Getting ready for a new addition to the Shop

[lou sansone]

good afternoon ww's

here are a few shots of a 8x12 beam that I put together to get ready for my newest addition to the shop. calculations show it should safely handle 3900 lbs. The beam will be used to hold a large chain hoist to remove one piece of equipment in my shop by hoisting it up and then lowering it into my flat bead. It will also be used to unload the new piece of equipment. The beam was made by laminating 4 2"x12" s together with sub floor adhesive, spiral nails and then bolting the whole thing together with 1/2" carriage bolts.

The shop doors are ~ 9' tall for scale

Lou

[David Fried]

Lou,

And to think I was worried about getting that 8" jointer into my shop!

Looks like you're thinking this out well before hand.
If you need more hands when the time comes just give a hollar.

Dave Fried

[tod evans]

hmmmmmmmmm, whatca up to lou?

[Richard Wolf]

Lou,
Please stop posting pictures of your shop, it's cruel and just mean.

Richard

[Vaughn McMillan]

Ohh, cool. A guessing game...I'm good at these. Bigger than a breadbox, right?

- Vaughn

[Jason Tuinstra]

newest addition to the shop

Lou, I like your generality on this one. :D Safe to assume it's going to be old iron and heavy??? Be sure to keep us up to date.

[Andy Hoyt]

Ohh, cool. A guessing game...I'm good at these. Bigger than a breadbox, right?

- Vaughn

Me too.

Ummm. Get rid the 42' long lathe and replace it with a Jet Mini?

Looks good Lou. And calls nice attention to the real timbers you have in there.

[Frank Pellow]

Now, that what I call a beam, Lou. Why are the clamps still on it?

[lou sansone]

Now, that what I call a beam, Lou. Why are the clamps still on it?

hi frank

the adhesive was still curing so I left the clamps on.. there are all put away now


Lou

[Paul B. Cresti]

Lou,
Please stop posting pictures of your shop, it's cruel and just mean.

Richard

Richard I agree! Lou's shop postings are cruel and unusual punishment....I therefore would like to report this post ;)

[Frank Pellow]

hi frank

the adhesive was still curing so I left the clamps on.. there are all put away now


Lou

Boy Lou, you must have been really anxious to get this into place! I would have waited.

[tod evans]

frank, i`ll bet you a nickel he built that heavy sucker in place...02 tod

[lou sansone]

frank, i`ll bet you a nickel he built that heavy sucker in place...02 tod

you got that right. I am getting a little soft now and trying hoist 2 - 2x12x12's up a ladder with them on my shoulders is getting harder. I won't put the beam into service for at least another week.

lou

[David Fried]

Lou,

When I first read the title of this thread I thought you were knocking out a wall and expanding your shop because you brought home something so big it wouldn't fit!!

Let's see, could it be a new slider?


Dave Fried

[Frank Pellow]

frank, i`ll bet you a nickel he built that heavy sucker in place...02 tod
Silly me! :o I should have thought of that.

[Steve Clardy]

Looks like it outa hold about anything!

[Todd Davidson]

Hi Lou~

I'm with David on the slider as well as his offer to lend a hand if you need it.

In peace, Todd

[Tyler Howell]

Oh Lou!
Your're such a tease!
I say Euro Slider:cool:

[Reg Mitchell]

hey Lou....wouldn't be a big Wadkin sliding saw would it....:D

[Jerry Olexa]

OK so you're getting a new electric drill 3/8.:D Man that is a serious beam. I lam'd my own @ my cabin . They were 6X 12 same process. It'll hold I think..

[Dev Emch]

Magnetic north has been wondering again...... now I know why! I guess I will order up a new set of maps as the current ones are now all goofed up thanks to Lou's collection.:D I guess it could be worse.... Chuck is trying to sink the Island of Maui single handed using Olivers.

[Scott Vigder]

I agree with all above...it's not a shop...it's a plant.....is the zoning commission aware of this?

[David Less]

Lou,

I could sit and just hang out in a shop like yours, did you get a slider yet?


