Move from 15" to Dewalt 13" planer?

[Geoff Crimmins]

Several years ago I was looking for a planer with a helical head for my hobby woodshop. I ended up with a 15" Grizzly because I found a good deal on a used one. It's a nice planer, but it's taking up a lot of space in my small garage for the amount that I use it. I've been thinking of replacing it with a Dewalt 735 with a Shelix head. Is this a crazy idea, or a reasonable way to save space in a small shop? I wouldn't really miss the extra 2" in width, and think the Dewalt might work better on thinner boards, or when I want to take a light cut that would leave marks from the infeed roller with the Grizzly.

[Steve Demuth]

The Dewalt 13" planer (DW735) is marvelous machine, but it is not easy to move around. It weighs nearly 100 lbs, so most people have to put it on a stand and leave it there. With the feed tables (which you absolutely want), it's going to take a minimum of 24" wide by 36" long, on a stand. So, first thing, is to determine whether that actually saves you enough space to be worth the switch.

I have seen at least one person who put theirs under a bench on a platform on heavy duty drawer slides, and just pull it out for occasional use. Has to be a heavy or built-in bench though - again, close to 100lbs cantilevered out there on the slides.

I would also point out that the DW735 is a finish planer, not a wood hogging device. With the shelix head, you won't be able to take more than 1/16" per pass (and with the fat shelix head, probably 1/32 is max). Probably not an issue for people not doing production thicknessing, but you will spend more time feeding boards through than someone with a heavy duty helical "hog" of a planer.

[Jimmy Harris]

Sounds like a solid plan to me. Other than, if you don't use the Grizzly that often, after you sell it (which I presume you will), how much out of pocket are you paying for the DeWalt? And is that amount of money worth it to you for something you don't use that often when you could just get a decent Stanley type bench plane for the few times you need that smoother surface or lighter cuts?

[Patrick Varley]

Agree that the footprint of a DW735 probably isn't that much different than many 15" planers. And it is heavy enough that lifting it with any frequency isn't an attractive idea. Some people also put them on flip-top stands, which does improve space utilization. I have mine on a low rolling cart, so the top of the planer fits under a workbench which saves space. Then I roll it out when needed. While that works, I suspect I can do the same with some of the 15" planers as well. The DeWalt works well enough for me, and I generally feel like I'm in a spot where the incremental gains of a 15" aren't worth buying something new. But I'm always on the lookout for a deal on a used 15". If I found one, I'd trade up.

I guess my opinion would be that I think you'll be giving up more than you gain by going to the DeWalt. If you're looking at trying to take lighter passes and working with thinner stock, it may make sense to consider trading in the planer for a drum sander.

[Stephen Rosenthal]

I’ve had the Dewalt for almost 4 years. Got a pre-Xmas deal on it from Home Depot with the Dewalt mobile stand, extension tables and extra set of blades. It leaves a beautiful finish that requires only a few passes with a smoothing or scraper plane to get it ready for finish application. I use it a lot and have never felt the need to install a Shelix head. In my opinion it’s a waste of money. Approximately 22” x 22” with the tables folded in the upright position.

[Brian Tymchak]

I’ve had the Dewalt for almost 4 years. Got a pre-Xmas deal on it from Home Depot with the Dewalt mobile stand, extension tables and extra set of blades. It leaves a beautiful finish that requires only a few passes with a smoothing or scraper plane to get it ready for finish application. I use it a lot and have never felt the need to install a Shelix head. In my opinion it’s a waste of money. Approximately 22” x 22” with the tables folded in the upright position.

I agree with Stephen. I have a 735 (since 2006) and have thought about putting a spiral head in it. Many say that it runs quieter which is nice, but I've also read that it can burn up a motor because the motor gets no rest with there always being teeth in the wood. It surprises me that as popular as the 735 is, that Dewalt hasn't made a version of the 735 with a spiral head and enough motor to drive it. The planer does an excellent job as is so I decided it wasn't worth it. Having said that tbough, if I get to a point of buying a new planer, it will certainly have a spiral head.

