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Luke Dupont
12-20-2021, 8:58 PM
This is a bit of a philosophical musing that I wanted to throw out there and get some input on.

I have a ton of hobbies and passions, and I like to compare different approaches.

In fact, I'd say I'm not really a "woodworker" per say, rather, I just like making things out of wood, and learning the traditional skills that go with the craft. But, I couldn't just be a woodworker. Periodically, I also need to find time for pursuing all manner of other interests such as Martial Arts, Computer Programming / Electronics, Metal Working, Leather Craft, Bushcraft and Primitive Skills, and various aspects of Military History and Living History, as well as more academic interests.

As such, I'm really good now at being an amateur, and have a sort of methodology or approach that I tend to take towards any skill. And I see other amateurs and professionals alike, with similar, or very different approaches.

It seems there are four basic ways to achieve any goal, and the prominence of these vary somewhat depending on the nature of the beast in question. But basically, something like this:

1. Knowledge
Knowledge is about "what you know in your head." Knowledge of this sort can be thought of as "book learning" and may be replaced by good instruction, but it's essentially not being ignorant of how to do X and the facets surrounding it. It does not require experience, but some knowledge does come only from experience. Knowledge is knowing what to do, but does not necessarily mean you can do it.

2. Skill
Skill is distinct from knowledge in that you don't merely know something, but you have the ability to perform it. In fact, you may not know what you are doing, or how you are doing it, but you can do it. It is something ingrained and automatic, whether that be muscle memory, intuition, or similar. It's often easy to "know" something, but far more difficult to apply it. It can be thought of as "habit." This sort of thing is extremely important in physical arts and the mechanics thereof. Examples would be, for instance, free-hand sharpening. In arts where one doesn't really have time to think and is under pressure, such as in Martial Arts, this is the single most important factor for success: you must program your body and mind to perceive, and respond intuitively and automatically and with good form, positioning, and body mechanics.

3. Effort
Plain and simple, effort is putting in the time and work to do something. One of the great things I've realized with woodworking is that, perhaps more than many other crafts, patience and effort go a really long way. Lately, I've been taking on somewhat more ambitious projects, and also watching very skilled craftsmen making very intricate furniture far outside of what I would have considered to be my "ability." But in watching them, I realized that it is more a matter of simply putting in the work: that I have all of the basic skills, and that I could in fact do work of the same caliber if I just put in the time. It would take me much, much longer as I lack some knowledge and equipment, but I can make up for that with effort, skill, and research (including asking a bunch of questions to super helpful communities like this one! ;) ).

4. Equipment / Tooling
Equipment can reduce either the skill or time and effort required for a task, and occasionally can even reduce the knowledge required to perform a task by abstracting it completely. Equipment is surprisingly unnecessary, and necessary all at the same time. Our stone-age ancestors, through knowledge, skill, and an enormous amount of effort alone, produced truly amazing stone work across the globe, from early American civilizations, to the Egyptians, Greeks, Chinese, and many other cultures -- often utilizing absolutely huge stones that would be difficult to move even with today's technology and equipment, and cut and fit with surprising precision. Native peoples were able to travel and survive in the wilderness with next to no equipment, enjoying quite casually what would be a life or death situation for a modern outdoor enthusiast.
However, needless to say, in the modern day, because of a variety of constraints (environmental, social, or time wise), many completely primitive methods are not only inefficient, but nearly impossible and impractical due to a lack of space, freedom, or social acceptance and modern standards; others are doable, but require a level of time and devotion that the modern hobbiest cannot often dedicate. And some things are obviously not doable to modern standards without more modern and refined tooling: I can make an incredible bow and arrow with just stone tools, but perhaps not a cabinet that would be allowed to adorn the kitchen or living room ;)

Different arts, and different people within the same art or craft, place a different emphasis on each of these four aspects.

For instance, I quite enjoy bushcraft and outdoorsy pursuits for the skill and knowledge I gain. But some people prefer to abstract all knowledge and skill out of the process, and just rely completely on modern equipment, often not even touching much of anything which is not some synthetic plastic material on their hurried march through the woods. I much prefer to improvise a hammock, start a fire with primitive methods, and enjoy carving and crafting around camp, or foraging and identifying plants and animals on the trail -- a slower, less goal oriented approach, but one in which the journey is more important than the destination.

