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John Hedges
02-10-2006, 2:18 PM
I have been lusting after a larger jointer for a while now. When I got into
woodworking a year and a half ago I bought a 6" GI which, while it served its
purpose well, I often found myself ripping boards then prepping them and gluing them
back up. I always figured one day I would get a 10" (perhaps an Oliver or such),
but when the Grizzly came out with the 586 last year it got me thinking. Then
when I saw the 490 I couldn't resist and ordered one at the beginning of this year.

It arrived late Wednesday. It was delivered by Fedex who were
great. They had a pallet jack and wheeled it right into my garage.

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The jointer arrived in 2 boxes. A cardboard box contained the base (with motor attached,
pedestal switch, and wheel assembly. The other was a solidly built wooden crate, with the jointer
bed bolted to the bottom and the fence and the rest of the parts packaged securely in thick
styrofoam. The first thing I noticed was that this seemed to be packaged very well.

Now before I go on (and people see the rest of the pictures) let me explain. LOML agreed that one
of the cars would now go outside and free up shop room so I didn't have to wheel this beast
around. 2 nights before the jointer arrived a neighbors car was broken into during the night,
so LOML insisted that I put the car back in the garage for a few nights. But it is headed back
outside very soon.

After putting the base together and opening up the crate I tried to lift the bed to see how heavy
the bed assembly was and was shocked that I could not lift it on one side by myself (no I did not lift
from the end of the table), so I started walking the neighborhood to enlist the neighbors for help.
I found 2 other dads (who were kinda excited to check out the new toy) and we tried to lift. That is
when one of them noticed that the bed was bolted to the bottom of the box (which I was standing on
when trying to lift it initially), boy did I feel like an idiot. After removing the shipping bolts the
three of us were easily able to lift the bed onto the stand (2 relatively strong people should have no
problem with this).

Putting the jointer together was a very simple and straightforward process which should take about an
hour and a half working at a moderate pace. All of the predrilled holes were right on the money and all of
the attachments were accurate and easy to align. After an hour or so everything was assembled and
with only the wiring left to do, at which point my services were required elsewhere for dinner with the
family, correcting homework, bedtime stories etc. so the final wiring had to wait until last night (the
kids bedrooms are directly above the garage so once they are in bed work in the shop has to cease.

During assembly I noticed the following -
The finished parts of the castings looked good. The bed had a few (very small)
cosmetic scratches, but the fence was very nice. By cosmetic I mean that you couldn't see any gaps under
a straightedge and you could not feel the scratch with your finger, it was only visible, the bed in general
has been ground to a very nice smooth flat finish.

The bed and fence were dead on true (as checked with a straightedge not a dial indicator). It was nice
to see that the fence was very true when set at 90 degrees along its entire length. My previous jointer
(which was a very nice machine for a 6") had a first fence which was not true. If I set it to 90 at the middle
with a square, the ends of the fence were out of alignment by about 1/16th of an inch. General replaced
that fence with one that was better but it was still not completely true. It is nice to see that Grizzly
produced such a large fence that is true across its entire length (oh yeah did I mention how tall the fence is,
this will be REALLY nice when edge jointing). The unfinished parts of the casting on the sides of the bed
are comparable to other machines in this class that I have seen, however, the unfinished parts of the fence casting
were a little rougher,

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Also one of the sides of the fence looked like it had an impression of the styrofoam on it. Not sure how
concerned I should be about this. Probably just contact Grizzly for some touch up paint. Just curious as
to how it got like that though.

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The fence had some nice touches also which I cannot remember if they were also included on the DJ20. First is a
height scale on the outfeed side of the fence. Not sure how useful this is, but it will show the dimensioned height
of the board after a jointing pass, so nice touch Grizzly.

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Also a decal is attached to the top of the fence which indicates where the cutterhead is. Again not sure
if this is a carryover of the DJ20 but this is a useful touch for me as I marked the top of my old fence
with a pen so I knew where to start applying pressure when switching over hands on a longer jointing operation.