David

[Corvin Alstot]

The beam will be used to hold a large chain hoist to remove one piece of equipment in my shop by hoisting it up and then lowering it into my flat bead. It will also be used to unload the new piece of equipment. The beam was made by laminating 4 2"x12" s together with sub floor adhesive, spiral nails and then bolting the whole thing together with 1/2" carriage bolts. Lou/ Nice looking beam. How is the beam anchored at the ends to prevent the beam from moving? I was not sure if you were concerned about the beam creeping or twisting once it was loaded?
Corvin

[Gary Herrmann]

Yeah, I'm thinking a slider too.

[lou sansone]

Lou/ Nice looking beam. How is the beam anchored at the ends to prevent the beam from moving? I was not sure if you were concerned about the beam creeping or twisting once it was loaded?
Corvin

excellent comment Corvin

I have designed the beam to act as a "bridge crane". It is movable to allow it to be centered over the load. Once centered over the load I will add temporary bracing to prevent it from buckling sideways and also tipping over. After the "pick" the beam can be slid back out of the way toward the wall. You do bring up an very good point. Another creeker had PM'd me about this and I went thought all the other stress calculations on the timbers that the lifting beam is sitting on as well. Even though the beam is capable of a single point load in the center of ~ 3900 lbs, the other headers are not quite strong enough for that as they are now. I would have to also add some vertical support to them for a real 4000 lbs lift.

Thanks for the word of caution

Lou

[tod evans]

lou, use house jacks under your cross beams just when lifting, that way they`re mobile like your bridge...02 tod

[Ben Abate]

Fellows,
Lou's shop is sooooooooooo nice. I had the pleasure of spending a few hours there last spring. Beautiful white oak floors, separate finishing area, all nice refurbished old iron. And his work is as nice as the shop. Can't wait to see what your up to Lou. Can I guess, is it what you and I were talking about earlier last fall? Your secret is safe with me.

Ben

[lou sansone]

lou, use house jacks under your cross beams just when lifting, that way they`re mobile like your bridge...02 tod

good idea. won't need it this time:) .. sort of a light weight machine under 2000 lbs
lou

[Reg Mitchell]

LOLOLOL Lou you know your in deep when you talk of 200o lbs as light machine :D

[Mike Kremer]

Lou, your shop is awesome! Do you have any more inside/outside pics on hand or would you be willing to give us a "picture tour" of sorts? Also, any info regarding specs, etc would be greatly appreciated. Very inspiring. Thanks.

[Vaughn McMillan]

Mike, Lou has posted a few Shop Tour threads. Here are a few for a taste...you can find more (even better ones) by doing a search for "Shop Tour". I gotta warn you, you'll want to be sitting down when you see some of his toyls.:

http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=17821
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=17916
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=18192
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=18204
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=18423
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=18645

- Vaughn

[lou sansone]

here are a few more shop tour pages

http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=18836
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=18970
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=19201
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=19463
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=19846

enjoy and ask questions if you want


lou

[tod evans]

lou, i`ve got a question; would you mind guestimating the amount of man hours you`ve invested in your shop? both construction and machine restoration.. thanks, tod

[lou sansone]

lou, i`ve got a question; would you mind guestimating the amount of man hours you`ve invested in your shop? both construction and machine restoration.. thanks, tod

Design of building
1. basic design = 40 hours
2. detailed post and beam structural analysis = 120 hours

construction:

1. cut and mill trees = 200 hours
2. hand plane all beams = 60 hours
3. Cut all mortise and tenons by hand = 160 hours
4. ship lap by hand 3000 bd feet of siding = 60 hours
5. erect building frame = 24 hours
6. siding and insulation = 160 hours
7. double insulated roof with cedar shingles = 200 hours
8. chimney = 120 hours
9. floor system with conduit and insulation = 160 hours
10. All electric work - 400 amp 3 phase electrical = 200 hours
11. build windows and paint building = 120 hours

add 6 k for foundation

12. add = 5 k for separate wood storage building

13. materials for big building ~ 25k ?

lou

[tod evans]

all this while holding down a day job and taking care of the family! you`re to be commended lou! tod

[Mark Singer]

More of Lou's slow torture......okay Lou I can take it....go ahead hit with another pic....and some heavy iron....oooh.....ooooh....that hurts:rolleyes:

[Jerry Olexa]

Man that is a REAL shop....Great work!!

