Exhausted hand tool worker

[Richard Hutchings]

I'm building a simple table / bench for my recently acquired RAS. I made the legs out of 4x4s I had laying around and squared up 2 sides with my hand planes and finished on the table saw. I did the same to an old 2x4 I had. What a freakin workout!! I did enjoy it, for a while, then I was wishing I had my electric planer that my SIL borrowed or maybe it's time to buy a jointer. I have a 19x38 drum sander so as long as I get close, I can finish on that.

Now I'm on to the mortises and I'm not going to chop 8 mortises so I set up the router. I don't have a plunge router strong enough so I'm using my 1 3/4 HP Porter Cable router in a Bench-dog table. I thought about using spacers to act like the steps on a plunge router but I don't have any material flat enough, may have to make them. I'll need enough 1/8" pieces to stack up to 1 1/4". Is there a better way?

[Mike Henderson]

As far as mortises go, I drill them out with my drill press, and then trim up the sides of the mortise with a standard bench chisel.

Mike

[Richard Coers]

Now you know why old wood shops had apprentices. The masters did not prepare the boards, the apprentices (indentured slaves, LOL) did the heavy work.

[Prashun Patel]

It’s fun to do a couple mortises. Literally a couple. One to practice, the second to perfect. Anything beyond that for me is an elbow danger. Hand tool working is hard on arms and neck - even if one does it right.

I feel you, Brother.

[Richard Hutchings]

That might be quicker.


As far as mortises go, I drill them out with my drill press, and then trim up the sides of the mortise with a standard bench chisel.

Mike

[Warren Lake]

there are mortise attachments for drill presses

[Richard Hutchings]

Never heard anyone say they love them. Plus I have a cheap Ryobi bench drill press.


there are mortise attachments for drill presses

[Andrew Hughes]

A jointer is alot like a handplane. The bigger the better

[Warren Lake]

They work, chisel care most important. I use what i have till I buy a dedicated machine in that case a chain and chisel mortiser. At the time I used a General Drill press and would use the Buffalo 18 now as it much larger. Your drill press forget it.

[Mike Henderson]

there are mortise attachments for drill presses

I tried one of those attachments one time. First, there's the setup and teardown time. And while you have the attachment on, you can't use the drill press as a drill press. Then the arm of the drill press is not very long so you don't have a lot of leverage. While there's a drill bit in the chisel, you really are pushing that chisel into the hole to make a square hole.

I decided it was much quicker and easier (and cheaper) to just drill the holes and use a bench chisel to square things up.

I use a drill bit that's a bit smaller than the mortise, in case I'm not perfect with my alignment of the holes. Then, I just trim the sides with the bench chisel.

Mike

[Jim Becker]

Richard, I truly appreciate hand tools and what they can lend to the process and for me, that's for the finesse work. There's no harm in using powered fit for purpose tools to "get there" and then use the "skilz" for taking things to the proper ending. I'll readily take a hand plane to something I originally cut on my CNC machine...how's that for spanning technologies? :)

[Warren Lake]

set up time? Its part of the trade and it goes fast. Machine I have now I still have to set it up, I still have to change bits.

I was making tables in birdseye at the time. Pre drilling and hand chisel clean out is not as accurate and way too slow. I put a piece of bar clamp for more leverage for the birdseye. Drill press is 40 plus years old and works great still.

Everyone trashes them. I used what I had then the money made from the work paid for the dedicated machine.

[Scott Winter]

I'm still very new to woodworking, but I quickly found out that being a hand tool only woodworker is hard work. It is because of that reason that I've decided to start incorporating power tools to do a bulk of the work, then as Jim said, finesse my material with hand tools as needed.

[lou Brava]

For a large mortise on large parts I've drilled em out with a hand held drill & auger bits using a simple box jig to keep bit plumb/square to the part than cleaned em up with a bench chisel. Works great & pretty quick after you've done the 1st one.

