Tooling Up.......

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Well, I've been shocked.......... SHOCKED at the price of a decent bowl
gouge here in Japan, but, I've found some that I can live with the prices :D


But I digress.......

I was asking one of these companies here that sell the lathes I'm interested in to give me a price list of scrapers and bowl gouges.....


BOWL GOUGES:

ASHLEY ILES:
1/4" - 5100 ($46.36)
3/8" - 6120 ($55.63)
1/2" - 7650 ($69.54)

P&N - AUSTRALIA CLEARANCE
3/8" - 3500 ($31.80)
1/2" - 5000 ($45.45)

HAMLET - ASP2060
1/4" - 7560 ($68.72)
3/8" - 8820 ($80.18)
1/2" - 10000 ($90.90)

SCRAPERS - ROUND OR SQUARE:

ASHLEY ILES:
1/4" - 3570 ($32.45)
1/2" - 3825 ($34.77)
3/4" - 4335 ($39.40)
1" - 5610 ($51.00)
1 1/2" - 10625 ($96.59)

P&N - AUSTRALIA CLEARANCE
1/2" - 3500 ($31.18)
3/4" - 3900 ($35.45)

HAMLET - ASP2060:
1/2"- 6090 ($52.36)
3/4" - 7980 ($72.54)
1" - 9940 ($90.36)
1 1/2" - 15860 ($144.18)

I ended up ordering one each;

Bowl Gouges
P&N - AUSTRALIA CLEARANCE
3/8" - 3500 ($31.80)
1/2" - 5000 ($45.45)

Round Scrapers
P&N - AUSTRALIA CLEARANCE
1/2" - 3500 ($31.18)
3/4" - 3900 ($35.45)

I know some of you have these tools and the consensus seemed to be good, not only that, but Lee Valley sells them, and they don't usually sell junk.

The tools have handles, the guy said the price difference (in Japan) is only about $5, so they don't bother carrying the unhanded stuff.

They will get here early next week, the guy is swamped with his first shipment of the Nova DVR-XP....... :D

How do the prices compare with what you guys get in the US etc.?

Cheers!

[Bob Noles]

Stu,

First off, I had pretty much learned that a 3/8 and 5/8 bowl gouge will fill most bowl turner's needs. Can't help with the scrappers though at this point. The prices you posted look pretty close to those I have shopped, but then again freight for you may be a whole new ball game :eek:

[Ken Fitzgerald]

Stu ......those prices are lower than some I saw here for the same tools minus the handles.

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

This fellow is in Japan, North of Mt Fuji.

His name is Manfred Ikeda, he tells me he is originally from Austria.
He has a lot of tools that other do not, he does not carry the Henry Taylor stuff, which is really expensive here.

I'm very pleased at the prices.

I don't think that shipping will be much more than $20, maybe even closer to $15 for all four items.

They are working on a home page.

Cheers!

[Andy Hoyt]

..... the guy is swamped with his first shipment of the Nova DVR-XP.......
Geez! Didn't you guys see the reference to the other tool he's tooling up with

[Mark Cothren]

Stu,

Prices look good to me. As I've posted before, I use a few P&N gouges and have no complaints about them at all. Of course I'm still relatively new to turning... Dennis Peacock put me onto P&N when I started and I've had no regrets.

Good luck and can't wait to see you ridin' that Nova!

Mark

[Bernie Weishapl]

Prices look pretty good to me Stu. I am getting the P & N 3/8" and 1/2" bowl gouge and they will be $61 for both shipped.

[Bob Noles]

Geez! Didn't you guys see the reference to the other tool he's tooling up with

Hey it was early and I hadn't had my 2nd cup yet :eek:



CONGRATS STU!

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Geez! Didn't you guys see the reference to the other tool he's tooling up with
Nothing gets by Andy!

He is working on a price for me.




