Cultured meat--

[Kev Williams]

Interesting, and maybe a bit spooky... thoughts?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2021/01/03/impacts-of-cultured-meat-fareed-gps-vpx.cnn

(sorry if CNN bothers anyone, but that's where the story is...)

[Jim Becker]

I suspect this is going to be an interesting conversation..."just because". Be nice, folks...thank you in advance!
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Kev, setting aside some societal biases, some of which can't be discussed here, this kind of thing is both inevitable, not to mention essential, for mankind to expand beyond the Earth. There are obvious potential benefits to the food supply and potential benefits environmentally, too. As long as the techniques and processes are done well, of course. Many of the same also applies to growing tissue/organs for medical progress, too. It's all interrelated.

[Brian Tymchak]

... thoughts?


Inevitable. For all the environmental reasons cited plus some like razor thin profit margins in agriculture, disruptions due to weather impacts, etc, this is the way of the food system in the not too distant future. And I suspect that if the buying public in general truly understood how dirty and vulnerable to disease the growing, slaughter, packing, delivery processes are that land meat on the table, the move to lab grown protein would be a lot faster. I suspect in 20 years, it will be about 50/50 lab vs farm grown. It will take a few generations to make the shift.

[Doug Dawson]

Interesting, and maybe a bit spooky... thoughts?


They’re already drinking reprocessed “waste products” on the International Space Station. So when we’re all living in outer space because our planet has been rendered uninhabitable, synthetic meat also is not much of a stretch. Plus, where do you think those cattle are going to graze on Mars? :^)

Seen any good movies lately?

[Bill Dufour]

MMM... Soylent green
I have always wondered about "cured" meats. Does that mean all the rest is sick?
One thing to realize is that much of the ranch land in the west is not suitable for growing anything other then grass and maybe stunted trees. If you can not have cattle the land is pretty much worthless.
Bill D.

PS: Soylent Green is set in 2022

[Jim Matthews]

PS: Soylent Green is set in 2022

Uh oh. Better get cracking on my wine pairings.

[Kev Williams]

I'm not against lab created meat, or anything else really. Spooky, yeah a little but more fascinating than spooky. What humans are capable of these days is incredible. But some of it moves beyond 'spooky' IMO... I'll be honest, the advances in AI are scaring the hell out of me. But, while a computer certainly assisted in the process of cloning chicken meat, at least, ttbomk, a human came up with the idea, not the computer ;)

We don't watch movies. Not because we don't like them, it's more of a 'don't have time' thing :)

[Michael Weber]

Looks like those Aussies developing methane free cow chow may be out of luck.

[Rob Damon]

This was reported a month ago on a tech site I found decades ago called www dot Industrytap dot com. It is a great site for future/current tech that does not allow commenting as it is more for the trades.

https://www.industrytap.com/no-more-killing-of-animalssingapore-approves-sale-of-lab-grown-meat-in-worlds-first/55613

I am allergic to poultry, just wondering if would it can be modified (like milk) so that those that are allergic to it can start eating it again. Would love to have some good fried chicken again.

Industrytap website has hundreds of tech articles on it weeks if not months (or ever) before the main stream media posts about it.

[Steve Demuth]

I grew up drinking water from a 30 ft deep well that tapped a sand vein sitting on blue clay, with the wellhead no more than 15' from a feed lot. In other words, I was drinking cattle waste that was considerable less well reprocessed than what the astronauts get out of their hi-tech system. The nitrate levels were sufficient in that well that we had to get bottled water from town for the infants in the family.

[Roger Feeley]

Here in the DC area, we have a regional chain of restaurants called Silver Diner. It’s sort of a gentrified version of the old vintage diner. One of their burger options is Beyond Meat. I tried it and I was very impressed. I don’t go to SD very often but the next time I do, I will get the Beyond Meat burger again. Not because it’s better for the environment but because it’s a darn fine burger. These folks are way beyond comparing themselves to other meatless burgers. They are playing with the big boys and competing head to head with animal meat.

so I say, bring it on. To be honest, many real chicken nuggets are pretty rubbery so the bar isn’t all that high.

[Jim Becker]

'Just as an aside, I used to do breakfast at the Silver Diner near the office I had to visit frequently in Fair Lakes before I retired...always had good meals there, Roger.