[Todd Trebuna]

There’s only two reasons to use hand tools instead of the powered alternatives…
1. You have no other choice. I.e. you loaned your tools out and you are up against some kind of deadline, wherein, you are unable to wait for them to be returned.
or-
2. You absolutely love them and delight in the process. (My camp).
you sound like you might be in camp 1. ;). (Mostly teasing)

[Derek Cohen]

I'm building a simple table / bench for my recently acquired RAS. I made the legs out of 4x4s I had laying around and squared up 2 sides with my hand planes and finished on the table saw. I did the same to an old 2x4 I had. What a freakin workout!! I did enjoy it, for a while, then I was wishing I had my electric planer that my SIL borrowed or maybe it's time to buy a jointer. I have a 19x38 drum sander so as long as I get close, I can finish on that.

Now I'm on to the mortises and I'm not going to chop 8 mortises so I set up the router. I don't have a plunge router strong enough so I'm using my 1 3/4 HP Porter Cable router in a Bench-dog table. I thought about using spacers to act like the steps on a plunge router but I don't have any material flat enough, may have to make them. I'll need enough 1/8" pieces to stack up to 1 1/4". Is there a better way?

You are such a WIMP, Richard! :)

I am kidding, you do know. My posts and builds have for a few decades included and demonstrated the use of hand tools. Many likely associate my woodworking as that of a hand tool fanatic. But I have always stated that machines are equally important. I did my time with just one machine, a tablesaw, and am still perfectly capable of dimensioning rough timber into perfect boards using hand planes and hand saws. If you read too many fori posts you get the impression that only real men use hand tools - there are so many posers who do not actually build anything.

I own all the major machines, and use them for all the rough preparation. Hand tools are used for making and fine tuning joinery - because I enjoy doing it this way (however, not when there are a dozen mortices. Then I prefer a router). And used for finishing surfaces - because I enjoy doing it this way, plus the finish is far superior to sanding (but I do have and use sanders). As an amateur, the journey is something to enjoy, and I try to do so. But this is only make possible if machines take care of the grunt work.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Richard Hutchings]

Came up with a quick and easy for me, mortising method. Seems to work pretty well for soft woods, may have to use a router bit for hard wood after the drilling. Anyway, I'm happy I found a method that I won't shy away from and fearlessly build with mortise and tenons.

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[Richard Hutchings]

My only problems with hand tool methods 1. Noise from chopping and 2. I have very limited time to get anything done. I only hope that in retirement I'll be able to spend time making dovetails and mortises, I really enjoy doing these things by hand. Dimensioning lumber, not so much, unless it's a jewelry box or something similar. I think I need a planer or jointer or combo. Since I have a drum sander, I think I can easily get by with a jointer and my handplanes for the other sides before running through the sander.


You are such a WIMP, Richard! :)

I am kidding, you do know. My posts and builds have for a few decades included and demonstrated the use of hand tools. Many likely associate my woodworking as that of a hand tool fanatic. But I have always stated that machines are equally important. I did my time with just one machine, a tablesaw, and am still perfectly capable of dimensioning rough timber into perfect boards using hand planes and hand saws. If you read too many fori posts you get the impression that only real men use hand tools - there are so many posers who do not actually build anything.

I own all the major machines, and use them for all the rough preparation. Hand tools are used for making and fine tuning joinery - because I enjoy doing it this way (however, not when there are a dozen mortices. Then I prefer a router). And used for finishing surfaces - because I enjoy doing it this way, plus the finish is far superior to sanding (but I do have and use sanders). As an amateur, the journey is something to enjoy, and I try to do so. But this is only make possible if machines take care of the grunt work.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Jim Becker]

Richard, you may very well be well served by a nice Jointer/Thicknesser combo for general flattening, straightening and thicknessing material prior to continuing with your hand tool work. While I understand you have a drum sander, they are not ideal for actual thicknessing beyond minor adjustments. J/Ps typically have generous width, too, whereas a wide jointer can be as expensive if not more expensive than a J/P combo.

[Richard Hutchings]

Yeah I bought the drum sander for guitar building and it was perfect for that. I just might sell it and get a planer and jointer.

[Jim Becker]

I don't use my drum sander much, but I do use it...and more so with some of my own guitar work. It's particularly needed for thinner stock for any kind of project. My J/P, however, gets a lot of mileage.

[Ole Anderson]

Tiring, yes. Necessary, not anymore. Go back to the times when lumberjacks felled trees with an axe. Swinging an ax all day long. Most of us would last about 5 minutes. I imagine the same can be said of using a plane. Ah, the good old days weren't so good.

