I have to agree with some of the others...this area has one heck of a market. The cost of living does seem to match it though. I think you might be better suited either finding a nice piece of property somewhere, like a farm, or maybe renting some warehouse type space in the industrial areas...oh yeah about that saw, well all I can say is eek! do not shop on price alone!

[Craig Feuerzeig]

I have dreams of moving to the country too... ya know, like Denville,:D but have always feared being too far out of the loop.

That is a great price though, if I were you I'd buy it now, it doesn't cost money, it makes money (if it's running). I equate the day I bought my slider ( Italian made, $12,500, almost 10 years ago) to the day I got my drivers liscense. I know I used to get around somehow... I just can't remember how.

[Jeffrey Makiel]

Per,
Setting up shop in Irvington, NJ would remove whatever joy that is left in one's life for sure!

Besides the high cost of real estate in New Jersey, and crazy property taxes, we rank as having the #1 most costly health care system that is 30% above the rest and climbing each year by leaps and bounds. I don't know how small manufacturing businesses still exist here. But I do see them closing at a fairly high rate in my area (Linden, NJ) which was once home to both large and small industry. Not anymore.

cheers, Jeff

[Kelly C. Hanna]

Good luck with the dream Per!! I didn't make it as far out as I wanted to but I am very happy to be out of the rat race...even if I still drive back into it a few days a week.

That slider looks fun...hope you get it [and the metal buidling to house it] soon!

[Cliff Rohrabacher]

'Round here the hourly rate for house call handyman, plumber, electrician,carpenter surpasses those in the legal profession.
(providing you meet the criteria)
And you are going to have to take a number.
Per

Hooo Boy is that ever true.
The guy who mows my neighbors lawn makes somewhere near a hundred K annually and pays tax on - well I don't think he pays tax at all.