[Christopher Charles]

Hey Geoff,

I just sold my 735 after more than a decade of use. Great planer for small bites. And bloody loud. Like I can hear my neighbor's from about a block away. When his garage door is closed. Also agree with others that you probably won't gain much space unless you can stack on an existing tool/cabinet, etc.

Best,
Chris

[Aaron Inami]

The Dewalt 735 is the best benchtop planer you can buy, but it is screaming loud. It's so loud that you definitely want to were hearing protection if you are using it. There are Shelix/helical heads you can buy for the DeWalt, but I have also seen where the helical head increase the amp draw. Probably the reason DeWalt has not come out with a helical head version.

If you don't use your planer much, I would think about getting a jointer/planer combo. This would replace your current 15" planer and possible your existing jointer if you have one (unless the cost is too high).

[Jim Becker]

I think that the bottom line here is that it's not really going to save you any space because it's so heavy and will have to live on a stand anway. IE, it's not really buying you anything other than maybe the rubber rollers being able to better handle thinner materials. I'll also agree with Aaron that if space is a concern, a jointer/thicknesser combo is often a great solution.

[Steve Demuth]

I wouldn't hard sell anyone on the helical head conversion for the DeWalt, but I am very happy with having done the conversion. I used to go through blades at a pace that I found unsupportable - knicks all the time, and at least on the woods I was planing, they didn't stay sharp very long. Yes, the shelix does load the machine a bit more than fresh, sharp straight blades, but it is not more than worn blades do. And the carbide inserts last and last. I just rotated mine again after nearly 4 years on the same set. Probably had to rotate one during that time due to a knick. At $100/set for the blades ($50 per sharp), the Shelix long ago paid for itself. And it's quieter. And it handles difficult grain with less chip out than straight blades, due to the shearing cut. I like them. Others' have gotten variable mileage.

[Darrell Bade]

Have you used a portable planer? I did for years although not a Dewalt which is supposedly the Cadillac. After having a big iron planer I would never go back unless I had absolutely no choice.

[Carl Beckett]

I have owned the Jet 15" planer (straight knife) 4 post planer for years. I believe may be similar to your grizzly

Now own the Dewalt 735. I slide it off the end of the workbench to a lower shelf to get it out of the way when not in use. It is a 'little' heavy to lift back and forth but not that bad for me.

BUT - hands down - the 15" out worked the 735 in every way. If you have the space, and a helix, I would not change it. Just my opinion.

The dewalt has rubber drive rollers - I prefer the metal corrugated. You are correct though that it sometimes leaves marks. Since you have a helix already, no need to sharpen but I prefer being able to sharpen the old style, thicker blades (a fixture to do this makes quick work). The motor on the Grizzly is going to be quieter.

The Dewalt does have a small blower boost for dust collection built in. And a digital readout is nicely integrated, but that can be done to either.

I ran a lot of wood through the 15", less through the Dewalt but I do not expect the Dewalt to hold up over time as well - it is a more 'modern/consumer' type design approach. (at some point there is going to be cracked/broken plastic, and rubber blooms and gets slick over time).

I got the Dewalt to save space when not in use. It does that. If you are relatively young/strong it can be lifted out of the way. So if the priority is to gain floor space the Dewalt is a great product. Just that that the Grizzly 'may' outperform in other ways. So a tradeoff.

If budget was no object (ha!), you might consider a jointer/planer combo machine to save the space?

[Mark Gibney]

I had a Dewalt 735 for years, then got a Powermatic 100 that I put a helical head in. I kept the 735 for about six months after the changeover but didn't use it and so I sold it. And have never missed it.

It was so loud. It could not do the amount of work I now do.
Can you use a 735 somewhere to experience the sonic assault you'll have to live with every day if you get one?

[Steve Engelschall]

I too have a small shop (1.5 car garage), and everything is on wheels. I built a rolling cart for my DeWalt 735, and it lives under my table saw, out of the way. It's a little too low for comfortable use (gotta bend over too far to use it), but that's the price I pay for having it out of the way.

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[Stephen Rosenthal]

I find all these references to how loud the Dewalt is absolutely ludicrous. Most bench top and stationary power tools generate a lot of noise. Invest in good hearing protection and you’ll barely notice that it’s on.

