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Tom Peterson
04-17-2006, 11:03 AM
Can anyone comment on the differences between the TS55 EQ currently offered and the older ATF55 that can be found at a discounted price?

Stu Ablett in Tokyo Japan
04-17-2006, 11:09 AM
I've got the new one and I really like it, I've not even seen the old one, but I hear that a lot of guys are saying if you are buying new, get the new one, if you have an old one, then the decision to upgrade is not an easy one, as the old saw is a great tool.

Cheers!

Bob Marino
04-17-2006, 11:21 AM
Can anyone comment on the differences between the TS55 EQ currently offered and the older ATF55 that can be found at a discounted price?

Tom,

Check out this link.



Download Comparison of TS 55 versus ATF 55 Saw (http://www.festoolusa.com/Web_files/TS_Q&A.pdf)



Bob

Gary Keedwell
04-17-2006, 11:30 AM
Bob,

Thanks for the info....I printed it for future reference.

Gary K.

Brent Harral
04-17-2006, 11:46 AM
I have used the ATF55 extensively for several years and recently picked up the new TS55. The first thing I noticed was a more refined look and feel to the saw. The slightly larger and rubber grip is more comfortable than the ATF without a doubt. It's slightly less heavy, is about as loud, but does run more smooth than the ATF. Festool has a third motor bearing compared to the two the ATF had. The saw glides without any effort with the magnesium base. The newer rails now come with two HDPE strips and the combination of the new base and these strips is a great improvment over the orginal metal base on just aluminum rails.

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Plunge action has the same ease but the depth indicator is WAY more easy to read and slightly more easy to adjust. A couple improvements - the adjusters to take up the rail play are now eccentric hand screws. Sure beats having to find that straight edged screwdriver you had to file down to adjust the sets screws on the ATF. Two set screws are easily accessable to set the base/blade to 90 degrees. The setting was of by about 5 degress and it took maybe 5 minutes to get it set to a perfect 90.

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Another nice improvement is a lever lock feature to change the blades. This "fast fix" lever releases the plunge and holds it about half way down, exposing the flange screw through a window. This position also allows you to adjust the riving knife the same way - although, mine was set perfect right out of the box. This is quicker than having to remove the four-five screws on the ATF to remove the whole housing. They were small suckers too and had a tendancy to "disappear" if dropped on the floor. Plus, when the saw is plunged and locked in place, it automatically engages the spindle lock for blade changes. Funny, I read a review where the author gave the TS55 an "8" on blade changes and said "it may be tricky for a novice". Not getting that one at all. Blades changes are as simple as can be..

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I never used the riving knife on the ATF but this one plunges with the blade, is smack in line with the teeth and I don't even know it's there, quite frankly....guess it'll stay.

The TS55 comes with a splitterguard accessory which easily mounts on the front/side of the saw. Press it down to the material, lock and plunge in to cut the kerf. I did about five test cuts with it on and then off, and frankly could not tell any difference in the topside quality of cut. I mainly cut ply with the saw so it'll be interesting to see if it does make a difference with other matierals.

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For now it's going to stay off for the simple fact that the splitter is proud of the base when on, and will teeter on a flat surface when you put the saw down. How's that for petty?

How does it cut? I'm not sure how Festool could have made a better cutting saw than the ATF, but this one is as perfect as perfect gets. I'd go a limb to say it does cut "better" because of the third bearing and being a little more stable, but I'd have to get all scientific of cut analysis and I'm just not that kind of guy

Why look any further..

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Two other noticable differences are the hose port and cord. The TS55 is a swivel and a round female port opening to accept the CT's round 1" rubber end. The ATF had a square/oblong port (like the Festool jigsaw and Rotex sander) and the hose end stayed VERY secure inside the opening. Of course the rubber hose end is tapered and there is resistance, but not as much as I'd like. The ribbed flex hose does have the tendancy to get hung up sometimes on the material and rail, causing it to pull away from the saw port. I wish the saw port had ribbing to keep the hose very securly attached....we shall see. The cord is a plug-it type that is removable - this I like. However, the plug n twist of the festool is not as secure as the plug it style you would find on the Milwaukee tools. Also, the cord from the saw is angled down and towards the operator....wish it was more "up" and "away". But hey, with cuts like this and a saw that will last a good long while I'm very pleased. Whether you feel the need to upgrade your ATF to the TS is a matter of personal preference and budget.

