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Rick Dean
04-21-2021, 8:59 AM
Hello all, I have a question about the difficulty of milling lumber. I would consider myself a beginner and I have worked with rough lumber. I have a chance to get some rough kiln dried beech slabs 2-3” thick. I believe he will rip the slabs down to roughly 3 inches wide for me. I was thinking of building this benchfeatured in Fine Woodworking/Taunton. Most of the components are roughly 2”x3“ and 84” long (top). My question is, how much skill and work is it to mill the lumber myself. It scared me because in one of the videos the woodworker says it is just a challenge to mill the lumber and he’s a pro. I own an old 37–220 Delta jointer 6 inch and a new Dewalt 13 1/2 inch planer as well as a good table saw. I have the option of having the mill work done for $150. I want to take on the challenge but don’t want to bite off more than I can chew and be so frustrated that I will not enjoy it at all. I think the bench build itself will be challenging so I am wondering if I should leave the milling to a shop I would Appreciate any feedback you pros could provide.I believe he will rip them down to roughly 3 inches wide for me

Russell Hayes
04-21-2021, 9:21 AM
Rick you have the equipment time to dive in. I see your challenge being your jointer bed is a little short for 84" lumber, but set up infeed and outfeed support and maybe a helper and you will be fine. A helper on the planer wouldn't hurt either. I would do the first glue ups as sub assemblies a little narrower then your planer. Then plane all the sub assemblies to the same thickness before gluing the whole thing together. That will eliminate a lot of sanding or hand planing. Good luck and post back your finished project.

Robert Engel
04-21-2021, 10:22 AM
Jointing an 84" long board on a jointer is not an easy task. As mentioned infeed and outfeed rollers and start with the straightest side down.

That said, a laminated top jointed faces are not critical, as long as the two glue faces are surfaced parallel minor gaps or bows can be clamped out.

More critical is the edge side facing up as flat as possible to ease the process.

NOTE: when you glue up, be sure all the grain is oriented the same direction - I can't emphasize this enough, especially if you plan to hand plane the top.

I'd spare the planer motor and knives all that work and fork over the $150. Beech is pretty hard wood.

A router sled is a good way to flatten the top, again, spares the planer a pretty strenuous task.

John TenEyck
04-21-2021, 10:41 AM
Building your own bench is a sort of right of passage for beginning woodworkers. You'll build a lot of skills that will serve you well with future projects. Have at it.

John

Matthew Hills
04-21-2021, 11:35 AM
Good advice above.

When jointing the long boards, I'd expect the process probably won't be as automatic as with a piece well within your jointer's capacity. I'd recommend testing the fit between adjacent pieces as you go -- this will help you identify where the residual high points are.

Matt

Andrew Seemann
04-21-2021, 3:45 PM
I recently had to accurately joint 84" boards for a dining room table. It was much more difficult than I would have ever anticipated, and I have doing woodworking for something like 40 years. Normally I don't edge glue boards longer than 48-60" long, and the additional two feet really threw me off. Using a straight edge (a 1"x3"x 1/8" aluminum box beam) and router didn't work, because the straight edge flexed just enough in the middle of the board to make a gap in the glue joint I couldn't clamp out. The track saw and guide left too rough of an edge. The tables on the 8" jointer weren't long enough to take out the gentle curves over the length of the board.

I ultimately ended up putting four foot extensions on the infeed and outfeed of my jointer that could be easily leveled. That actually worked much better than I would have ever imagined.

While figuring out how to do this yourself would be educational and character building, risking messing up that much expensive lumber would make me consider forking over the $150. Before I figured out the jointer extension thing, I might have done that with my table top if we had not been in lockdown at the time.

On a side note, beech can sometimes be a pretty unstable wood, despite being a popular choice for bench tops in Europe. The more even climate there helps with stability. Cutting the boards and laminating them so that the grain ends up vertical (essentially quarter sawn) may help. Also, if you get the boards milled up but not glued, you will want to quickly glue them together, as they will likely warp annoyingly rapidly, especially if they are beech, and if the humidity is changing a lot, like if it was springtime:)

Dan McGonigle
04-21-2021, 5:27 PM
A question about the beech - is it American or European beech? I’ll take a wild guess at American? I ask because I’m also building a bench and looking for material for the top. While beech has been traditionally used for bench tops and tools, I read somewhere that American beech is not recommended due to poor stability and seasonal movement. European beech is the type of beech to use. Is this a known thing or just one persons opinion?

Mel Fulks
04-21-2021, 6:09 PM
When I made my ‘mercan beech top I was determined to find and use beech because it was the “traditional material “. Took me a long
time to find out that it got that prize position ....because it was not as stable as many other woods ,so often used on utilitarian stuff.
I used it and the bench is good.

Julie Moriarty
04-21-2021, 6:49 PM
I'm with JT on this. There are so many valuable things to learn that you will take with you throughout your woodworking years.

Start small and work your way up. With your Dewalt planer, you can glue up sections just shy of your planer width and run them through. Then you have 2-3 larger sections for the final glue up. And if the finished top isn't to your liking, the opportunity to get to know hand tools presents itself. A decent jointer, jack plane and smoothing plane will provide you with possibly one of the most enjoyable woodworking experiences thus far. And then you'll be hooked. :cool:

Julie Moriarty
04-21-2021, 6:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg0jUWJPweg&t=1s

johnny means
04-21-2021, 6:58 PM
Milling lumber is simple. The physicality of it is the big challenge. This is especially true with daintier equipment. Also, laminating bigger tops will test your clamp collection, it takes a lot more force to close several glue lines than one would think.

