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Edward Morimoto
02-18-2021, 8:22 PM
Any in-obvious advantages to building a router table cabinet myself over purchasing a rolling tool stand and adding storage to it (or vice versa) other than cost?

I’ve been making due with one of those little trim router clamp-on tables for a while (which has worked remarkably well, btw) but I really need to graduate to a full sized one. I have enough mdf & laminate scrap for the table and plan on purchasing a lift. On the fence (pardon the pun) on whether to build or buy a fence.

The ultimate goal is to have a dust collection box for the router/lift and storage under the table. I’m leaning towards buying a tool stand just to get up & running quicker as work, other projects and a tendency for analysis-paralysis might stall a ground-up build.

Thanks, in advance!

Bruce Wrenn
02-18-2021, 9:10 PM
First, just build the case (top, bottom, sides and back,) and hang router from plate. Then customize it to suit your needs. Pocket screws allow you to add / remove partitions as needed or desired. Most router tables are a "work in progress." As soon as you say "well that's done," something else comes along that would be nice to have on your router table.

glenn bradley
02-18-2021, 9:29 PM
Most folks who work the trades would rather build new than remodel. I don't see any benefit in using a shop stand that wouldn't be nullified by the restrictions it may place on your design.

ChrisA Edwards
02-18-2021, 9:38 PM
I initially bought a Woodpeckers router stand, table and lift, fist picture.

I realized how much dead space was beneath it, plus dust collection was so so.

I removed the top and built a cabinet. The cost of the frame was probably a little more than the cost of the plywood for the cabinet and drawers.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/i452/cedwards874/Woodworking/.highres/WoodpeckerRouter_zpscesxhqiw.jpg


https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/i452/cedwards874/Woodworking/.highres/RouterCabinet4_zpshjjunl78.jpg

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Thomas McCurnin
02-18-2021, 10:16 PM
That's really nice Chip. Good work. Something to be proud of.

Mike Kreinhop
02-18-2021, 10:33 PM
I built something similar to ChrisA, but used the Incra stand, LS-17 positioner, Mast-R-Lift II, and a AUKTools router motor. I took the design from Guy Dunlap's build videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFf_-j2B0XQ), but made changes to suit me. The router table is stored in another room when not being used and had to fit through my shop door. If I built another table, I would use the LS-25 positioner and make the table longer, but with the same door-friendly width.


https://photos.smugmug.com/Woodshop/Router-Table/i-sZ6CHC2/0/a8f92a6f/XL/Router_Table-12-XL.jpg


https://photos.smugmug.com/Woodshop/Router-Table/i-PS6kHXS/0/d8c136c6/XL/Router_Table-15-XL.jpg


https://photos.smugmug.com/Woodshop/Router-Table/i-Wp4chvT/0/a683a7c7/X3/Router_Table-17-X3.jpg


https://photos.smugmug.com/Woodshop/Router-Table/i-QPHWZbm/0/c67732c3/XL/Router_Table-18-XL.jpg

Derek Cohen
02-19-2021, 7:32 AM
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The ultimate goal is to have a dust collection box for the router/lift and storage under the table. I’m leaning towards buying a tool stand just to get up & running quicker as work, other projects and a tendency for analysis-paralysis might stall a ground-up build.

Thanks, in advance!


Based on my experience, a dust collection box is unnecessary for excellent dust collection.

I recently completed a from-scratch-build with the router table in the outfeed of my slider (Hammer K3) ...

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure_html_m6b18e260.jpg


Although I built all to keep costs down, including the fence, I did not want to skimp on the dust collection. This is enormously important to me.

Instead of a box, my plan was to use the Milescraft system ...

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure_html_4e1f6cdd.jpg

However, this did not fit my Elu router (same as Dewalt DW 625), and I sold it. The woodworker who purchased it gave me feedback that it worked wonderfully for his set up.

My system was similar to the Milescraft, based on the Festool hose ...

The Elu has a modified Dewalt collector ...

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure_html_m2c746f8a.jpg

Dust extraction is via the fence and via the dust spout using the Festool Router Table twin hose system, and into a Festool CT 26E.