As per usual, Bob Marino gave suburb customer service discussing the details of the new saw. Can't beat the delievery either - put an order in with Bob on Monday morning, get your stuff the next day.

Rob Blaustein
04-17-2006, 12:03 PM
...Also, the cord from the saw is angled down and towards the operator....wish it was more "up" and "away"...

As per usual, Bob Marino gave suburb customer service discussing the details of the new saw. Can't beat the delievery either - put an order in with Bob on Monday morning, get your stuff the next day.
Nice write-up Brent. I agree on both counts. I haven't used the ATF55 so can't compare, but I have been using the new TS55 a reasonable amount and love it. The only thing that bothers me is the angle of the power cord, as Brent mentions. If I'm not careful it has a tendency to find its way into the slot on the rail and I've almost cut into it by pulling against those sharp edges. But it's a minor point, and I'm glad I waited to get the newer saw for all of the features listed.

Tyler Howell
04-17-2006, 12:10 PM
Great reveiw Brent.
I've got the vintage :rolleyes: ATF55 and have never seen sheet goods sliced and diced so smoothly.
Can't imagine they could improve on it.

Tom Peterson
04-17-2006, 1:12 PM
thanks bob, that is exactly what i was looking for

Pete Harbin
04-17-2006, 2:10 PM
Excellent wirte-up Brent. Those are some crisp, clean cuts there!

Pete

Frank Pellow
04-17-2006, 3:33 PM
Thanks for the comparison Brent. I am resisting upgrading to the new model, But reviews like your's let me know what I am missing. So far, not enough to justity the expense.

Most likely, some time in 2007, I will purchase the new ATF 75 but keep my TS 55.

Bernhard Kühnen
04-17-2006, 4:13 PM
I already did Frank,

together with the rail and the Panther blade it is a great saw to cut the rough part of the lumber. And changing the blade is the most valuable new thing according to my opinion. But agree I keep my TS 55.

Bernhard

John Stevens
04-17-2006, 4:32 PM
Not what you're asking, but here's another variable--later this year, perhaps in August, Festool will be offering a larger version of the new saw (the TS-75) with a little more power and larger cutting depth. The "55" works great for sheet goods and most solid wood in 5/4 thickness or less, but I'd like a little more power for cutting through stuff like cherry and maple without burning the wood. The "75" will also be heavier and more expensive than the 55.

JayStPeter
04-17-2006, 4:41 PM
Thanks for the comparison Brent. I am resisting upgrading to the new model, But reviews like your's let me know what I am missing. So far, not enough to justity the expense.

Most likely, some time in 2007, I will purchase the new ATF 75 but keep my TS 55.

I have similar thoughts. I doubt I'll keep 2 saws though. I've been dealing with a lot more 8/4 lumber lately and am wishing for a little more capacity. I'd like to have a plug-it also, but not a reason to get a whole new saw.

Tom, the only reason I would choose the TS55 over the ATF55 right now is the availability of the optional dust cover. I have (the now discontinued) one on my ATF55 and it offers a real benefit. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have one available for the TS75. I'm hoping that might change ...

Jay

Bob Marino
04-17-2006, 4:49 PM
I have similar thoughts. I doubt I'll keep 2 saws though. I've been dealing with a lot more 8/4 lumber lately and am wishing for a little more capacity. I'd like to have a plug-it also, but not a reason to get a whole new saw.

Tom, the only reason I would choose the TS55 over the ATF55 right now is the availability of the optional dust cover. I have (the now discontinued) one on my ATF55 and it offers a real benefit. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have one available for the TS75. I'm hoping that might change ...

Jay


Jay,

There is a dust cover available for the TS 5, not sure about the TS 75 though.

Bob

Rob Blaustein
04-17-2006, 5:06 PM
Tom, the only reason I would choose the TS55 over the ATF55 right now is the availability of the optional dust cover. I have (the now discontinued) one on my ATF55 and it offers a real benefit. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have one available for the TS75. I'm hoping that might change ...

Jay
I wouldn't mind using the dust cover but I recall being told that you can't use the dust cover and the splinter guard simultaneously. I put that splinter guard on from the start and haven't tried cuts without it so don't know what I'd be giving up, quality of cut-wise. I'll have to try that... Have any of you done a comparison with and without that guard?