[Richard Hutchings]

I don't use my drum sander much, but I do use it...and more so with some of my own guitar work. It's particularly needed for thinner stock for any kind of project. My J/P, however, gets a lot of mileage.
Yeah, there's lots of uses for it and I know I'd miss it. I'll eventually get back to instrument making but right now, I'm enjoying the hell out of building stuff and and getting things done in the small amount of shop time I currently have.

I went down to the shop this morning and laid out 8 more mortises and cut one in 10 minutes. I'll be able to cut all the remaining seven in about 1/2 hour next time I go down there. Now I need to order a dado set to cut the tenons.

[Jim Becker]

Yea, I'm really enjoying the small projects I'm finally back to working on, despite the limitations of my temporary shop for space, so I absolutely understand!

[Scott Clausen]

I guess I enjoy the journey more than the finish line. I like the fact that I don't need eye, hearing, breathing or ear protection. I also like the workout that planing gives me, Lord knows I need the exercise. I find it peaceful using hand tool to complete the task.

[Richard Hutchings]

I enjoy all that stuff as well. My problem is small projects done by hand take me months to complete. Until I can up my time in the shop, I will suffer the machines and get a few things finished. I'll get bored with that and go back and forth on hand tool and machines once I have more time. Maybe I'll never have the time to do all hand tool work. I do have enough time to get some projects done with machinery. 15 minutes to a half hour a day, maybe a couple of hours on the weekend just doesn't lend itself to getting anything done.

[Thomas McCurnin]

I can chop a 3/8" mortise in about 10 minutes. I might suggest you look at a couple videos by Paul Sellers for the proper technique. He does it slowly, chatting instructions, in about 5 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPBkO2chZxk In another video, he makes a wooden guide to keep the chisel at the proper angle and takes about 30 minutes for a through mortise including making the guide. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-08PY3stgo Probably the best video he has which replicates the way I was taught at the Homestead Woodworking School where Sellers taught, includes the proper angle of the chisel and prying out the waste, making a ramp of sorts, which goes really fast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_NXq7_TILA That slightly off 90 degree angle and prying method is used by Frank Klausz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4QnrUCtvgU and Rob Cossman and Matt Estlea.

[Maurice Mcmurry]

In the absence of manual labor the gym has become common. I know quite a few laborers, none of us have seen the inside of a gym since school days. A strong human can produce a few hundred watts of energy for a short time. Hand tools have major limitations. They are important for learning skills and to give workers an understanding of the forces required for various tasks.

[Ron Citerone]

I was taught using machines. I love machines. I reached a point when I learned to sharpen decently and my woodworking really improved. Hand tools have saved my bacon way more than I could have imagined. Now I love hand tools and machines.

[Stephen Rosenthal]

My work involves about 80% hand tools and 20% machines. That’s the time per project using each method, not a breakdown of tasks. The YouTube crowd would call me a hybrid woodworker. I enjoy hand tool work more for the obvious and already stated reasons - dust, noise, safety, etc.

But three things haven’t been mentioned:
1) Regardless of how many times I use a hand tool I either learn something new or improve my skills. The only time I feel that way using a machine is with my scroll saw, an 85 year old Delta 1200. No coincidence that it’s by far my favorite machine.
2) Correcting mistakes. Because hand tool work requires time and frequent measuring/evaluation, it’s easy to spot a minor mistake before it turns into a catastrophe that delays and/or ruins the project.
3) I will only admit this on a woodworking forum, lest people get the wrong idea. I love fondling my hand tools. There’s a warmth and comfort factor using a finely made and tuned hand tool that just doesn’t transfer to machine plug and play work. Now if I were rehabbing old American iron that would be different, but that’s not woodworking per se.

[Richard Hutchings]

Finally got around to finishing my mortise. 16 of them, 3/8x 2 1/2 x 1 3/4 deep. Didn't take long at all with my new method. Now to eek out some time for aprons and stretched and corresponding tenons. Right now, it's on to the honey do list.

[Harold Patterson]

As you get older you appreciate the benefits of a hybrid shop. Machines for the heavy work and hand tools for final adjustments and fitting.

[Thomas Wilson]

I have about 300 bd ft of oak on the floor of the shop ready to mill into stair rail parts. I am thankful for power tools.