[Rob Bodenschatz]

Design of building
1. basic design = 40 hours
2. detailed post and beam structural analysis = 120 hours

construction:

1. cut and mill trees = 200 hours
2. hand plane all beams = 60 hours
3. Cut all mortise and tenons by hand = 160 hours
4. ship lap by hand 3000 bd feet of siding = 60 hours
5. erect building frame = 24 hours
6. siding and insulation = 160 hours
7. double insulated roof with cedar shingles = 200 hours
8. chimney = 120 hours
9. floor system with conduit and insulation = 160 hours
10. All electric work - 400 amp 3 phase electrical = 200 hours
11. build windows and paint building = 120 hours

add 6 k for foundation

12. add = 5 k for separate wood storage building

13. materials for big building ~ 25k ?

lou
14. Having the shop that dreams are made of: Priceless!

[Michael Gabbay]

good idea. won't need it this time:) .. sort of a light weight machine under 2000 lbs
lou

Under 2000 pounds!!! It definately is a handheld maybe even a cordless. :D

[tod evans]

so lou have you done any pull-ups to check out your beam? perhaps lifted a volkswagon for entertainment? tod

[Ed Labadie]

Uh....Lou....I'm in awe.
That is one awesome shop.

Ed

[lou sansone]

so lou have you done any pull-ups to check out your beam? perhaps lifted a volkswagon for entertainment? tod

I think what I will do it to put in series with my chain hoist a load cell ( device that measures the total load of the item ) to weigh the old machine and the new machine.

lou

[Julio Navarro]

Check the deflection of the cross members holding up the beam, bolt/clamp/glue/nail a stick horizontally while having a verticle stick/rod sitting on the floor extending up past the horizontal stick to guage any deflection of the supporting cross members as you put load on the beam.

[lou sansone]

Check the deflection of the cross members holding up the beam, bolt/clamp/glue/nail a stick horizontally while having a verticle stick/rod sitting on the floor extending up past the horizontal stick to guage any deflection of the supporting cross members as you put load on the beam.

great idea. .I have used this method before for heaver machine without any problem and I have done the stress calculations as well from a mechaical engineering stand point. Both show pretty good margin for a 2000 lb. lift. Thanks for the suggestion

lou

[Julio Navarro]

Just out of curiosity, Lou, how will you move the machine once it is raised? I imagine you have a chain and wench. Does the wench have rollers or a track?

Ive seen beams on a track in manufacturing plants, is that what you are planning?

And what exactly are you going to move?

[lou sansone]

The bridge crane is only for lifting. I will lift a machine I am selling in the air about 4' and then back my flat bed truck under it. Sounds risky, but I have done it plenty of times. Once the truck in squarly under it, I lower the machine into my truck and take it away to someone who is buying it.

I will then return with a new machine in the back of my truck and back under the beam. I center the beam under the load, finish cross bracing it so it cant tip or bow, and then raise the machine off the bed of my truck by about 3 ". The truck is then driven out from under the machine. The machine is lowered back down to the floor and put in a pallet jack and moved around in my shop into the right location. it is pretty easy to get it off the pallet jack with a johnson bar.

what am I getting ? ;)

that will have to wait for another day

lou

[tod evans]

lou, when i pulled my equipment in i built a mobile bridge crane that sat on boxed 2x6`s it was a piece of 10x5x3/8 i- beam, i attached two block&tackles to the beam and used electric winches to lift the equipment off the trailer. i was able to singlehandedly unload all my equipment without need for a fork lift. once on the floor i scoot `em around using the same winches by anchoring them with concrete sleeve anchors. the scooting won`t work so well on your floors though:)

so by using the powers of deduction; you`ve said the doors are 9`, most 1-ton flatbeds are about 4-4 1/2 feet off the ground this means we`re looking at an object 4-5 feet tall in order to get through the doors..... how about you`ve decided to give up solid wood construction and have purchased an edgebander? or maybe a cnc with the gantry removed?....02 tod