In Martial Arts, I'm also less concerned with the goal than the process. Some people narrowly limit their practice to the very narrow confines of what works in a competitive, sportive context. I prefer to take a much wider approach, and while I appreciate what one can learn from sports, I recognize that there's much more to it than that, and that a sports based approach is not the right answer for everything. Therefore, I intentionally unspecialize, and practice some things in such a way that is not the most optimal for the ring, but may be of vital importance in other contexts. This sort of point, when it comes to skills and habit, is very often missed in the modern world.

I tend to prefer to rely on acquiring skills and knowledge over equipment, and make up for my lack of experience with lots of effort and time. I'm always doing things "the hard way." In some cases, that way is actually quicker and easier than the generally accepted wisdom; other times, it's harder only until you gain proficient skill. And in some cases, it is, indeed, difficult and time consuming no matter how good you are, though this is not the case nearly as often as people generally think.

Lately, though, as I have far less free time than I did in the past, I've had to confront one truth about all of my work: I am really, really, really slow at any and everything I do. I met a traditional Japanese joiner (sashimono) who impressed upon me the importance of working both to a high standard, and in a timely and efficient manner -- the latter being very important for a professional. People who can work in this way, producing incredible work with only hand tools and traditional methods, but do so in a timely and efficient manner, really, really impress me. I may be able to do the same work, but it would take me a year to do what he could likely do in just a month or even less.

Lately in building my workbench, which I estimated I could do within 3-4 weeks, I have again come to appreciate just how incredibly slow I am. It's taking more like 3-4 months. Even most of you here could have, I'm sure, done the work to both a higher standard, and in far less time!

But, this thread isn't about me lamenting my "slowness" at everything I do. That's just an example, and something I was wondering about (am I too unspecialized? Do I lack the skill required and organization required to be quicker, or the equipment, or perhaps both, and how much can one make up for the other? etc.) What I really mean to talk about is just the different aspects that go into learning and practicing a craft, and the different approaches that people take.

Did I miss anything besides these four points? And what do you emphasize the most? How do you work with your own limitations (be they time, skill, or space/money/equipment)?

James Pallas
12-20-2021, 9:54 PM
Good content Luke. When you get to watch or get personal instructions that helps. Things like knowing when sharp is sharp or how to position yourself for sawing etc. make a great deal of difference when learning.
Jim

Andrew Hughes
12-21-2021, 12:33 AM
We can gain knowledge from watching a video. Sawing,planing or tennis.
To have understanding we must do it. The more we do something the better we get over time. Without thought when it’s just action is bliss.
Good Luck

Warren Mickley
12-21-2021, 8:52 AM
Did I miss anything besides these four points?

Yes. Community.

You need to work with others, to see how they work, to show your work to others, to look at their work, to understand their attitudes, and to view fine work with others who are sensitive and knowledgeable.

On line communities, weekend workshops, and such are helpful, but no substitute for the real thing.

Mark Rainey
12-21-2021, 10:13 AM
Good comment Warren. Community is invaluable, but hard to find in today's society. Luke, talent also helps. Related to skill, but sometimes it is a gift. Talent combined with focus produces amazing things.

Ed Mitchell
12-21-2021, 10:38 AM
I can't say I think the OPs taxonomy makes sense, but I love the effort!

As for the OP's question, "Do I lack the skill required and organization required to be quicker, or the equipment, or perhaps both"

The answer is always 'yes', because we can always improve.


And the other question: "and how much can one make up for the other?"

I think it very much depends on the individual. You'll have to explore your own characteristics to find out for yourself, and I, for one, wouldn't mind being kept up to date on your progress. Maybe a blog?

steven c newman
12-21-2021, 10:38 AM
Have also found that it not so much who MADE a tool....it is more about the person's skill in how to use a tool.

My Dad was a Mechanic. Where some today will need a computer to tell you what is wrong with your car or truck.....he simply asked to go along for a short drive...about a mile or so long....when they would return to his house, he'd was able to tell that person what was wrong with it, and KNOW how to fix it.

Russell Nugent
12-21-2021, 10:50 AM
This reflects less on mechanics and more on how overly complicated/sensor driven vehicles have become.

mike stenson
12-21-2021, 10:54 AM
You wouldn't get the effeciency and reliability without the computer controls.

Packaging aside, it's just as easy to work on modern vehicles than antiques, maybe even more so. I do not miss points, tappets, or synching carbs.

Robert Engel
12-21-2021, 11:14 AM
I think is a reflection of one's personality and desire.

I'm just the opposite - I would rather do a few things and do them well and be a jack of all trades.

