No More Retail Sales

[Bill George]

I went to order from Chewabarka this morning for some needed stainless steel tags and now you Must have an account and a Sales Tax exception certificate from your State!! Why? We have no way to collect Sales Tax???

[Tony Lenkic]

Bill,

What shape of stainless tags you need?
I may have an alternate source.

[Bill George]

Bill,

What shape of stainless tags you need?
I may have an alternate source.

If you have the Source please post otherwise I will get from Amazon or Etsy. I can not Believe these people would turn away Retail sales.

[Tony Lenkic]

Try this distributor for C.H. Hanson (original manufacturer)
www.tooldiscounter.com

[Bill George]

Try this distributor for C.H. Hanson (original manufacturer)
www.tooldiscounter.com

That is a Tool supplier I need SS tags.

[Tony Lenkic]

Shop by manufacturer will bring the results you need. Enter in search C.H, Hanson

Try this:
https://www.tooldiscounter.com/search?q=c.h.+hanson+tags&page=10&fp=1641

[Bill George]

Shop by manufacturer will bring the results you need. Enter in search C.H, Hanson

Try this:
https://www.tooldiscounter.com/search?q=c.h.+hanson+tags&page=10&fp=1641

Yes they have tags, but how would a person know as they are not listed under products??

[roger wiegand]

Lots of companies don't do retail, for a wide variety of reasons. The law on interstate sales tax collection has changed and bookkeeping for tracking and paying the hundreds of taxing jurisdictions is more complicated than it used to be. For many companies with small retail sales volumes it's just not worth it. I've seen some companies move to selling only through Ebay because they manage the sales tax problem for you.

Perhaps it's an opportunity for someone to take on their retail franchise.

[Bill George]

Roger I spend thousands of dollars online shopping every year. I can buy off Amazon or eBay anytime I want at lower prices than Chewabarka, I was giving them the business because they are USA based. If they are not smart enough to get setup to collect sales tax its their loss. They are the first and only business I have ran into that does this?? Can you name the ones your talking about?

[Kev Williams]

what kind of "tags"? I have 2 local shops make stainless tags and plates to order, one place is a basic sheet metal shop that laser cuts rectangle tags, with or without holes, I usually use them for high quantity orders, the other place specializes in stainless steel fabrication, they do odd jobs for me, like just last week customer ordered a half dozen 14 gauge (which is fairly thick!) 316 #4 finish SS plates with holes in the corners, they just make up whatever I need to order, prices are more than fair for low quantity stuff, and MY customers are happy I can even meet their needs in the first place. Shops that do water-jet cutting might be an option too...

For basic round 'dog tags' and such, I usually just go thru McMaster Carr- not the cheapest but they sell good stuff and they're reliable...

[Clark Pace]

So I don't know how big the company is you are talking about is but to say that they might not be smart enough. Might not be the issue. As a small business owner myself. I sell to all the states in the US. But it's just me. And taxes sales. Are different in each state and for me to track the taxes of every little city and state as they change. Is almost impossible I would need to hire a full-time accountant just to handle every single little sales. So I like many others sell on Etsy and or ebay because they take the taxes out and do that work for me. So I guess I'm not smart enough because I can't do that in house. Just saying you can't see a company isn't smart enough. And perhaps the retail sales they get are so small it's not worth hiring a full-time accountant and it would be a money loser to do so. So taking no sales tax would be the way to go. And if you are selling enough you should probably get a sales tax exemption anyway as it saves you money. Anyway just a few thoughts don't be too harsh on them without knowing the full details. If you're going to blame anyone blame the government.

[Bill George]

Clark... they said to me, "we don't know how to collect sales tax for every state" and your only required to collect the State tax. Its kept track of by your computer sales system. First time ever I have had a place not know how to sell online? You folks need to go look at their website and just see what they are selling. I have been buying from them since 2013. https://chewbarka.com/

[Mark Sipes]

I went to order from Chewabarka this morning for some needed stainless steel tags and now you Must have an account and a Sales Tax exception certificate from your State!! Why? We have no way to collect Sales Tax???


monroeid.com



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[Mark Sipes]

try .monroeid.com


Any business that sells goods or taxable services within the state of Iowa to customers located in Iowa is required to collect sales tax from that buyer. This will include all online businesses. Any seller which conducts business and has a major presence within the state must collect sales tax in Iowa must pay taxes to the state. Therefore, these sellers required to file for a Sales tax certificate. By not doing so the business may face sanctions or other types of penalties.



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[Bill George]

try .monroeid.com


Any business that sells goods or taxable services within the state of Iowa to customers located in Iowa is required to collect sales tax from that buyer. This will include all online businesses. Any seller which conducts business and has a major presence within the state must collect sales tax in Iowa must pay taxes to the state. Therefore, these sellers required to file for a Sales tax certificate. By not doing so the business may face sanctions or other types of penalties.



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Thanks for the Link and they are very close by in Wisconsin they appear to sell engraved tags, but I have emailed for clarification.

BTW this post was not about paying Sales Tax, if you read carefully they want to only sell to sales tax exempt buyers??? I have purchased recently from vendors who did not charge sales tax and I am wondering out loud who is going to enforce that law??

Added, Just got a reply back from the folks in Wisconsin, and they have no issues selling online and blank tags.