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Overall, the Fence assembly is exactly like the DJ20 in respects to how it is adjusted and tightened. Not sure
how much I like this over a more traditional fence setup, only time will tell. The one thing I immediately noticed
is that when I use the adjusters to set it back to 90 it is dead on (this is nice). The sliding mechanism is very smooth.
Since I leave the fence at 90 deg most of the time and just slide the fence back and forth, I am very pleased with the
smooth sliding action. One last note when attaching the fence to the bed assembly. When attaching the fence base
sliding support be sure to make it level with the table on both sides before tightening the screws. If you just attach it
before looking at how the slider mounts to it, you will probably set it too low and have to redo it (DAMHIKT).

Another word about assembly is when you put the belt on. The vertical mounts for the motor have 3 or 4 long slots predrilled
into the rails (see below). When mounting the belt you are supposed to loosen the screws which hold the horizontal motor
mount bars to the vertical ones, then push the motor up, loop the belt onto the flywheel and then lower the motor. The
problem is that the motor comes mounted so that the cross members are bolted into the vertical supports at the top of
one of the slots, so it cannot be raised without moving the horizontal mounts to the next slot on the vertical support.
However once the belt is on you need to slide it down so it is positioned on the lower slot to properly tension the belt.
So I had to leave it in the lower slot and muscle the belt around (and this took some serious effort) then adjust the horizontal
mounts downward. My advice would be to just buy a link belt and size it so it is easy to attach the belt when the
horizontal mounts are at the top of a vertical slot and then adjust downward. The other thing I noticed was that the vertical
supports had a slight bow to them. Not sure if this is intentional as both sides looked like they had the same amount of bend,
and the top of the stand is level, but it does look strange.

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On the Bed Assembly the book list some steps which involve attaching parts which are already attached
at the factory, like the rabbetting ledge, which was a nice surprise.

One other surprise during assembly was that the unit came with a preattached cord. Usually units running on 220 do not
have this, and in fact when I talked to a Grizzly rep on this before ordering he checked and informed me that it would not
come with a cord. I had to detach the cord anyway to attach a longer one I had already made to fit the twist lock plug I had
installed, so this did not matter, except that I was able to see how the old one was wired into the magnetic switch box. That
was nice and reassuring when you are as electrically inept as I am. For anyone wanting to use the stock plug, I have attached
picture below (sorry bout the low quality photos, as my good camera is having trouble, so I had to use our lower quality "travel"
camera). The plug has 2 horizontal prongs and a ground.

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To complete the talk about fit and finish there were a few other points. Everything looked and felt very nice. However, the
stickers which spell out the model number were not even. Note the offkilter 9. Again this is nothing that will affect the
performance of the unit, so I really dont care. The attachment of a real plackard for the Grizzly monogram was very nice
in light of how most manufacturers just attach stickers these days.

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All the handles and knobs are big and easy to grab. This is an area where Grizzly really did a nice job of keeping
with the DJ20's good points.

John Hedges
02-10-2006, 2:19 PM
Another nice feature were the pushblocks which are offset and very comfortable in the hand and seem very durable. Again
not expected and a very nice touch.

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The cutterhead guard is easy to attach and very heavy duty (again kuddos to Grizzly on this, as I have heard Oliver 10" jointers
are coming with rather flimsy guards). While the guard is nice and heavy the spring action is a bit lazy for my taste. I
much prefer a guard return with a little more snap. It is very much like the action on the DJ20's I have played with in
the stores.

A quick note about the built in casters. These are a nice feature on this machine, it still takes some oomph to change
directions when moving this machine but I think that has to do with something called momentum. One issue I have is that the
retractable wheel is easy enough to activate with the foot, but the only way to disengage it is to put your toe under it and
push up. The result on a machine this heavy is a big THUMP when the adjustable feet hit the ground, so I have taken to
reaching down and gently lifting the lever by hand to avoid this.