That said, ww'ing is to multifaceted, even withing the confines of a project, there a various aspects one might excel at, or prefer, or struggle with.

For me, I love the designing part, but I suck at engineering. I consider myself competent at joinery, I struggle with finishing.

I'd like to hear how you all deal with critical thinking about a completed project. I am rarely ever "totally satisfied" with the one exception of the last project.

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Mike Cornwall
12-21-2021, 11:38 AM
To the OP, you might like this:

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/finite-and-infinite-games_james-p-carse/254999/item/4068911/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAk4aOBhCTARIsAFWFP9GOLmF9xmTN6igrUr3 LxaykSniLGmj6t4C519zgQ9PMBqit7irJ9ywaAoSMEALw_wcB# idiq=4068911&edition=2363383

Jason Buresh
12-21-2021, 1:23 PM
I 100% disagree with this statement. No offense.

I just changed a spark plug and coil pack on my sister's 2011 Dodge journey for her, and I had to take apart the intake, remove a radiator hose to get the plastic intake out from behind the motor, and then when trying to get the spark plug socket out, a 6" extension was too long and hit the fire wall and a 3" extension was too short and was too deep in the well. It took about 2 hours. For one spark plug.

On the other hand, my parents have a 75 Oldsmobile Delta 88 and the spark plugs are easily accessible and are simple to change. I would wager I could change all 8 spark plugs are least 3 times in the time it took me to change one on a modern car.

I get the point that modern cars do not require as much tinkering to keep them on the road, but with all the wires, sensors, and emissions crap that gets shoved in an increasingly shrinking engine bay, they are by no means easier to work on.

And don't even get me started on changing spark plugs in my 05 F150........

steven c newman
12-21-2021, 1:52 PM
When Dad retired, it was from ODOT, as head of Mechanics at DIV 7. It was his job to insure every piece of equipment worked as intended to, and was repaired when needed. He also had a side gig, where the garage at home served as a shop for friends and family to get their cars, trucks and even an old Ford tractor (5N ?) fixed up....he did however hate to work on Volkswagens and Corvairs...with the VW Karmen Ghia being judged the worst to work on.

He also served as a "Straw Boss" so I could learn to do my own repairs. As I recall, we both used the same "verbage" and skinned the same knuckles....


Woodworking? Ind. Arts in High School (68-71) plus a couple Uncles who worked as Carpenters. At one time, the place where my "day job" was, decided we all could use some higher edjumaction at the local JVS...I chose Adult Carpentry.....and, wound up as Assistant Instructor during the course....I was also one of the few that not only showed up for each class, but made it through the entire course.

Everything else in my woodworking is just...Practice, practice, and practice....Always trying something new....never know until I actually try a task, IF I like it.....although, there are a few things I know that are not for me...like carving.
One of these days..I just might get good at doing corners like this..
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With just hand tools....may have to practize a bit more...maybe later today, eh?

Richard Coers
12-21-2021, 2:06 PM
Yes. Community.

You need to work with others, to see how they work, to show your work to others, to look at their work, to understand their attitudes, and to view fine work with others who are sensitive and knowledgeable.

On line communities, weekend workshops, and such are helpful, but no substitute for the real thing.
Community is a recent phenomena created mostly by the internet. I'm of the 1970s woodworkers who toiled away in the solitude of a basement shop reading Fine Woodworking for our knowledge. When a local club was formed, I became the one doing a majority of the demos. You do not need to work with others and absolutely don't need to show the work to others and worst, make a video of you working and begging for subscriptions to your youtube page. A whole generation of craftsman got by just fine with none of that.

Richard Coers
12-21-2021, 2:14 PM
I 100% disagree with this statement. No offense.

I just changed a spark plug and coil pack on my sister's 2011 Dodge journey for her, and I had to take apart the intake, remove a radiator hose to get the plastic intake out from behind the motor, and then when trying to get the spark plug socket out, a 6" extension was too long and hit the fire wall and a 3" extension was too short and was too deep in the well. It took about 2 hours. For one spark plug.

On the other hand, my parents have a 75 Oldsmobile Delta 88 and the spark plugs are easily accessible and are simple to change. I would wager I could change all 8 spark plugs are least 3 times in the time it took me to change one on a modern car.

I get the point that modern cars do not require as much tinkering to keep them on the road, but with all the wires, sensors, and emissions crap that gets shoved in an increasingly shrinking engine bay, they are by no means easier to work on.