[Bill Dufour]

Cultured meat will never catch on in the USA. Probably do fine in Europe though. We Americans are just too uncultured.
Are test tube babies more cultured then the old fashioned kind?
Bil lD

[Andrew Joiner]

I suspect this is going to be an interesting conversation..."just because". Be nice, folks...thank you in advance!
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Right Jim, cause even on Sawmillcreek it's not always where "the cultured meet":)

[Bill Dufour]

I think our new house will have cultured marble in the bathroom. Not sure if my wife will let me use that bathroom or I may have to use the uncultured one.
Bil lD

[Bernie Kopfer]

MMM...

One thing to realize is that much of the ranch land in the west is not suitable for growing anything other then grass and maybe stunted trees. If you can not have cattle the land is pretty much worthless.
Bill D.
I'd rather enjoy the worthless land without the cattle on it. But the cattle do make nice trails for biking.

[Mark Bolton]

When the cultured meat costs far less than non cultured people will move. The mere fact that only 14% of the product by weight is "fit for human consumption" with regards to all meat products means that if the cultured product is nearly 100% consumable, and the corporate and VC investment doesnt price it out of the market, it should be pennies on the dollar in comparison with scale.

The only thing that motivates the sheep now is pain. Personal pain, financial pain.

[Doug Dawson]

When the cultured meat costs far less than non cultured people will move. The mere fact that only 14% of the product by weight is "fit for human consumption" with regards to all meat products means that if the cultured product is nearly 100% consumable, and the corporate and VC investment doesnt price it out of the market, it should be pennies on the dollar in comparison with scale.

Don’t forget about the soup. We use the bones for our soup. And don’t forget about the haggis. And the upholstery. And the glue. And the dog food. Who will think about the pooches. Etc. Currently the whole animal is used.

I can see a boutique niche market only.

[Jim Becker]

Currently the whole animal is used.

This is more true in some cultures than others.

[Mark Bolton]

Currently the whole animal is used.

The whole animal is actually not used which is why we, and our 1600cc's of cerebral cortex and perhaps 100,000 years of evolution, conjured up mad cow disease when producers got tired of the 86% waste and began the bright idea of rendering down the unsalable beef, brains, spinal column, and all, and in their insane wisdom decided to feed cows back to cows which for thousands of years only ate grass. Talk about the ultimate shot in the foot. Upon the realization of their insanity their rationale was not to stop rendering but instead to simply not feed cow to cows and hogs to hogs but rather to feed cows to hogs and hogs to cow and who knows what else until some semblance of sanity finally set in and they realized it may be best not to muck with the system so much.

The hides of the vast majority of beef slaughtered never make it to your beloved belts, shoes, auto seating (who has real leather anymore) and surely to god you dont have a real leather lazyboy do you?

Dog food accounts for a very small percentage of the 84%.

The whole animal is currently NOT used in any way shape or form. It may be ground up and spread on the ground or something but thats not "use" in any reasonable comparison to the total cost to market.

[Doug Dawson]

The whole animal is currently NOT used in any way shape or form. It may be ground up and spread on the ground or something but thats not "use" in any reasonable comparison to the total cost to market.
What do you suppose happens to the parts of the carcass that are not “used”? I’m looking forward to visiting the burial grounds, maybe you could point out where they are. In the immortal last words of Bessie, “If you seek my memorial, look around you.”

Commerce has its way.

[Bill Dufour]

I think it was one of the muck rakers who wrote, of a hog processing factory, that they used the entire animal except for the squeal.
Bill D.

[Mark Bolton]

What do you suppose happens to the parts of the carcass that are not “used”? I’m looking forward to visiting the burial grounds, maybe you could point out where they are. In the immortal last words of Bessie, “If you seek my memorial, look around you.”

Commerce has its way.

A vast amount of it is either heaped up and piled to rot, or its ground up and spread on the ground to dry out and decompose. Im not arguing against corporate beef/meat production. But if the bulk of the populus were directly aware that any non-egg laying peep (rooster or defective hen), eggs shells and all (the good parts) are immediately ground up live into meal to be fed to other animals (hogs, beef, goats, you name it), as well as numerous other kookiness you'd see a bit of a shift. But no different than politics and sausage.. you keep a lot of that behind the scenes for good reason.. :D While you cant visit, if you got a good behind the scenes at any medium, forget about massive, production facility... there are thousands and thousands of pounds of material daily that never go anywhere.