One last note is that the bed material around the cutterhead is a different metal than the cast iron on the rest of the bed (as
shown in the picture below). Not sure why they did it this way, or if this is how the DJ 20 is, but it is just something
I thought I'd mention.

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Something that really jumped out at me when assembling this machine is the massive size of the cutterhead.
It is listed at 3 and 3/16 inches, the 586 is listed at 3". From what I understand this should provide a very smooth
cut as the knife will approach the wood at a less steep angle. One note which I thought was interesting was that the
DJ20 cutterhead is listed at 3 3/8 (slightly larger). I wonder if their measurements take into account the knife
projection above the head or not.

Now onto the important stuff. I only had a few minutes before work this morning to finally fire this sucker up and run
a few boards. I plugged it in and turned it on, and to my surprise nothing blew up (guess my wiring job was OK). Immediately
I noticed that the machine is not a soft start motor (ha ha) cause the thing gave a bit of a jump with the 3hp motor and then
settled nicely into a smooth low hum. No I didn't balance a nickel on the table, maybe I'll remember next time, but I will
say there wasn't any noticable vibration. The noise level was pleasantly quiet. It was much less noticable than my old
6" 1hp motor, but that may be because the noise was lower in tone. I could not hear the machine over my DC which is a fairly
quiet one. I may install some rubber grommets to the motor mounts to reduce the jump at startup and replace the stock belt
with a link belt (as stock belts tend to obtain memory which can lead to future vibration), but there is no real need to do either.

Next (with the depth scale set to 1/16ths I ran an 8" wide piece of cherry through and the thing didn't wince. Next I set the
scale to 3/16ths and ran a 7.5" wide piece of hard maple through with the same result. I noticed that if I went at a very fast
pace I would get a very slight visual ripple (couldnt feel it though), but if I went to a moderate pace the result was a very
nice finish, that may require a quick pass with a ROS (not used to that kind of finish from a jointer).

Next I edge jointed the 2 boards and (OOOOOOOOOOOO MAN) that tall fence was nice for support. I am reeeeaaallly gonna like that
feature.

Anyway these were just some notes from the setup and initial impressions, your mileage may vary, but I am initially very
impressed with the performance and value of this machine.

As I said I haven't had a chance to put it through it's paces yet, but it's handled everything I've thrown at
it so far (sorry couldn't resist that one)

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Just wish I had this before I did my last project, cause I sure could a used it on the posts.

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Mark Rios
02-10-2006, 2:27 PM
VERY nice John....and VERY cool. Congrats on the new tool.. Great job with the review. Thanks very much.

I really like the Grizzly logo plates too. I wish I could have removed one from one of my machines before I sold them. :D

WTG!!!

Jim Becker
02-10-2006, 2:32 PM
Thanks, John. Great initial review!

Michael Disorbo
02-10-2006, 2:53 PM
Wow, thanks for the review you did a super job. Do you work for Grizzly:eek: Just kiddin!! Hey how smooth did the infeed table go up and down, was it as smooth as the DJ 20? Also, what are your thoughts about that sweet infeed table length? Boy, I can't wait for mine. You guys on the west coast have it made being so close to China:D

Michael

David Duke
02-10-2006, 3:01 PM
Good job on the review John and I'm not talking about all the good comments on the Griz, you have made an honest attempt to give your appraisal of the machine and I appreciate that. I've been contemplating a new jointer but never have used one that much because all I have is a 6" Cman and don't get the quality I want, you have given me something to think about.

Thanks again

John Hedges
02-10-2006, 3:03 PM
No don't work for Grizzly, if I did I'd probably have a lot more tools. I have always been leary of mail order tools from a support standpoint so this is my first Grizzly tool, but probably wont be my last. The table adjustment is exactly like the DJ20, super smooth and easy to adjust. As far as the infeed table length, this seems to be a matter of opinion. On my last few projects, particularly on the bed I just finished, I really noticed the need for longer support on the infeed side, whereas the outfeed side was not as important. So for me that is a great feature of this design (especially with limited shop space. Others will disagree that the tables should be symetrical. Oh well thats why there are multiple jointer types on the market.

