Japanese mortise gauge ID

[Ned Otter]

I bought this gauge close to 15 years ago, don't remember what I spent, who made it, or where I got it from. Tried to use it a short while ago, and didn't have the greatest experience, probably because the piece wasn't clamped (I was just trying out the gauge after a long while). The blades could use a bit of help as well, will be getting to that.

My Kanji skills are non-existent, but perhaps someone can help identify the maker.

515096

515095

Thx,

Ned

[Joel Gelman]

I can't be sure, but I believe Derek posted a picture of his gauge made by Kinshiro and it was discontinued. I have been mostly a power tool woodworker, and am developing more of an interest in hand tools and sharpening. I would be interested in seeing if I can help the blades and develop skill in using it. If you would sell it to me please send me a PM. Thank you.

[David Wong]

You are very lucky. The gauge is indeed made by kinshirou (金四郎). As the previous poster said, discontinued, and holds its value well.

[Ned Otter]

Thanks for confirming, David - lucky indeed!


You are very lucky. The gauge is indeed made by kinshirou (金四郎). As the previous poster said, discontinued, and holds its value well.

[Ned Otter]

Yeah, saw another post of Derek's while searching yesterday, and it's definitely the same make, Kinshiro. I'm in the same boat as you, mostly used machines, but having a strong interest in hand tools. So won't be selling this gauge at this time.


I can't be sure, but I believe Derek posted a picture of his gauge made by Kinshiro and it was discontinued. I have been mostly a power tool woodworker, and am developing more of an interest in hand tools and sharpening. I would be interested in seeing if I can help the blades and develop skill in using it. If you would sell it to me please send me a PM. Thank you.

[Derek Cohen]

I bought this gauge close to 15 years ago, don't remember what I spent, who made it, or where I got it from. Tried to use it a short while ago, and didn't have the greatest experience, probably because the piece wasn't clamped (I was just trying out the gauge after a long while). The blades could use a bit of help as well, will be getting to that.

My Kanji skills are non-existent, but perhaps someone can help identify the maker.

515096

515095

Thx,

Ned


Ned, you lucky fish! Great find. Yep, Kinshiro.

Here is how you use them (from my website) ...

Mark across the width with the mortice chisel, as shown below.
https://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AHandcutMorticeandTenonPrimer-BlindMortice_html_19759670.jpg



To set up the mortice gauge, simply place the ends of the knives (or points) in the ends of the cut. This sets up the cutting width.
https://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AHandcutMorticeandTenonPrimer-BlindMortice_html_m4d3a214c.jpg



Now slide the head of the gauge against the work piece to set its depth. This completes setting up the mortice gauge.
https://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AHandcutMorticeandTenonPrimer-BlindMortice_html_557894d4.jpg



Mark the mortice lines.
https://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AHandcutMorticeandTenonPrimer-BlindMortice_html_m71c7128b.jpg



And then mark the tenons with the same settings.
https://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AHandcutMorticeandTenonPrimer-BlindMortice_html_676286f6.jpg

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Ned Otter]

Thanks, Derek!

Will study what you wrote, thx much for the details --

When I used the gauge a couple of weeks ago, it seemed like the upper blade was scoring much lighter than the lower blade, requiring one to actually apply pressure on the upper blade, which definitely felt wrong. Just took the blades out, and had a look, and can see that the upper blade is slightly bowed, i.e. when turned upside down and place on a flat surface, there is a gap, doesn't lay flat.

This is likely the source if the inconsistent scoring, please let me know if you have any thoughts on how to address it. I can supply more detailed photos if that helps.

Ned


Ned, you lucky fish! Great find. Yep, Kinshiro.

Here is how you use them (from my website) ...

Mark across the width with the mortice chisel, as shown below.
https://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AHandcutMorticeandTenonPrimer-BlindMortice_html_19759670.jpg



To set up the mortice gauge, simply place the ends of the knives (or points) in the ends of the cut. This sets up the cutting width.
https://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AHandcutMorticeandTenonPrimer-BlindMortice_html_m4d3a214c.jpg



Now slide the head of the gauge against the work piece to set its depth. This completes setting up the mortice gauge.
https://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AHandcutMorticeandTenonPrimer-BlindMortice_html_557894d4.jpg



Mark the mortice lines.
https://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AHandcutMorticeandTenonPrimer-BlindMortice_html_m71c7128b.jpg



And then mark the tenons with the same settings.
https://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/AHandcutMorticeandTenonPrimer-BlindMortice_html_676286f6.jpg

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Ned Otter]

As I thought, the top blade seems to be bent up slightly, causing the cutting edge to be a bit higher than the bottom blade, hence the scoring imbalance.

My poor man's feeler gauge of a piece of paper measuring .004 easily slips under the top blade on my jointer table, and does not fit under the bottom blade.

Derek - wonder if you might have any suggestions about how to remedy this.



515174

515175

Ned

[Joel Gelman]

:mad:

https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?307183-WTB-Kinshiro-Mortice-Gauge

So much for the early bird gets the worm LOL. If you ever decide to sell, please let me know. I will pay you well for it.

[Derek Cohen]

As I thought, the top blade seems to be bent up slightly, causing the cutting edge to be a bit higher than the bottom blade, hence the scoring imbalance.

My poor man's feeler gauge of a piece of paper measuring .004 easily slips under the top blade on my jointer table, and does not fit under the bottom blade.

Derek - wonder if you might have any suggestions about how to remedy this.


Ned

Ned, if the bend is the reason for shortening the knife, then "unbend" it. The likely reason for the bend is the gauge being used with a single knife extended quite far, and heavy pressure used. If mine, I would place the shaft over two raised areas and carefully tap with a hammer.

Do not attempt to use a powered source to sharpen the knives. Only do this by hand.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Ned Otter]

Thanks, Derek --

You could be right about why the bend occurred, but have used this gauge very little up until now.

Will give things a try and report back --

Ned


Ned, if the bend is the reason for shortening the knife, then "unbend" it. The likely reason for the bend is the gauge being used with a single knife extended quite far, and heavy pressure used. If mine, I would place the shaft over two raised areas and carefully tap with a hammer.

Do not attempt to use a powered source to sharpen the knives. Only do this by hand.

Regards from Perth

Derek