My point is, a process that generates only the humanly consumable flesh, the steak, the burger, the chicken breast, the pork chop, without the head, brain stem, rectum, intestinal tract, feces that potentially contaminates the product, the whole nine yards. No doubt one day they will generate a fillet mignon in the actual cut and shape.. eliminating the grain, hay, tractors, diesel fuel, meat cutter,...

[Jerry Bruette]

A vast amount of it is either heaped up and piled to rot, or its ground up and spread on the ground to dry out and decompose. Im not arguing against corporate beef/meat production. But if the bulk of the populus were directly aware that any non-egg laying peep (rooster or defective hen), eggs shells and all (the good parts) are immediately ground up live into meal to be fed to other animals (hogs, beef, goats, you name it), as well as numerous other kookiness you'd see a bit of a shift. But no different than politics and sausage.. you keep a lot of that behind the scenes for good reason.. :D While you cant visit, if you got a good behind the scenes at any medium, forget about massive, production facility... there are thousands and thousands of pounds of material daily that never go anywhere.

My point is, a process that generates only the humanly consumable flesh, the steak, the burger, the chicken breast, the pork chop, without the head, brain stem, rectum, intestinal tract, feces that potentially contaminates the product, the whole nine yards. No doubt one day they will generate a fillet mignon in the actual cut and shape.. eliminating the grain, hay, tractors, diesel fuel, meat cutter,...

Better hang onto that you'll need something to wrap your sausages in.

[Mark Bolton]

Better hang onto that you'll need something to wrap your sausages in.

I thought that was sheep? Bovine intestine would make for some two fisted sausage no?

[Jerry Bruette]

I thought that was sheep? Bovine intestine would make for some two fisted sausage no?

My wife used to work at a company that processed and sold natural casings and some of them were called beef bungs and they came packed in barrels with salt from Brazil. Around the holidays they would make custom shapes like football's and candy canes.

[Mel Fulks]

I thought that was sheep? Bovine intestine would make for some two fisted sausage no?

Casanova's journals mention it

[Doug Garson]

Meat production is the fourth largest contributer to global warming. "As indicated by a 2011 study, cultured meat can offer many advantages over conventional meat: It would reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 78-96 per cent and require 7-45 per cent less energy and 82-96 per cent less water.Nov 29, 2019" https://skepticalscience.com/How-much-does-animal-agriculture-eating-meat-contribute-global-warming.html

[Doug Dawson]

There was an article in the NYTimes a few months ago, re how our age might be characterized when far in the future archeologists examine our remains. It will be called “The Age of the Chicken”, for the overwhelming presence of chicken bones in our stratum.

[Michael Weber]

Gotta say I love the variety of topics here. Very enjoyable and often educational.

[Mark Bolton]

There was an article in the NYTimes a few months ago, re how our age might be characterized when far in the future archeologists examine our remains. It will be called “The Age of the Chicken”, for the overwhelming presence of chicken bones in our stratum.

I just listened to a podcast a few days ago (cant remember the episode) that spoke about how chicken rarely eaten until the leave it to beaver nuclear family generation. Too much work for too little reward until the age of widespread 100% antibiotic intoxication of the flock, growth hormone, and so on. Kinda like hunters who hunt wild turkeys and come out with a couple small breasts perhaps enough for a person or two at most yet we've created these "birds" that are so insanely out of the norm, can barely walk, and so on, so we can have these buttery bronze betty crocker, june cleaver, turkey dinners to photograph all glistening crispy.

All the while, MS, ALS, Cancer, IBS, C-dif, all industrial age diseases that never existed prior-to... and many many more.

[Bill Dufour]

I think it was FDR who promised a car in every garage and a chicken in every pot. back then very few had a garage and chicken was only on Sunday special meal. Now chicken is the cheapest meat and many have a two or three car garage..
Bil lD

[Jim Becker]

...and many have a two or three car garage..
Bil lD

Bill. You misspoke. That's a shop, not a garage. :) :D

[Michael Weber]

bill. You misspoke. That's a shop, not a garage. :) :d. ........lol