From Woodcraft
146719 Nova DVR XP Lathe $2,199.99 $20.00 $2,219.99

146901 20" Bed Segment for Nova DVR XP Lathe $199.99 $0.00 $199.99

125761 Outboard Tool Rest Assembly $269.99 $0.00 $269.99

126226 HD Bowl Rest, 1" Shank $44.99 $0.00 $44.99

142468 Tool Rest, 3" $44.99 $0.00 $44.99

126228 Nova Handwheel $27.99 $0.00 $27.99

145898 TEKNATOOL SuperNova2 $169.99 $0.00 $169.99

126601 1-1/4"-8 TPI RH Insert $24.99 $0.00 $24.99

142553 #2 MT 1/2" Keyed Chuck $36.99 $0.00 $73.98

Merchandise Total: $3,056.90


OK, that is without shipping to here, from the USA, but my buddy got one shipped UPS for around $400, if I went for Surface shipping, it would be a lot cheaper.

If this guy in Japan can get within a few hundred bucks of the price above, (with shipping) I'll buy local for sure, but if he is going to be $500 or $600 above, well, then, I'll go the Woodcraft route.

I told him that if he gives me a deal, I'll gladly let him direct customers to me for a demo ride, and for that fact, if he wants a place to do demos for prospective customers, again, I'd pony up the Dungeon.

We shall see if I can get a deal here.

I'd much rather support a local guy, and get a local warranty, but, my good intentions are not limitless

We shall see :D

[Raymond Overman]

For handled P&N gouges the prices are right on target. Once you get the 1/4" gouge in your hand you're going to think that it's on the small side. However, you'll find that it does an excellent job for finishing cuts if you grind it with a long Irish style grind. I also put a second bevel below the tip of the tool wich shortened the turning radius of my cut at the bottom of a bowl. This works really well for the transition point between the sides and the bottom of a deep bowl. I learned that from Al Stirt. I'll try to post pictures of the grind this evening.

The 1/2" will do a great job of hogging out a lot of material in a short amount of time. I've got the 5/8" and put an irish style grind on it as well.

I can't speak to the scrapers but if the other two tools are any indication, you'll be pleased.

Sounds like you're ready to go turn some bowls soon!

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

...... Once you get the 1/4" gouge in your hand you're going to think that it's on the small side.....

Hey Raymond, I made a mistake there, the smaller gouge is 3/8" NOT 1/4", I was converting from 10mm (6mm would be 1/4")

Cheers!

[Bob Noles]

Stu....

Only one concern..... I have seen how you get tools in the dungeon and feel sure the lathe will present no problem, but how in tarnation are you going to pipe all those chips out of there with that new lathe? :eek: :eek: :eek: :D :D

This is going to get very interesting for sure and I look forward to yet another adventure from "Stu in Tokyo" :cool:

[Andy Hoyt]

Stu - You're about to spend a whole bunch of guidos on the Nova. That's good. But please consider the benefit of buying local should something occur to the lathe requiring service or warranty assistance. The local guy would undoubtedly/hopefully be more motivated to provide better and more timely service to you in Tokyo than someone in North America. The resultant comfort zone probably comes at a price, but I think it would be worth it.

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Bob, do not be concerend about getting stuff into the Dungeon, I have gravity on my side :D

http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/jointer/base_take_off.jpg

http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/jointer/base_landed.jpg

http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/jackpot/hanging_around.jpg

http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/dc/lift_off.jpg

http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/dc/touch_down.jpg

Know what I mean :D

[Don Baer]

Stu....

Only one concern..... I have seen how you get tools in the dungeon and feel sure the lathe will present no problem, but how in tarnation are you going to pipe all those chips out of there with that new lathe? :eek: :eek: :eek: :D :D

This is going to get very interesting for sure and I look forward to yet another adventure from "Stu in Tokyo" :cool:


Why Stu will just build one of these..:D

http://www.fuelsforschools.org/images/inclined-conveyor-b.JPG

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Stu - You're about to spend a whole bunch of guidos on the Nova. That's good. But please consider the benefit of buying local should something occur to the lathe requiring service or warranty assistance. The local guy would undoubtedly/hopefully be more motivated to provide better and more timely service to you in Tokyo than someone in North America. The resultant comfort zone probably comes at a price, but I think it would be worth it.

