Used Shaper

[Jesse Suders]

Hello. I have the opportunity to purchase a 2001 grizzly 1035 with extension wing, router collet, and caster stand. It has a broken spindle collar ($115). My question is, is it worth it 400+ in on the 20 yr old shaper?

[Matt Day]

If you have an immediate need and don’t mind fixing it up and possibly find more stuff that needs attention, then maybe. It’s basically a 20 year old shaper by the way, and a good rule of thumb is new bearings every 20 years. So that’s motor and cartridge bearings. Costs of used machines can add up quick, so getting them for cheap is necessary. I wouldn’t buy it as I prefer vintage American made like Powermatic and Delta.

[Jesse Suders]

I fat fingered it - corrected to 20. I have a need, immediate no, but I am making a lot of cabinets lately and a shaper would be nice. I run a small shop as a side business and COVID kicked it into overdrive. I guess I’ll look elsewhere where, as I want to spend 1,000 or less. Seems like what you listed would get me there fast.

[eugene thomas]

if kick tire to long might not matter to ya as will be in someone elses shop.

[Mark Bolton]

Pass.. Just pass.

[Jesse Suders]

Pass.. Just pass.

I’ll take that advice. That being said, if anyone in the central PA are has a 1.5 or 3 hp shaper for sale that is in decent shape... I’m interested...

[Bill Dufour]

spindle collar, Do you mean table insert ring? If you mean cast iron critical piece forget it.
Does it have both 1/2 and 3/4 spindles. I paid $200 for mine with nothing broken and 1/2,3/4 and router collet. You will need dc to run it.
Bil lD

[Jesse Suders]

spindle collar, Do you mean table insert ring? If you mean cast iron critical piece forget it.
Does it have both 1/2 and 3/4 spindles. I paid $200 for mine with nothing broken and 1/2,3/4 and router collet. You will need dc to run it.
Bil lD

Yes, the piece that holds the spindle in place. The bolt bracket is broken. Piece 126 on the part chart for the 1035.

[Mike Kees]

Jesse you would outgrow that machine in about 2 weeks. They are right around $1000 new.

[Mike Cutler]

I personally would pass, primarily because it is broken.
$400.00 on Craigslist is about the beginning range of Delta 43-3xx, and Powermatic machines. Machines ready to go, that aren't broken.
If you're willing to put $1K into one, you should be able to find some fairly nice, 3-5HP machines, available. Possibly even with a power feeder included.

[Bill Dufour]

$750 new + shipping. No extension wing, no roller stand.

[Jared Sankovich]

Here is a Northfield 5hp in Reading for $500
https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/706382003635269/

[Jesse Suders]

That’s what I was wondering too. The capacity and my needs. I’ve done everything with a cheap router table up to this point. My stuff looks great from what I am told but I think a shaper would step it up a notch. So are you saying it’s too small, under powered, or something else?

[Mike Kees]

Jesse I can only tell you my experience. I had a 3hp steel city shaper for about 10 years. It was used with router bits for probably the first 7 years. When I bought a euroblock head and started using it with a power feeder, I discovered some of what a shaper was capable of. The machine is limited by the size and mass of the spindle and the bearings that support it. Three h.p. machines have small spindle cartridges/bearings and can be overloaded and worked by cutterheads that are to big in diameter and to heavy. Aluminum heads help somewhat. Long story short I had to replace my bearings in about a year and half. I sold this machine and replaced it with two bigger far more capable machines. One is five horse the other 7.5 hp. Shapers need a solid adjustable fence and a substantial spindle supported by a long and heavy cartridge under the table with bigger bearings. The Grizzly you are talking about lacks these two features in my opinion. Look for a Minimax T40 or T3. Check out SCM or Sac. Just look" under the hood " to figure out what I am talking about.

[Mike Kees]

Jared is pointing you in the right direction.

[Mel Fulks]

I don't see any mention of speed , or speeds. Shapers with only 8000 rpm are not good for use with carbide cutters.
For fences ,many make their own, often have to for some jobs.

[Mel Fulks]

My post was in regard to the one Jared posted. NOT the one Op was asking about , of which I have not seen a pic.
Sorry .

[Jared Sankovich]

I don't see any mention of speed , or speeds. Shapers with only 8000 rpm are not good for use with carbide cutters.
For fences ,many make their own, often have to for some jobs.

Its likely single speed and 8000. Carbide and rpm are entirely dependent on cutter head diameter. I have Carbide heads that want more than 8k and ones that can't run that high.

Would more speeds be better, sure but ill take a single speed northfield over a 1.5hp grizzly every day.

[Mel Fulks]

Its likely single speed and 8000. Carbide and rpm are entirely dependent on cutter head diameter. I have Carbide heads that want more than 8k and ones that can't run that high.

Would more speeds be better, sure but ill take a single speed northfield over a 1.5hp grizzly every day.

I agree , and sometimes the speed doesn't matter much. But things like cabinet door sets and lock mitre won't even
fit without 10,000 rpm. I've seen that tried ,they just don't close up.

[Warren Lake]

I sure wouldnt have any interest in a single speed shaper. All tooling requires different speeds and more serious cuts and large heads will go down to 2,900 RPM, Serrated 3,500. Even the 60 year old combos I have have two speeds, one you could run serrated and the high speed brazed.

[Jared Sankovich]

I agree , and sometimes the speed doesn't matter much. But things like cabinet door sets and lock mitre won't even
fit without 10,000 rpm. I've seen that tried ,they just don't close up.

Again it's really about the head. I run my lock miter head about 6800-7200, and door heads 6 to 8k depending.


I sure wouldnt have any interest in a single speed shaper. All tooling requires different speeds and more serious cuts and large heads will go down to 2,900 RPM, Serrated 3,500. Even the 60 year old combos I have have two speeds, one you could run serrated and the high speed brazed.

Most of the us owwm shapers are single speed 7200 or 8000. The big exception is the direct drive 3600/7200 machines with the frequency doubler.

By serrated 3500 do you mean you running lock edge/corrugated at that speed?

[Warren Lake]

serrated split collar 3,500 RPM, Tennon heads larger 2,900 RPM. I have heads to 9,600 here. The corrugated stuff have to check memory was it was about 6,000