[John Lifer]

George,
I've been buying from Chewbarka since 2017. Not a lot, but I've a couple of customers who are repeat tag purchasers and I buy for them.
I do NOT think you really realize how incredibly difficult on line sales tax collecting is. AND expensive. You think that you just have one rate for each state? NO. In just Arkansas, each municipality can levy a tax. Each county can levy a tax all on top of the base state tax rate. In the month of October alone, there were 18 changes. Since the election this week, a LOT of the counties and cities had ballot measures to change rates. I would expect the next letter to have 50 or more changes. This is JUST little Arkansas. Multiply by 50 states and 100,000 municipalities and counties nationwide. It would be a full time job just to maintain a database of this. And the software is expensive. Yes it only applies to large companies, and I guess Chewbarka has hit that threshold.

[Bill George]

George,
I've been buying from Chewbarka since 2017. Not a lot, but I've a couple of customers who are repeat tag purchasers and I buy for them.
I do NOT think you really realize how incredibly difficult on line sales tax collecting is. AND expensive. You think that you just have one rate for each state? NO. In just Arkansas, each municipality can levy a tax. Each county can levy a tax all on top of the base state tax rate. In the month of October alone, there were 18 changes. Since the election this week, a LOT of the counties and cities had ballot measures to change rates. I would expect the next letter to have 50 or more changes. This is JUST little Arkansas. Multiply by 50 states and 100,000 municipalities and counties nationwide. It would be a full time job just to maintain a database of this. And the software is expensive. Yes it only applies to large companies, and I guess Chewbarka has hit that threshold.

FYI I had a website and sold online for a while, its no big deal to collect the sales tax and if your computer savvy enough you can setup the software. Your only required to collect the State tax, not the city or county for Online sales. If you have an presence in the State you are required to collect city and county taxes.

A little online searching and there is some help for you; https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tips/self-employment-taxes/sales-tax-101-for-online-sellers/L4uTQCaIx

And another....https://business.adobe.com/blog/basics/ecommerce-sales-tax-guide

Or https://www.ecommerceceo.com/online-sales-tax/

[roger wiegand]

Roger I spend thousands of dollars online shopping every year. I can buy off Amazon or eBay anytime I want at lower prices than Chewabarka, I was giving them the business because they are USA based. If they are not smart enough to get setup to collect sales tax its their loss. They are the first and only business I have ran into that does this?? Can you name the ones your talking about?

My local HVAC supplier (Johnstone Supply) sells only to businesses, buying a spray gun from Homestead Finishing I had to go through his Ebay store because of the sales tax thing, my supplier of pipe organ parts will deal only with businesses. There are countless B2B companies that deal only "to the trade".

Sure, it's their loss not to pick up retail sales, but presumably they've done the calculation and it would cost them more to comply with the sales tax laws than they stand to make from those sales. Most folks buying parts in large numbers are presumably doing it for resale and would have the appropriate tax certificate, so they may not lose many sales.

[Bill George]

Sure local business require sales tax, they have a presence in that State.

But FYI there is No Federal law requiring a business selling online to collect sales tax for each State, (yet) unless they have a presence or nexus in that state. State sales tax collection is up to that state not the Feds. Most states have a cut in for tax collection at say $100,000 in sales and that varies, for online sales in that state. Once you apply for a state sales tax permit, that state can audit your books to enforce. But if you don't apply they have not a clue. Chewabarka does not have a clue either, the response from them is RI law requires, and it does not.

Once again instead of relying on heresay or rumors here is one link that explains it better > https://www.avalara.com/us/en/learn/whitepapers/federal-online-sales-tax-legislation-2.html

[Mike Null]

Bill
There are a number of suppliers who do not sell retail. JDS is my largest supplier and they do not sell retail. They have the idea that selling retail is not in the best interest of their customers.

[Mark Sipes]

was not about paying Sales Tax,[/U] if you read carefully they want to only sell to sales tax exempt buyers??? I have purchased recently from vendors who did not charge sales tax and I am wondering out loud who is going to enforce that law??



The I guess you are not a registered business....... Part of your license is a Resales Certificate that provides for purchasing wholesale. But you still need to collect and pay the collected sales tax for all sales within your state..Online or in person.... With a state where most of the tax rates appear to be at 7.0% that can't be that hard to manage..


Glad you looked into the WI tag company. Hope that helps.

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[Bill George]

I buy for example from Aim Surplus, if your a business with a FFL and/or a sales tax permit you pay one price, if your Retail you pay Retail price. Easy and not rocket science. Two prices... very common, and I worked in the HVAC/R trade for many years and have been down that road.

Yes I have purchased from JDS in the past. Does everyone who buys online need to be in business and have a resell permit, I think not?

With less than 1 million in total sales I doubt Chewbarka meets the $100,000 in sales to Iowa :) therefore they are or can be exempt from collecting tax for online sales to Iowa!

There have been Federal level laws introduced to clean up this mess, but as of today its still in limbo. Bottom line the Feds are not going to enforce local and state laws on sales tax or anything else. Amazon and eBay chose to default and collect from everybody in any state, but the laws are so screwed up others can choose not and nothing can be done, unless the State in question wants to.

PS I have a Sales Tax permit and exempt, but since I am no longer active and in business I do not use to beat the system.