I absolutely agree with you Andy, but, there is a limit.

They want $199 for the Nova 2 chuck in the US, they want $450 for it here :eek:

Trust me, I'm going to do the best I can to buy local, just for the reasons you mention.

Cheers!

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Why Stu will just build one of these..:D

http://www.fuelsforschools.org/images/inclined-conveyor-b.JPG

Hey......I could build one of those...... :rolleyes: :D

[David Fried]

Given how expensive everything seems to be in Japan maybe you should start marketing Stu's Tokyo Mulch!

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Given how expensive everything seems to be in Japan maybe you should start marketing Stu's Tokyo Mulch!

Actually the head priest the local Shinto shrine compost all the leaves from the shrines grounds (a lot of leaves!) as he was having to pay a bunch of money to have the leaves hauled away, they used to burn them, but they can't do that anymore in the city (Thankfully!).

I take the sawdust from the Dungeon to him, and he loves it, adds some extra to his compost. He gives me two nice big bags of dirt for every two big bags of sawdust I bring.

The dirt is really good for veggies and flowers we grow on our veranda......... OK, my wife grows, I just carry the heavy stuff :rolleyes:

I think the sawdust for dirt is a good deal.

Cheers!

[Bob Noles]

Don,

That is halarious and I see Stu jumped on it quickly too..... :)

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Don,

That is halarious and I see Stu jumped on it quickly too..... :)

Well, I COULD build one, trust me ;) :D

[Sparky Paessler]

Hey Stu you could relocate the dust collector upstairs and just run the pipe down into the dungeon. Then you would not have to haul the chips and dust up out of it.

[Steve Hayes]

I can't find P&N scrapers. I wanted to order a couple from Lee Valley when I purchased the bowl gouges and they have none.

[Raymond Overman]

So what does one do with all their shavings in Tokyo once they get them out of the dungeon? Local gardening club need any mixed hardwood mulch? Compost pile? :cool:


Here in Fort Mill, I hope to have a nice pile of black gold by early fall between the hardwood shavings, leaves, and grass clippings I'm accumulating I should be able to build a couple of nice beds for fall planting. That is if I can take the time to turn my pile and get some air in it so it will work itself on a regular basis.

[Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan]

Raymond, may I point you to post #19, all will be revealed!

Sparky, that was the original plan, in fact I have two 8" holes in the ceiling of the Dungeon just for that (air return) but in the end, I put it in the Dungeon, as I had less space upstairs, in the parking area, and less height as well.

Not a lot of space here.

http://www.ablett.jp/workshop/images/jackpot/rooftop/roof_next_door_uncles.jpg

Looking down between my building, on the right, and the neighbours on the left, about 2' between us..... :eek:

Steve, I wondered about that too, I could not find the P&N scarpers anywhere, but this guy says he has them.

He carries the Vicmarc lathes, from Oz, same as the P&N tools, so maybe they are not sent to the US and Canada for some reason...?

Cheers!

[Dick Strauss]

Stu,
P&N tools are definitely available here in the US. Here is a link to them at Woodcraft...looks like they are on closeout?

http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=5191

P&N has a good reputation here. However, a friend bought a 1.25" roughing gouge that had ridges along the inside curve from a poor milling job. For what he paid for it I thought the quality wasn't up to snuff. Hopefully it was just one apple that had a bruise (I wouldn't consider it a bad apple!). Check yours when you get them...

Congrats on the new lathe!!!

[Joe Fisher]

I agree with the other posters; those look like good prices! I have a few P&N tools, myself.

You are aware that P&N measures their tools by bar size, and not flute size, right?

IOW, a 3/8" P&N bowl gouge will have roughly the same flute size as a 1/4" Sorby or Henry Taylor bowl gouge.

I was very surprised by that when my 3/8" bowl gouge showed up :) I ended up buying a 1/2" (flute size) Crown ProPM bowl gouge for heavy roughing. I still love my P&N for hollowing boxes and doing smaller bowls.

-Joe