And don't even get me started on changing spark plugs in my 05 F150........
How often did you have to "tune up" that 75 Olds? Getting to a rear mounted distributor to change and set points was no treat. And what gas mileage did it get? Half the cars of that vintage had a choke that worked about half the time and was spewing black smoke when it was stuck. Included in the poor fuel management was the need to change oil every 3,000 miles and replace an engine at 100,000 miles because the fuel would always wash the oil off the cylinders. How many 75 Olds were running around spewing blue smoke for oil blow by? You hardly ever see that now. Based on the weather changes and intense flooding and December tornado outbreaks, the emission crap as you call it will likely save the world for our descendents.

Mike Cornwall
12-21-2021, 2:26 PM
Youre no doubt right about this, except for the very first statement I wonder about. WasnÂ’t the generation that got along well in solitude an outgrowth of technological conditions that took a lot of the hand skill out of the process?

I got a lot done with machines and never cared to learn from anyone, but with stuff thatÂ’s more in the hands I would like to be around people who have experience.

I donÂ’t have clever hands. Working on cars and motorcycles etc I never got into anything that my hands werenÂ’t clever enough to do once I figured out what needed to be done, and I think these products are designed with that in mind. Woodworking with hand tools has partly held my interest because knowing what I need to do next doesnÂ’t always ensure I can physically do the next thing. Community would be nice for that.
The solo craftsman that predates the internet generation, wasnÂ’t he predated almost entirely by people who at least learned by some kind of communal means?

Jim Koepke
12-21-2021, 2:36 PM
Great food for thought Luke.


1. Knowledge
Much of my knowledge is "book learned" or in today's world learned online. There is also loads of knowledge learned from mistakes. Then there is the epiphanic knowledge from realizations or blending of ideas in one's mind. What is amazing about one's "sudden realizations" is later discovering they are knowledge from the long lost past.


2. Skill
Skill is distinct from knowledge…

Could skill also be "muscle memory"? Could that be "muscle knowledge"?

A lot of skill is knowing just how much of a tap is needed to adjust a blade on a molding plane. It could be knowing where to saw to a line for snug fitting dovetails.

The skill of taking a fine shaving with a chisel off a tenon to fit its mortise is a learned ability.


3. Effort

To paraphrase: "90% of getting something done is showing up." Make the effort to show up and being ready to go.

If there is no effort, there is no accomplishment.


4. Equipment / Tooling

There is a lot that can be done with very little tooling. A little more can be done with drawers and shelves stuffed with tools. Though often it slows everything down due to the time it takes to find anything.

Number five could be the most important to consider…

5. Motivation

Without the drive nothing seems to get done in my shop. All too often my own "motivation" is overcome by a shiny distraction getting me to wander off in some other direction.

Motivation pushes us to increase our knowledge.
Motivation drives people to improve their skills.
Motivation is what makes people get going and show up.
Motivation leads us to effort.
Effort directed toward our desire for more equipment or tools is what gets us to save, work or whatever we have to do to be able to afford another coveted item in our shops.

jtk

Tom Trees
12-21-2021, 2:39 PM
I go by Frank's dads rule, do it well first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTyd02-NTdQ

Faster productivity, (for me personally), will only happen when the workshop is practical enough to get things done.
Not having to spend time re-arranging things and fix stuff, to even start making things.
Even then, there's other stuff that one could focus on, like making the place more suitable for work like insulation, or whatever logistical or other
factor might be a barrier in having a somewhat productive setting. (even for a hobbiest)

Warren, you're comment is interesting.
"On line communities, weekend workshops, and such are helpful, but no substitute for the real thing."

You don't seem to have much faith in what forums and youtube might evolve into IMO.
Take David W's channel, money where your mouth is kinda show.
If many on these forums had a youtube channel, why wouldn't it be pretty much as good as the real thing?
It's not exactly out of reach for anyone, I use what's probably a 50 dollar camera for videos, and I find it gets my point across.

Eventually what could amount to finding exclusively the same thing one wants, as in a very similar workshop setup, or working the same timbers,
or many other things which I can't think of.
I've certainly learned a heap from watching videos, and always hungry for more.

I don't think I'm being naive, keen to see what others thoughts are on this.
I've probably got a hundred channels which I've subscribed to, with about 30% being mainstream "youtubers"
and the rest of those folks youtube channels are similar to what would suit my workshop/work/goals, and post occasional content.

I would imagine it would be difficult even now as it is, not to find exactly what you want ...
provided you know where to look, which is where forums come into play, isn't it?