The twin hose (from Festool) …


http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure_html_m797ee564.jpg



http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure_html_34c66877.jpg




http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure_html_m7fd78218.jpg


http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure_html_7aeed75f.jpg



To test this, I ran a rebate along four edges of this Black Walnut offcut, to see how much dust remained on the table.


http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure_html_362c11bb.jpg




Below is the result. Four edges rebated. Two grains of saw dust evident on the table. Nil on the floor.




http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure_html_m7715d703.jpg




http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure_html_m3ff3aa67.jpg



The full build is here: http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Powered%20Tools%20and%20Machinery/RouterTableAdventure.html


Regards from Perth

Derek

Jim Fox
02-19-2021, 9:11 AM
I've gone from the Craftsman little table top router stand and router, to a Freud in the extension wing to a Norm'ish cabinet build. I agree with ChrisA that the cart seems like a waste of space underneath.......but I never did that iteration so that's just my thoughts on that. Guess you could add a cabinet(s) to it, but you are limited in the layout based on their cart structure. Bruce has a good idea, just build the case open and modify/adapt to your needs as you figure out what works and what doesn't.

Here is my Norm'ish version. For the most part I like it. I wish, maybe, that I had gone with the wider Woodpecker table only in the sense I could of built a bigger cabinet underneath. That bottom drawer houses my two PC 690's and their multitude of bases, a corded Ridgid trim router and a battery Ridgid trim router, plus all the little odds and ends. It's a heavy drawer. The 3 drawers on the left are for ½" shank bits, which I only use 1 so far. The right top drawer is for wrenches and the current height adjuster for the Triton. The one underneath it is for ¼" shank bits. It would be nice to have a little more storage. It's also a taller than normal router table. Not sure if that was a good idea or not, but I am 6' 3".

I will be replacing the Triton with a Milwaukee (outta stock everywhere) soon and a Woodpecker Lift (already here). The Triton is just too cumbersome and not very smooth to adjust the height.

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Jim Dwight
02-19-2021, 1:37 PM
I also have a Norm pattern table with 1/2 inch bit storage on the right and 1/4 on the left. The 1/2 side is a lot more full. I built in a router lift that hangs from the 3/4 plywood back and is based on a design in an old American Woodworker article. I recently put in a big PC 15 amp router motor which just made a good table even better. Top is a sink cutout backed with plywood and edged with maple. Top pivots up for bit changes. I have ZERO desire for any other router table. I have had several others. My fence is several inches wider than the top and is secured with very short pipe clamps. It does not slip. Easy to make slight adjustments by pivoting it a little.

I have in cabinet suction and fence suction. The cabinet suction is piped up to pull from the router chuck area. I think that is important for the router. If you pull from the bottom of a box your DC fights your routers fan cooling.

Zachary Hoyt
02-19-2021, 1:55 PM
I made a folding router table out of a piece of 18" square by 3/8" aluminum, and bought a router with a burned out motor on eBay so I could use the base. This way I can swap the router motor unit from the table to the handheld base in seconds. I don't have dust collection, I'd like to figure that out someday. The table can be folded down when not in use or folded all the way up to install or remove the motor or adjust the height. I don't need a fence or a miter slot for what I do with my router table, it's all bearing guided work.

Mike Wilkins
02-19-2021, 9:56 PM
I got the Kreg steel stand, added casters and used 3/4" plywood to make a cabinet under the table. I already had the Woodpeckers fence/lift/fence. Woodpeckers, Infinity, Kreg and even Grizzly sell the steel stands which is bolted together and makes for a sturdy infrastructure.

Jim Becker
02-20-2021, 9:17 AM
If you just want a simple enclosure around the router, then using a bolt-together stand can certainly make for "fast", but as has been noted, there's a whole bunch of wasted space and a lost woodworking opportunity. A full cabinet on double-locking casters will provide much more utility.

George Yetka
02-20-2021, 11:12 AM
I kind of did both. Jessems stand has slots for 1/2" ply. I added a box to house the router a couple of drawers and a door up front to access router for speed control
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Ralph Okonieski
02-20-2021, 5:53 PM
My router table was built from Norm’s plans. It is heavy and provides some assurance it will not move while using it. I do not have a stand so cannot attest to their stability during operation. Not knocking them, simply do not know. I’ve often thought about buying one to use as a second router station so a specific setup could be made “permanent”, so to speak.

james manutes
02-21-2021, 10:12 AM
You can spend as much or as little as you want , really . My starting point was an old parts washer station , adapted and customized into a router table w/ lots of storage . Table , lift , fence all purchased new .

