36" band saw tire change

[lou sansone]

good morning WW
I thought that some of you might be interested in seeing some of the details on how large industrial BS tires are changed. If you have ever looked at some of the on line auctions of 36" bandsaws, you may have seen photos of the wheels. Many modern 36" bandsaws used "carter high speed wheels" or some close clone of them. The carter wheel has a few nice features that have made them pretty much the industry standard. They are capable of 180 mph speeds without flying apart ( older cast iron wheels had a limit to their speed because of this potential problem ), and they are easily "re-tired" as opposed to the glue on or vulcanized rubber tires. although my saw was in very good shape, the tires were somewhat worn and so I decided to replace them. The photos below show some of that process.


the carter wheel is a split rim that unbolts and the tire slips off. the new one slips on and is held in place by the little "nubs" inside of the tire. Those nubs lodge themselves in the indentations of the rim and prevent the tire from spinning on the rim. The tire itself is a combination of steel and rubber vulcanized, ground to shape and balanced.

I thought you might also like to see the size of the " Hub and brake" setup on this particualr saw. The motor shaft you see in the photo is 1 7/8" diameter ( the saw has a 30 hp motor frame size that is direct drive to the wheel... no belts )

enjoy
lou

[lou sansone]

few more photos

[Alex Shanku]

Nice pics, Lou. Monster of a saw, and it also looks like you have a really nice shop!!

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

What..........?

ONLY a 30 hp motor............ ;) :D

man that is one monster of a saw, thanks for the info on the wheels and tires, I'd not seen that type before.

Cheers!

[Brett Baldwin]

I assume that is the same Carter that makes the bearing guides. They really did come up with great bandsaw improvements. Are those tires at all hard to come by or are they a current product line?

[lou sansone]

I assume that is the same Carter that makes the bearing guides. They really did come up with great bandsaw improvements. Are those tires at all hard to come by or are they a current product line?


The tires are still very much in production and come in urethane and neoprene. You are correct that this is the same carter that makes the band saw blade guides.

thanks for looking
lou

[Jeff Singleton]

Lou, Nice Moak you got their. They made a very good, little know bandsaw. Nobody makes wheel and tire as good as Carter, that's what they do. I priced urethane tires for my 30" Oliver and they were $165 each and you can not crown urethane tire. Haven't gone either way yet. Cheaper then the $275 Tannewitz wants for each tire for their great saw. Nice story Lou.

Jeff Singleton
Singleton's Woodworking & Pattern Works

[Reg Mitchell]

Hey Lou.....dog.......you got the easy type lol. I got the rubber on the Yates 36" wheels. It was a snap the way I did it. Took about 5 minets per tire, but now I have to crown them lol....nice Saw :)

[Alan Turner]

I have not done this, but. . . . Northfield vulcanizes their tires to the wheel, and then balances them on the wheel. Take off the wheels, send them to Northfiled, and they send them back with new tires, balanced. The quote, x-shipping, for a pair of 20" wheels was #370. Not too bad, all things considered.

I did not ask them if they will do other makers, but I hope so. My Zimmermann has vulcanized tires, as does my Agazzani. I talked to a Zimmermann rep in California after I got the saw, and was told that to replace the tires, you order new wheels, and send the old ones back to Zimmeramnn. $1400 each. Sure hope that is not the route I have to go if my saw need new sneakers.

[lou sansone]

Hey Lou.....dog.......you got the easy type lol. I got the rubber on the Yates 36" wheels. It was a snap the way I did it. Took about 5 minets per tire, but now I have to crown them lol....nice Saw :)

hi reg
glad to hear that it went easy. the crown should not be that hard to do for a guy like you. we are still waiting for those yates pictures
lou

[lou sansone]

Lou, Nice Moak you got their. They made a very good, little know bandsaw. Nobody makes wheel and tire as good as Carter, that's what they do. I priced urethane tires for my 30" Oliver and they were $165 each and you can not crown urethane tire. Haven't gone either way yet. Cheaper then the $275 Tannewitz wants for each tire for their great saw. Nice story Lou.

Jeff Singleton
Singleton's Woodworking & Pattern Works

hi jeff
the neoprene carter tires are about 280 each! But where else are you going to go for them?

[lou sansone]

I have not done this, but. . . . Northfield vulcanizes their tires to the wheel, and then balances them on the wheel. Take off the wheels, send them to Northfiled, and they send them back with new tires, balanced. The quote, x-shipping, for a pair of 20" wheels was #370. Not too bad, all things considered.

I did not ask them if they will do other makers, but I hope so. My Zimmermann has vulcanized tires, as does my Agazzani. I talked to a Zimmermann rep in California after I got the saw, and was told that to replace the tires, you order new wheels, and send the old ones back to Zimmeramnn. $1400 each. Sure hope that is not the route I have to go if my saw need new sneakers.

Hi alan
that zimmermann is just getting broken in :) . What a sweet saw... man you lucked out on that one!

lou

[Reg Mitchell]

hi reg
glad to hear that it went easy. the crown should not be that hard to do for a guy like you. we are still waiting for those yates pictures
lou
Hi Lou
Nice looking shop....give me a cpl weeks to get it in the resting spot and I'll fire you some....I though I posted a few in here...
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d99/male_man/myrtelwoodtbltop182.jpg
I'll show you how the tires went on when I get to the house
Reg

[lou sansone]

hi reg
nice .......:)

standing by for photos

lou

[Scott Banbury]

Hi Lou,

I just swapped the tire on my 36" American. Mine is equipped with a Carter Quick Change drive wheel--same split rim but no nubs.

I didn't even bother taking the wheel off.

How much did your tire cost?

Scott
Memphis, TN

[lou sansone]

Hi Lou,

I just swapped the tire on my 36" American. Mine is equipped with a Carter Quick Change drive wheel--same split rim but no nubs.

I didn't even bother taking the wheel off.

How much did your tire cost?

Scott
Memphis, TN

hi scott
I think the original wheels were like your, but as machines got more powerfull, carter went to the nubby style ( called sure lock or something like that ). I think the nubless style are less expensive than the nubby type I have, they were about $260 each.


how about a couple of photos of the american?
lou

lou

[Scott Banbury]

Lou,

Not much price difference--I bought mine local since I needed the saw that day and it was about the same as yours.

I sure like the $40/tire price on the glue on tires better.

The tire that was on my saw when I got it was pretty worn (grooves from running 1/4" blades). I had trued them up alright (card scraper backed by a block of wood) but evidently I shaved off too much as they ran that way for only a week or so before the tire broke and flew apart.

I'm picking up a 26" Crescent this week that has brand new tires (glue on) and spokes top and bottom.

I'll snap some more pics this afternoon but here's one to tide you over. That's a 10 x 12 fixin' to get cut into a curved brace . . .

http://www.scottbanbury.com/bigbracket01.jpg

[lou sansone]

10 by 12... nice

so you see why some of us old iron nuts like these machines

best wishes and try to snap a few more photos for the record
lou