Tom

James Pallas
12-21-2021, 2:46 PM
Hmmm one sun spot away from afoot and the need to find someone that can read a map. So you can get to the hospital in their 1960 Chevy and get treated for anxiety by a doctor that can’t find his way there either.😂
Jim

Jason Buresh
12-21-2021, 2:54 PM
I never claimed it was the easiest car in the world to work on, but it is definitely easier than a modern vehicle.

As far as emissions saving the future, that is a topic of heated political debate that needs to be avoided on these forums. And I'll leave it at that.

Jim Koepke
12-21-2021, 3:02 PM
I met a traditional Japanese joiner (sashimono) who impressed upon me the importance of working both to a high standard, and in a timely and efficient manner -- the latter being very important for a professional. People who can work in this way, producing incredible work with only hand tools and traditional methods, but do so in a timely and efficient manner, really, really impress me. I may be able to do the same work, but it would take me a year to do what he could likely do in just a month or even less.

Forgot to comment on this in my previous post.

Much of a timely and efficient manner is all the time and motion saved from knowing how to transition to the next step and not hesitating.

This also reminded me of an older gentleman on one of my previous jobs. This was while working on transit vehicles (train cars) in a public transit shop. There was a particular problem with the vehicles that was labeled an 'Item 20'. This meant the propulsion system had an error and dropped out. There was a "routine checklist" for this problem that most of the techs would follow. This older gentleman showed me a few checks not on the "routine checklist" to examine. Many of the cars (vehicles) were what we called "repeaters," or back in the shop (a hanger queen) for the same problem as last time. One of the reasons many of the techs didn't check a few of the other items is because of having to remove a half dozen more panels. Behind the panels were a bank for capacitors and other items. If the high voltage capacitors were shorting or about to blow, a sensor would trip and open the run relay. One night while looking for a bad connection another senior tech came down and was upset with me for taking all the extra panels off. Just at that moment a sensor wire was being checked and vibration caused it to make the run relay click loudly. My response was, "How do you expect me to find something like this without taking off all those panels?" He, said, "you just got lucky."

It is amazing how lucky it was to have many repeaters end their legacy as hanger queens just from a small change to the routine. Often it actually saved time by not having to check all the other items on the "routine checklist."

jtk

Rafael Herrera
12-21-2021, 3:48 PM
I think one important aspect for a hobbyist is to have a design sense. What's the point of having great tools and great technique if we don't have a sense of what to do with them. Designing an interesting piece of furniture is not an easy thing to do, copying something is trivial and boring.

mike stenson
12-21-2021, 3:52 PM
I 100% disagree with this statement. No offense.

I just changed a spark plug and coil pack on my sister's 2011 Dodge journey for her, and I had to take apart the intake, remove a radiator hose to get the plastic intake out from behind the motor, and then when trying to get the spark plug socket out, a 6" extension was too long and hit the fire wall and a 3" extension was too short and was too deep in the well. It took about 2 hours. For one spark plug.

On the other hand, my parents have a 75 Oldsmobile Delta 88 and the spark plugs are easily accessible and are simple to change. I would wager I could change all 8 spark plugs are least 3 times in the time it took me to change one on a modern car.

I get the point that modern cars do not require as much tinkering to keep them on the road, but with all the wires, sensors, and emissions crap that gets shoved in an increasingly shrinking engine bay, they are by no means easier to work on.

And don't even get me started on changing spark plugs in my 05 F150........

That's packaging. Ever work on a mid 70s mid engine car? Same problem, but worse. So much worse.

steven c newman
12-21-2021, 4:27 PM
Guess we've hijacked this post? Anyway...I much preferred the old 64 Falcon Futura (4 door) with the straight 6, with the hand choke. Did NOT like working on it's brakes, though....I can remember waiting on the Radio to warm up....

Jason Buresh
12-21-2021, 4:38 PM
Good point! My buddy has a 68 Beetle that is a pain to work on too, although everything is light and comes apart easy enough.

Tom M King
12-21-2021, 5:08 PM
I just buy a lot of tools to be able to call on, and figure it out as I go. Someone asked me how I was going to fix some windows in an old house. I said I was just going to use my normal method. He asked what method that was, and I said, "attack".

Tom Trees
12-21-2021, 6:49 PM
So many different subjects this brings up,
Once again I love the community comment of Warren, even though his next sentence seems a conflicting comment.
Love to see a video of something or another from you someday;)
It was David's videos and posts in which I learned what you were saying all along about the cap iron,
and would likely not have believed until I saw it with my own eyes.
Wondering what you find the most lacking from forums and videos?