[Curt Harms]

I think that the bottom line here is that it's not really going to save you any space because it's so heavy and will have to live on a stand anway. IE, it's not really buying you anything other than maybe the rubber rollers being able to better handle thinner materials. I'll also agree with Aaron that if space is a concern, a jointer/thicknesser combo is often a great solution.

Yup, J/P combos can be had with a few different cutterheads including helical. My J/P requires a space 2' X 5' for storage. That gets me a 12" jointer and 12" induction planer both driven by an induction motor so no screaming meeme. Pretty good deal really if you can get past the purchase $$$$ and the change over which is not as big a deal as it's made out to be, at least for me.

[Mark Rainey]

I had a Dewalt 735 for 6 years. A great machine but the screaming sound is obnoxious. When a belt I replaced broke again, I decided enough is enough. I bought a Makita planer for $200 more. It is significantly quieter. I am glad I did.

[Phillip Mitchell]

Regarding noise, the DW735 is among the loudest power tools I have ever used and I have used hundreds. Maybe a step down from jackhammer and modified chainsaw.

I owned one for 6 or 7 years and generally liked it for what it was, but it’s extremely loud and no way it’s going to replace or come close to the production performance of a larger 15” + iron machine. 1/32” passes with hardwoods generally.

Footprint on a stand / cart is very close to a 15” iron machine, so no real space savings unless you have some type of modular/custom storage arrangement. I would not want to be lifting it / having to move it to store it away with any sort of regularity.

I upgraded to a 20” SCM and kept the 735 around for about 6 months, but it just collected dust and I sold it to a friend who uses it for planing thin guitar parts.

[mike stenson]

I find all these references to how loud the Dewalt is absolutely ludicrous. Most bench top and stationary power tools generate a lot of noise. Invest in good hearing protection and you’ll barely notice that it’s on.

I tend to agree. It's loud, there's no denying that. Does there exist a planar that's less than 80db? Then again, I don't have close neighbors either.

[Michael Burnside]

Yea, I think it's mainly a "neighbor" or living inside the dwelling thing, I would assume? I find the dust collector being "too loud" argument as equally absurd if it's just the noise in the shop. Don't skimp on quality ear protection and it's a non issue for the woodworker.

[Mark Rainey]

My Dewalt scream easily goes over 100db when planing wood. CDC recommends DOUBLE hearing protection at that level (https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2018/10/24/hearing-protection/#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20exposed%20to,protection% 20(earmuffs%20over%20earplugs).)

[mike stenson]

My Dewalt scream easily goes over 100db when planing wood. CDC recommends DOUBLE hearing protection at that level (https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2018/10/24/hearing-protection/#:~:text=If%20you%20are%20exposed%20to,protection% 20(earmuffs%20over%20earplugs).)

I wear electronic shooting muffs with about a 30db drop when I use any power tool. But it's a good point.

once you're also adding dust collection etc, it's probably into 'double protection' levels anyway.

[Dave VanDewerker]

My Dewalt is significantly quieter with the Steelex head than with straight knifes, still loud, but not nearly as much.

[Michael Burnside]

I wear electronic shooting muffs with about a 30db drop when I use any power tool. But it's a good point.

once you're also adding dust collection etc, it's probably into 'double protection' levels anyway.

One thing to remember is that dB is not additive, it is logarithmic. So two sources that are both 100dB (pretty rare I think) the noise level would only be a 3dB increase (103dB) from doubling the source power. Any other sources that are lower than this have even less impact. This doesn't take into account wave cancelation.

I can't imagine the DeWalt being that loud, but maybe it is. Ideally you want to be less than 70dB at your ear. I'd say your 30dB hearing protection is actually pretty good, but maybe on the edge for a 100dB tool.

In my shop I measured SPL from my DC and CNC (my loudest tools) which are around 86-88dB and I wear 30dB over-the-ear protection and occasionally a set of Festool plugs that are rated at 25dB.

[Stephen Rosenthal]

I wear electronic shooting muffs with about a 30db drop when I use any power tool. But it's a good point.

once you're also adding dust collection etc, it's probably into 'double protection' levels anyway.

Gonna guess Pro Ears Gold. That’s what I wear. Bought it for the range, now also use it in the shop. Silence is golden. Pun definitely intended.