Jim O'Dell
02-10-2006, 3:05 PM
Thanks John! That is a great review on the assembly. Very detailed. I appreciate the time it took for you to put this together. Make some dust, man and have fun!! Jim.

Keith Hooks
02-10-2006, 3:36 PM
That was a really great review. Thanks a lot for posting. Make sure to keep us informed as you get more use out of it.

Rob Blaustein
02-10-2006, 4:32 PM
John,
I'll echo what others said--suberb review, and thanks for taking the time to write and post it. I'm waiting for mine, and your notes will be very helpful to me--I always find putting these things together takes a lot more time than I think it should. There's always one thing I end up doing in the wrong order that makes me have to undo stuff.

Your piece about not being able to lift the bed is classic and precisely the sort of thing I would do.

Thanks again.
Rob

Russ Massery
02-10-2006, 4:32 PM
Thanks John, for a great review. I can't wait now till mine gets here.:D

Jay Knoll
02-10-2006, 5:36 PM
John

Thanks for the great review, I've got one on order and am "just waiting for the call" Grizzly replied to an email inquiry regarding the status of the order and said that stuff would be shipped on Feb 23! Guess you're one of the lucky ones and got your machine quickly.

I went back and forth on whether I should but a DJ20 or the Grizzly clone, your review has helped calm my jitters about buying a new design/new production machine.

Jay

Howard Norman
02-10-2006, 6:24 PM
I checked with Fedex in Phoenix about an hour ago and my G0490 is on a truck somewhere around Prescott this afternoon. Supposed to be delivered yet today.

Keeping my fingers crossed since it isn't that easy to find this place.

Howard

Craig Zettle
02-10-2006, 7:08 PM
Thanks John, you obviously went to a lot of trouble to tell us all those important details. ( I am a Feb. 23rd guy too) I too agonized over the DJ20 vs the Griz and you, combined with some out of control bidding on Ebay have made me feel better about my decision.

Kent Parker
02-10-2006, 7:23 PM
John,
Very detailed as I would expect from an engineer;) Thanks for the Grizzly story and photos. Looks like a great new tool.

Given that your from Sacto, ever hear of Robert E. Young Engineers? My father and Bob started the business after he retired as City Engineer of Sacto.

Cheers,

Kent

John Hedges
02-10-2006, 7:36 PM
Kent, sorry I guess I should be more specific on my user profile. I am a computer systems engineer. That name does sound familiar though.

Howard, glad to hear your machine is due to arrive today. Good luck, I think your going to really like it.

Allen Bookout
02-10-2006, 7:47 PM
John, It would have been so easy to just play with your new jointer and forget about all of us that are waiting and wondering. You did not do that and in fact took the time to post a very detailed report that took a certain amount of effort. I am sure that I speak for the majority of us that are anxious to get a report on this unit when I say that it is GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!

Sounds like that it might turn out to be a very good machine. The only thing is that I cannot stand anything that is crooked so if that GO490 is not on straight, OFF IT COMES. Then everyting will probably be OK.

Thanks again! Allen

Jerry White
02-10-2006, 8:30 PM
John, thanks for an informative and well written review. I have been very curious about the G0490, just waiting for someone to give us such a review. I happen to own the DJ-20. It looks like yours is the same machine except for a few enhancements, such as more horsepower, a pedestal mounted magnetic switch, along with a fantastic price!

By the way, the aluminum inserts on the tables next to the cutter head is a feature of the DJ-20 also.

Congratulations on your new machine.....:)

John Hedges
02-10-2006, 10:21 PM
Jerry, any idea what the advantage to the aluminum inserts on the tables next to the cutter head is?

Russ Massery
02-10-2006, 10:30 PM
Delta say's there for better chip control. I've been looking at the delta web site. At the owner's manual in PDF form. That's the only thing it states about them. I'll say this the G0490 in diffently a "clone" There's very little difference.