[lou sansone]

lou, when i pulled my equipment in i built a mobile bridge crane that sat on boxed 2x6`s it was a piece of 10x5x3/8 i- beam, i attached two block&tackles to the beam and used electric winches to lift the equipment off the trailer. i was able to singlehandedly unload all my equipment without need for a fork lift. once on the floor i scoot `em around using the same winches by anchoring them with concrete sleeve anchors. the scooting won`t work so well on your floors though:)

so by using the powers of deduction; you`ve said the doors are 9`, most 1-ton flatbeds are about 4-4 1/2 feet off the ground this means we`re looking at an object 4-5 feet tall in order to get through the doors..... how about you`ve decided to give up solid wood construction and have purchased an edgebander? or maybe a cnc with the gantry removed?....02 tod

nice try tod .... :D

you will just have to wait

lou

[Andy Hoyt]

Lou - You're gonna have to re-name this thread to something like, "Lou's House of Tool Porn and Far-Too-Long Foreplay"

[Paul B. Cresti]

I got it,,, I got it... Lou is getting milling machines, a cast iron furnace, cast iron molding machines and he will now be MAKING woodworking machinery. He has formed a secret alliance with Dev, Tod, Bill S and Reg..... I will go on the record as saying I am customer #1 on the list.....So what are you building me and when will it get here???

[Dev Emch]

I got it,,, I got it... Lou is getting milling machines, a cast iron furnace, cast iron molding machines and he will now be MAKING woodworking machinery. He has formed a secret alliance with Dev, Tod, Bill S and Reg..... I will go on the record as saying I am customer #1 on the list.....So what are you building me and when will it get here???

No, not me.

But for Lou, I am envisioning Lou doing the American thing. Tearing the arms out of an English Buckingham Pallace Guard's Uniform and wearing the the big furry black beaver fur hat with his bare arms showing. Just hope he spares us the view when he raises his arms.:D

[randy street]

Lou,

Did you ever get the piece you built this for?

Regards

Randy

[lou sansone]

Lou,

Did you ever get the piece you built this for?

Regards

Randy


gee

I was wondering when someone was going to ask this question :)

Randy and others, I will be posting a little tour in a week or so about the new addition that I have had plenty of time to fool with.

Lou

[randy street]

I've read the thread a couple of time and meant to ask earlier.

I'm sure we will all like it.:)

Regards

Randy

[tod evans]

gee

I was wondering when someone was going to ask this question :)

Randy and others, I will be posting a little tour in a week or so about the new addition that I have had plenty of time to fool with.

Lou



another week???????? tease!

[randy street]

Lou,

We are all waiting....;) :D

Regards

Randy

[lou sansone]

hi randy
thanks for the reminder .... I should get a chance next week.

lou

[Jim O'Dell]

Lou, you're killing us!!! And I only read this for the first time today :D ...feel sorry for the guys you've been stringing on for 6 months!!:eek: Jim.

[Scott Weiss]

Are we there yet??? Huh? Huh? Are we there yet????????

[Rob Russell]

Shop addition prediction - MM slider. Knowing Lou, ST4 Elite.

[lou sansone]

sorry folks, its going to be another week due to my day job getting in the way.

lou

[Jon Shively]

Beautiful shop. I am in awe and also proud to see someone achieve their dream and live it. You are to be commended. Also anxious to hear/see what you are moving in.

[Jerry Strojny]

Darn day jobs......the suspense is going to kill me.......deep breaths, deep breaths........ok, I fine now.

[Jerry Olexa]

The suspense builds....(drum roll):) :D

[John Renzetti]

Hi Lou, I haven't posted much recently, just haven't had time, but did catch this thread. Congrats on the MM addition. I don't think you've said what model it is so I won't tell. I always thought you'd get one of those big old Northfields or old Martins.
take care,
John

[randy street]

I was holding off posting, I didn’t want to get classified in the "Nag" category.:D :D

The suspense is killin me...

Randy

[John Hedges]

Hi Lou, I haven't posted much recently, just haven't had time, but did catch this thread. Congrats on the MM addition. I don't think you've said what model it is so I won't tell. I always thought you'd get one of those big old Northfields or old Martins.
take care,
John

Well, I guess that lets part of the cat out of the bag. (I'm guessing an S40)

[John Hedges]

Did I miss something. I just remembered this thread and decided to check back to see what the item was.......

[Roy Wall]

Shop addition prediction - MM slider. Knowing Lou, ST4 Elite.

I also agree.