Jon Grider
04-21-2021, 7:37 PM
Not to rock the boat but I would pay the $150 to have it jointed and planed for me. There is some, but not a lot of skill required in running boards over a jointer or feeding them into a planer. With your 6" short bed jointer, I would say frustration with the results may happen. I suggest focusing your time developing joinery skills the bench project requires. You can always learn jointing and planing on smaller projects more suitable to your equipment. But that's just me.

Andrew Seemann
04-21-2021, 9:59 PM
A question about the beech - is it American or European beech? I’ll take a wild guess at American? I ask because I’m also building a bench and looking for material for the top. While beech has been traditionally used for bench tops and tools, I read somewhere that American beech is not recommended due to poor stability and seasonal movement. European beech is the type of beech to use. Is this a known thing or just one persons opinion?

European beech is often steamed. I'm not sure if that is to release tension, or if it is a color thing like walnut. Maybe that has something to do with it?

I've used beech (not sure when it was North American or European) for small items and it has worked well, but the pieces they came out of looked like airplane propellers and hockey sticks. Still, it works well in small scale, things like harpsichord jacks get made out of beech, and they require both precision and stability. It cuts and machines very cleanly, which is probably why it got used for wooden planes. In Europe, it seems like a utility wood, kind of like pine or red oak here, where it gets used when "wood" is required and it doesn't matter what kind.

Jeff Bartley
04-22-2021, 7:24 AM
Regardless of who mills to dimension I would verify the moisture content. I don’t have much experience with Beech but I’ve heard it can be difficult to dry.

Rick Dean
04-22-2021, 8:43 AM
This is all great information. I will research whether it is American or European beach. My feeling is that it probably is American. I am leaning towards having the boards milled since this is really my first time doing any milling. I think it’s a little more than I can bite off and I will try it on some smaller projects. I am a little concerned about the comment from Andrew that I should glue it up immediately after milling. I was planning on getting it mailed and then just letting it air dry for a while in my shop and then build the bench when I had time. Is this a bad plan?

Russell Hayes
04-22-2021, 9:30 AM
If, and only if, the wood was fully dried. And I didn't then have time to then glue it up. I think I would clamp it together to hold it straight until I was ready to finish the project. Clamp it face to face similar to the finished project.

John TenEyck
04-22-2021, 9:42 AM
This is all great information. I will research whether it is American or European beach. My feeling is that it probably is American. I am leaning towards having the boards milled since this is really my first time doing any milling. I think it’s a little more than I can bite off and I will try it on some smaller projects. I am a little concerned about the comment from Andrew that I should glue it up immediately after milling. I was planning on getting it mailed and then just letting it air dry for a while in my shop and then build the bench when I had time. Is this a bad plan?

Yes, that's a bad plan. ALWAYS glue up as soon after final milling as possible. Wood moves and if you let it sit around and absorb or give up moisture it will, and then the joints likely won't fit as tightly as they did before. It doesn't take much movement for boards 6 or more feet long not to fit together well. If that happens you'll be faced with at least edge jointing them all over again, and maybe planing them, too. Secondly, glue works best on freshly milled surfaces.

FWIW, I would use hard maple. Why fool around with inherently unstable wood? And other than pretty there's really no compelling reason to make a benchtop out of solid wood. Several layers of plywood or MDF skinned with a replaceable Masonite top is my favorite benchtop.

John

Robert Hazelwood
04-22-2021, 9:58 AM
This is all great information. I will research whether it is American or European beach. My feeling is that it probably is American. I am leaning towards having the boards milled since this is really my first time doing any milling. I think it’s a little more than I can bite off and I will try it on some smaller projects. I am a little concerned about the comment from Andrew that I should glue it up immediately after milling. I was planning on getting it mailed and then just letting it air dry for a while in my shop and then build the bench when I had time. Is this a bad plan?


Are the slabs green wood or have they been kiln-dried? If not they should be dried before you start milling anything. Air drying take roughly one year per inch of thickness. I think Beech dries faster than most species but is also more prone to movement, so it needs to be carefully stacked and stickered.

Even if they have been kiln dried, they are still not likely to be at equilibrium with your shop environment until they have been there several weeks at least. That means that whenever you remove material and expose fresh wood the boards are liable to move in the days after. Really, this can happen in any circumstance. This is why its often best to assemble as soon after milling as possible.

If you need to get them milled prior to delivery, and you can't get around to assembly right away, stack the milled boards carefully with stickers (spacers) between boards so that airflow can go around all faces and edges. If you can, clamp the stack together so that each individual board is physically restrained from moving. That will keep them as straight as possible, but you should anticipate that they will move some when you release the clamps. But most likely they will still be good enough to make a laminated bench top. Maybe only a couple of boards need to be tossed or re-milled, and you can try that yourself.

Dave Mills
04-22-2021, 11:10 AM
My suggestion would be to do it yourself - that's why you have the tools. Get a rough 2x4x84" as cheap as you can, and practice with your jointer (I presume this is what you're having doubts with, since the planer is the "easier" tool). Practice on the 2x4 until you get it nice and square. If the board starts to go wonky (curved edge, notch at the end, taper), STOP taking more cuts, and find out why. Buy another board if you turn it too small to be safe before you feel like you've got the hang of it. Once you feel good about it, wait until you can actually glue the top up, and then mill the real stuff.

Tom Bender
04-23-2021, 2:48 PM
Either way will be ok but I think you will have a better result having the heavy milling done by an experienced and well equipped shop. You will still have to deal with enough adjustments by the time you are ready for glue. And remember that it's a bench. It will get dinged up and stained so a little gap or two won't effect function. Here's a pic of mine.

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