Scott Coffelt
02-10-2006, 10:54 PM
Sold my 6" Jet and will be placing an order for my G0490 soon, glad to start seeing them come in.

Jerry White
02-10-2006, 11:18 PM
Jerry, any idea what the advantage to the aluminum inserts on the tables next to the cutter head is?

John, according to my manual, those parts are called chip deflectors. I can find no mention in the manual as to their intended purpose. However, I THINK I remember reading somewhere that those a made of soft material in the event they ever come in contact with the cutting head or in case debris is wedged between them and the cutting head. They are replaceable should their edges ever be damaged.

Jerry

Allen Grimes
02-10-2006, 11:44 PM
Wow, John,

I was expecting you just to put that you liked it or disliked it, with a few key features pointed out. I guess I just didnt expect much because you were a newbie in terms of post count. I have to say though, John, you blew me away. This review was ten times more than I ever could have asked for on a woodworking forum, and I appreciate it immensely.

You may be newer than me, but you have already contributed much more to this forum than I have with this thread alone. You deserve a medal or something for such a well written detailed review.

Thank you

Allen Bookout
02-11-2006, 12:34 AM
Sold my 6" Jet and will be placing an order for my G0490 soon, glad to start seeing them come in.
I don't know why but it takes my orders a couple of months longer than anyone elses to arrive. I must have really hacked the tool gods off. This is my first tool order from Grizzly so we will see how this goes. I ordered my GO490 on the fifth of January but I am holding off selling my baby Rigid 6" jointer until the unit actually gets here. If you will wait until the first of March to order I will race you.

Allen

Herb Kelley
02-11-2006, 6:48 AM
John,
Thanks for your great review. I am another woodworker waiting for the call from Grizzly. Like it is Christmas and I am anxiously watching the other kids opening their big present and and hoping mine it is as neat and exciting as theirs.

My plan was/is to pick it up at the Springfield store.
Have to pay sales tax either way, get to visit the store and not have to worry about shipper damage. Given your experience, for $65 and lift gate service I am reconsidering and am tempted to have it shipped. Any thoughts?
I would be interested in crate dimensions and if you think it is a carry home item.

Herb

Allen Bookout
02-11-2006, 8:38 AM
Herb,
You might want to check shipping charges for you. I am being charged the normal $85 plus $32 for the lift gate. They told me the lift gate charge varies from carrier to carrier. Is there a lower charge for instate deliveries? That would only be fair considering that you have to pay sales tax.
Allen

Rob Blaustein
02-11-2006, 9:28 AM
Herb,
You might want to check shipping charges for you. I am being charged the normal $85 plus $32 for the lift gate. They told me the lift gate charge varies from carrier to carrier. Is there a lower charge for instate deliveries? That would only be fair considering that you have to pay sales tax.
Allen

Yes, the shipping charges went up a little while ago--I am also paying that, and a similar amount for lift gate service, a must for me as I can't coordinate a few helpers on short notice.

Michael Disorbo
02-11-2006, 9:43 AM
Howard, did you 490 get there in one peice??

Marcus Ward
02-11-2006, 11:16 AM
If you loosen the vertical support bolts, then loosen the set screw on the pulley, you can slide the pulley off, slip the belt over it, and slide it back on. The tension it with the vertical support bolts. At least, that's how it seems. :)

Herb Kelley
02-11-2006, 12:14 PM
Allen,

Thanks for the wake up.
Wow! At those prices I will be doing a pick-up.
Grizzly store and Bass Pro are great places to spent time and money.

I have a 2 ton folding engine crane for lift off.

The shipped price spread between a G0490 and G0586 is only $45.
With the included mobile base, the G0490 is cheaper.
A parallelogram for less!

Rob Blaustein
02-11-2006, 12:30 PM
The shipped price spread between a G0490 and G0586 is only $45.
With the included mobile base, the G0490 is cheaper.
A parallelogram for less!