I agree with your thoughts Rafael, that's coming from someone who never designed anything but a few tools.
Nether agreeing nor disagreeing with you here, but can say I spent a good bit of thought on my benches, one kinda designed from what I had, which
has turned out to be very versatile, in some ways, I suppose I got lucky.
There's another near completed scandi bench, minus end caps/tool well/vices under a stack of timber,

I copied the things l liked, whether you call that copying is up to you.
I agree it not an easy thing to do, as I made my mind up about what bench I wanted.. .once I had level ground and happened to stick a thin counter
on the base, lol

I think looking at something which might be appealing but flawed for some reason or another is a good place to start designing.
Practice in that sense if you will?

Apart from copying things in any way, I think everyone has some want or need for something basic that's not out there, and can make something with what makes sense to them.
I could think of plenty of challenges in that regard, from dog beds to footrests which don't have sharp corners, "cold house blues makes everything slippy"
and other things which might be apt for my home, even if not for anyone else, once again practice of design, and all the rest on Luke's list.

Tom

Tom Trees
12-21-2021, 7:03 PM
I find it enjoyable seeing furniture none the less, and always looking at craftsmanship, even if not to my tastes.
Here's Shawn Graham from wortheffort at this years Texas woodworking show
https://youtu.be/yld673TvRpw?t=289

And I might add the Alan Peters award, some snippets from Jeremy Broun's channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yumk4HmeHLw

Jim Koepke
12-21-2021, 9:29 PM
I find it enjoyable seeing furniture none the less, and always looking at craftsmanship, even if not to my tastes.
[edited]

While watching old movies or TV programs with the wife, we often pause the action to look at old pieces of furntiture, molding or architectural details.

jtk

andy bessette
12-21-2021, 9:47 PM
Nothing beats experience.

Rafael Herrera
12-21-2021, 9:48 PM
...I spent a good bit of thought on my benches, one kinda designed from what I had, which
has turned out to be very versatile, in some ways, I suppose I got lucky.
There's another near completed scandi bench, minus end caps/tool well/vices under a stack of timber,

I copied the things l liked, whether you call that copying is up to you.


Perhaps I should have said reproduction or verbatim copies.

Curt Putnam
12-23-2021, 7:47 PM
In my case, it is obvious that there is a talent component which is lacking. Some people obviously have it, I do not, but that does not greatly diminish my enjoyment.

It is one thing to know what to do (knowledge) but the doing of it (skill) is an entirely different matter. As you point out, equipment/tools can bend the skill issue. Having good stuff makes life easier. Without effort, there is no skill. Without effort, there is no work accomplished.

Bruce Mack
12-24-2021, 7:37 PM
Yes. Community.

You need to work with others, to see how they work, to show your work to others, to look at their work, to understand their attitudes, and to view fine work with others who are sensitive and knowledgeable.

On line communities, weekend workshops, and such are helpful, but no substitute for the real thing.

I agree. I don't know what I don't know. My occupation required a few years of training under supervision. It took a few additional years before I developed good skills and confidence. Good woodworking may have the same requirements but we tend to slough that off because we can acquire a few skills on our own with persistence and emulation of what we see in magazines or on YouTube. There is no accreditation and no standards that must be met except a few basics - e.g. no drawers that stick or rattle or tables that stand on 3 out of 4 legs or gaps that can't be hidden with filler. What would I be if taught by someone with technical skill and good aesthetics? I'll never know, will I?

James Pallas
12-24-2021, 9:58 PM
My neighbors are mostly young couples starting out. My wife and i love to see the young families and their children. The young men look to me as a knowledgeable old guy. They come to me to ask about working on their houses or other woodwork. I like to share my skills. I think I’m a fair teacher. My approach is to put a good tool in their hand and teach them what I know. Many of their skills are much improved and their tool kits have grown with good tools. In return I get to see what they have done. One neighbor is rebuilding his deck now. I helped him design and layout and I am a good board holder too. We’ll be doing stairs next. I gave him a nice aluminum framing square and a set of stair gauges for Christmas. In return when they see me working they always offer to help. I was cleaning up leaves a while back and the next thing I knew I had three helpers the yard was done shortly. It’s very rewarding to see someone learn what a sharp chisel is keep it sharp use it with skill and pass that along to the others. Pass on what you know its very rewarding.
Jim