Phil Gaudio
02-21-2021, 12:09 PM
Mike: Very impressive. Might want to sell your design to Felder :) Phil



I built something similar to ChrisA, but used the Incra stand, LS-17 positioner, Mast-R-Lift II, and a AUKTools router motor. I took the design from Guy Dunlap's build videos (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFf_-j2B0XQ), but made changes to suit me. The router table is stored in another room when not being used and had to fit through my shop door. If I built another table, I would use the LS-25 positioner and make the table longer, but with the same door-friendly width.


https://photos.smugmug.com/Woodshop/Router-Table/i-sZ6CHC2/0/a8f92a6f/XL/Router_Table-12-XL.jpg


https://photos.smugmug.com/Woodshop/Router-Table/i-PS6kHXS/0/d8c136c6/XL/Router_Table-15-XL.jpg


https://photos.smugmug.com/Woodshop/Router-Table/i-Wp4chvT/0/a683a7c7/X3/Router_Table-17-X3.jpg


https://photos.smugmug.com/Woodshop/Router-Table/i-QPHWZbm/0/c67732c3/XL/Router_Table-18-XL.jpg

Jim Becker
02-21-2021, 12:25 PM
My starting point was an old parts washer station , adapted and customized into a router table w/ lots of storage . Table , lift , fence all purchased new .
My first router table was a repurposed, cheap kitchen trolley. It was pathetic looking but did the job. :) The second one was similar to Norm Abram's NYW project. Current is a construction that adds it to myh slider as a "poor man's shaper" in a similar position that a saw/shaper combo would look like. Sorta. It's likely to gain its independence in the recent future as my shop situation may change and require the slider to be in storage for a bit. I'll just add a box under it with double-locking casters to simply convert it to mobile use. These things can and do evolve over time in the shop!

Phil Gaudio
02-21-2021, 12:30 PM
Another reason to roll your own router table is that it gives you a chance to try out some techniques and approaches for a future project. My router table was actually a prototype for my kitchen cabinets. It gave me a chance to experiment with the cabinet joinery, materials, and hardware that I would be using for my then upcoming kitchen remodel (over 20 years ago).
https://i.postimg.cc/9FW4xwJB/IMG-2813.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/XqQ4pqMf/IMG-1265.jpg (https://postimg.cc/xNJWZ018)

Marty Gulseth
02-21-2021, 12:54 PM
Any in-obvious advantages to building a router table cabinet myself over purchasing a rolling tool stand and adding storage to it (or vice versa) other than cost?

I’ve been making due with one of those little trim router clamp-on tables for a while (which has worked remarkably well, btw) but I really need to graduate to a full sized one. I have enough mdf & laminate scrap for the table and plan on purchasing a lift. On the fence (pardon the pun) on whether to build or buy a fence.

The ultimate goal is to have a dust collection box for the router/lift and storage under the table. I’m leaning towards buying a tool stand just to get up & running quicker as work, other projects and a tendency for analysis-paralysis might stall a ground-up build.

Thanks, in advance!

At the risk of being banned outright, or at the least, laughed out of the country - as soon as I find 'em in my archives, I'll post some pics of my WURT (World's Ugliest Router Table!) Point being - several years ago, I NEEDED a router table for a project. Like you, I wanted dust collection and some storage. But the project requiring use of a RT was the priority at the time. I found a "blemished" Woodpeckers table top on sale, and a used Woodpeckers "Sidewinder" lift (to my knowledge, no longer manufactured but I like mine) and cobbled together a cabinet, and a fence, from various scrap. My intent was to build a nice cabinet, but somehow, life and other priorities got in the way. A "nice" cabinet is still on my to-do list, but it somehow keeps getting bumped toward the bottom of the list. One day...

Tom Bender
02-22-2021, 7:58 PM
Wow, those are some impressive setups.

Edward Morimoto
03-02-2021, 4:11 PM
Thanks everyone and "d*mn you" for failing to provide the validation for my lazy man's approach :-)

But seriously, thanks for all the generosity with your thoughts and for sharing your impressive/ingenious router table approaches. I'm starting to break down some ply for the case and will likely look to this forum for advice along the way (for example, I'm really intrigued about the cooling air risk with a chip collection enclosure -- wondering if I should entertain the snorkel idea I saw somewhere to allow the router to pull air from the top of the motor).

Cheers!