[Gordon Dale]

Oliver has a benchtop planer with a helical head. The guys at my local woodcraft store prefer it to the Dewalt and claim it is quieter. I have no experience with either machine. Just passing it along as an option.

[Jim Becker]

I find all these references to how loud the Dewalt is absolutely ludicrous. Most bench top and stationary power tools generate a lot of noise. Invest in good hearing protection and you’ll barely notice that it’s on.
The DW735 has been known from the very beginning when it was introduced years ago to be an "exceptional screamer" compared to other portables.

[Mike Cutler]

Several years ago I was looking for a planer with a helical head for my hobby woodshop. I ended up with a 15" Grizzly because I found a good deal on a used one. It's a nice planer, but it's taking up a lot of space in my small garage for the amount that I use it. I've been thinking of replacing it with a Dewalt 735 with a Shelix head. Is this a crazy idea, or a reasonable way to save space in a small shop? I wouldn't really miss the extra 2" in width, and think the Dewalt might work better on thinner boards, or when I want to take a light cut that would leave marks from the infeed roller with the Grizzly.

Geoff
I'm sorry, but I gotta take the opposite position here. Trading a 500lb, 15" planer, for a bench top machine that weighs 1/5 the weight, is not a path I would take.
The Dewalt has been extremely well received since it's inception, and has proved to be a winner, Other than the noise level, everyone loves them, but it is not a replacement for a 3HP, 500lb. planer.
A planer, and a jointer, can never be too big. The amount of floor space requires comes down to the board being run through them.
I would need to be extremely limited on floor space to trade the Grizzly, for the Dewalt.

[glenn bradley]

I think that the bottom line here is that it's not really going to save you any space because it's so heavy and will have to live on a stand anway. IE, it's not really buying you anything other than maybe the rubber rollers being able to better handle thinner materials. I'll also agree with Aaron that if space is a concern, a jointer/thicknesser combo is often a great solution.

This was my experience. The footprint isn't all that different and the 735 isn't really portable.

[Curt Harms]

I tend to agree. It's loud, there's no denying that. Does there exist a planar that's less than 80db? Then again, I don't have close neighbors either.

One thing I've read - don't have and never used a DeWalt 735 - is, if you're using good dust/chip collection, remove the impeller on the integral fan. Doesn't make a huge difference but it helps. The fan is there for people that don't have suitable dust collection. Again, no first hand experience with it.

[Aaron Inami]

One thing I've read - don't have and never used a DeWalt 735 - is, if you're using good dust/chip collection, remove the impeller on the integral fan. Doesn't make a huge difference but it helps. The fan is there for people that don't have suitable dust collection. Again, no first hand experience with it.

There have been several reports of the motor overheating on Dewalt 735 machines where the user has removed the impeller fan.

[mike stenson]

One thing I've read - don't have and never used a DeWalt 735 - is, if you're using good dust/chip collection, remove the impeller on the integral fan. Doesn't make a huge difference but it helps. The fan is there for people that don't have suitable dust collection. Again, no first hand experience with it.

Mines gone, and I've swapped to top ejection. I don't know if it helps with the noise, but I haven't had to reset the overload switch in a while.

[Mark Rainey]

I pulled the fan and noted no difference in sound levels. Perhaps a little less efficient dust collection when hooked up to my Oneida mini-gorilla. I have recorded db levels in the 105 to 108 range when planing wood with the 735 - my family above me would cringe. Great planer that screams.

[Dave VanDewerker]

Also removing the impeller will save about 2 amps, less likely to trip the internal breaker.

[Mike Soaper]

I think it was Jim Toplin in one of his books said he gave up his stationary planer for a benchtop model which he kept in the rafters and lowered with pulleys when he needed it.

[Andrew More]

Unpopular opinion: The DeWalt 734 is just as good as the 735, but at a cheaper cost. The advantages of the 735 (build in eject fan) and two speeds aren't enough to justify the price different, IMHO. The 735's build in dust ejection fan is a nice feature, IF you don't own a dust collector already. Even if you don't, the HF $200 special is going to be a better option. The dual speeds are nice, but not really necessary. In this case the 734 also shaves about 20# off the weight.