Yes, and I suspect those who were looking at the G0586 (like me) were swayed by this logic. The G0586 is a rather new machine as well. Despite the excellent write-ups here and in FWW, I wonder, as Grizzly probably is, how many of these Grizz will sell vs the G0490.

Jim O'Dell
02-11-2006, 1:11 PM
John, I just thought of a question I wanted to ask you about the setup. On the mobile part of the base, I see the single wheel looks like a swivel caster, but can't tell about the 2 wheels on the left side. If I get this unit, I need the unit to roll "sideways" out from the wall. It will be in a semi tight space, and I don't think I could rotate it out if it is flush against the wall when not in use. Thanks for any insight you may have on this question!! Jim.

tod evans
02-11-2006, 1:16 PM
well written review john! .02 tod

John Hedges
02-11-2006, 2:18 PM
Alan etal, Thanks for the kind words, I have learned so much from this and other forums in my short time woodworking that I was just glad to contribute. Since I was the first one I had heard of to receive one of these machines I thought it was a good opportunity. Thanks for all the info I've received from all of you.

Jim, The 2 rear wheels are fixed and only move laterally, so if you park it up against a wall, you wont be able to pull it straight out. Also the fence mechanism does stick out the back quite a ways.

Jim O'Dell
02-11-2006, 3:21 PM
..........
Jim, The 2 rear wheels are fixed and only move laterally, so if you park it up against a wall, you wont be able to pull it straight out. Also the fence mechanism does stick out the back quite a ways.

John, thanks. Would it be possible to mount the wheels 90 degrees off? Or do they only go in one way? If you don't know, that's fine. Most normal people would never look for a wrong way to assemble a product!!:eek: :eek: :eek:
And I'm not so worried about the bed being flush against the wall, it's just that I won't have much lateral space for moving the unit out from the parking space, and with the length of the beds, I would be destroying the wall trying to unparallel park it!! Jim.

John Hedges
02-11-2006, 6:11 PM
Jim, not sure about remounting the fixed wheels, I never really looked at them when I had the covers off. I'll try to check later, right now it's my daughters BDay party and if the wife catches me in the shop, I'd be a dead man

Jim O'Dell
02-11-2006, 6:23 PM
No problem, John. Family comes first. I'm in absolutely no hurry. It is more of long term thing for me. If I get a jointer this year, it will be toward the end of the year. Information by next week would be fine!! I mean that!!!!!! Jim.

Howard Norman
02-11-2006, 11:09 PM
My G0490 didn't arrive yesterday. I am not surprised. Freight trucks have a way of being delayed by several days out here. Maybe Monday.

Howard

Russ Massery
02-11-2006, 11:40 PM
Sorry to here that Howard. I for one would still like to hear your " Initial Impression" when you receive your unit.

Allen Bookout
02-12-2006, 3:24 AM
Howard, That had to be a real dissapointment. Must be some kind of area that you live in. All of the members might have to get togeather and come out there to see you someday--------that is if we could ever find it. Sounds like a real neat place to live other than a few problems caused by the remote nature of the place. Allen

P.S. Are any women willing to live out there? Could be good---could be bad.

Howard Norman
02-12-2006, 11:39 AM
Allen

The non delivery was kinda expected. It has happened before. I do live in a beautiful place. And yes women do live here. There are many couples that live here. Not too many children since the school buses don't come out here. The children that I know of who live here are home schooled. There are about 600 homes in the area with most of them being summer homes. I would guess that the permanent population is about 300 with that swelling to over a thousand in the summer time. That is in a 21 square mile area.

I will report my initial impressions when the G0480 arrives.

Howard

Allen Bookout
02-13-2006, 11:52 AM
I talked to Grizzly this morning about another small order that I made and asked them about the projected delivery time for my GO490 and they said the last of February or the first of March. Who knows if it will hold up or not but it looks like that the Florida and probably the east coast deliveries may be as originally projected.

Something about the watch pot and boiling water. Seems to hold true. Allen