Trying out a different type of Dovetail joint

[steven c newman]

Seen this on an episode of the Woodwright's Shop...Chris Schwarz was discussing how Campaign Furniture was made...

Corner joints looked like this...
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Hmmmm, a dovetail joint?
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Ooooo-kay....
A look at the inside, might provide a clue?
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Yeah, yeah...had a bit of chip out...First time I've done these sort of joints...pine to pract-ize a bit on..
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Ah...there they are....
Lay them down?
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I am sure others on this site have done better ones...and will be along to show them off.....however, I am just using up some scraps of Pine, and decided to try these out...

I might just keep this going a bit, and post how I somehow managed to kill an afternoon, playing around in the shop....with hand tools....

Stay tuned

[steven c newman]

lets see...had a scarp of Pine 1x6....a few screw holes along one edge. And, a big old knot in the middle of the other edge. Combo square to mark a line along both edges, to remove the stuff...then a bit of cross cutting..
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Wound up with a pair of ~6" long blanks...then cut the remaining board in two...Bandsaw left wavy edges...of course, so..
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Clamped all 4 together, and jointed the edges smooth...Jack plane is sporting new handles....seems to work quite nicely, given that at one time, someone else had brazed it back together...

Back to the mitre box....needed 4 shoulder cuts made ( Schwarz did it his way, I have mine..)
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Just saw down to the line, and try not to cut it....then back to the bench..
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A wide chisel to remove the waste..and we have the rebates done..
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Time for some lay outs..
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Turn this around, so I can see where I am sawing at..
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And, yes, I used that Red Devil "Putty Knife" in the kerfs....seemed to work..
Chopping block?
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All nice and cleaned out...The next item, was to layout the tail board to match ( and NOT a through dovetail like the first try was, second try was a bit better)

Again, saw as much as I could, putty knife to finish the kerfs, chisel out the waste....and do the dry fit. had to use the mallet to assemble it.

One corner done...might as well try the other 3? Will see how these improve. Might get the hang of this...some day?

Stay tuned ( What does one call this sort of joint?)

[James Pallas]

Looking good Steven. Blind dovetails. I posted about doing them a year or so ago. I like them for drawers. Very clean looking and strong. Miter the closing joint and it looks like a miter joint but stronger. The general opinion at that time was not favorable. Everyone seems to like dovetails to show. They used to cover those dovetails with cockbeading to hide them in the past.

[Thomas Wilson]

I think it is the Newman Hidden Dovetail.

[Andrew Pitonyak]

That is not something that I have tired.... someday perhaps.


https://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/havent-tried-full-blind-dovetails-time/

Looks good Steve!

[steven c newman]

Ok...Day #2 of the Dovetail Class for me....Was looking for an easier way to layout out the angles....hmmm....maybe..
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have you ever noticed the ends of one of these bevel gauges? Turns out it is almost the right angle...
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Just lay the long edge along to rebate, and mark as needed...

Then, more layouts, for lines to saw to (trying to LEAVE the lines...maybe..) then turn the board around in the vise, and use the No.68 Dovetail saw....after each line was sawn, without too much overcut...
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It has a very thin, but stiff blade, does not flex...nor does it split the wood ( so far)....then set up a spot the chop out the waste at,,
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Be sure to clean the "floor" in each spot..
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Doesn't take all that long...either. next, use this to lay out the tails...
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The tricky part is the places the 1/2 pins go....cutting from 3 directions...and NOT splitting things out...
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Nothing split! Ok...stay tuned...

[steven c newman]

Was getting too many pictures...so, set this up to get the waste chopped out....had already done all the saw and knife work...
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again, doesn't take all that long to do....have to shave a few spots....make sure that floor is flat..
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Then try a dry fit...
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Well, the inside does look a little better....maybe? Not chipouts, at least..
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Outside corner is looking better, not quite as gappy....there was a few issues,
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End of the rebate, the one that WILL show....was slightly out of square...and also leaning a bit...Jack took care of that..checked with a square...

Inside the rebate...90 degree corner...wasn't...so..
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Intend to fix THAT during the next session....Day #3

Stay tuned..:D

[steven c newman]

Well, Day 3 turned into Day 4....was too tired to work in the shop on Day 3....so
Once the ends were checked for square, AND squared up....then the fun can begin..
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Took my time, laying out the pins, this time ( tain't no rush, is there?)
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Then a bit of hand saw work..followed by that "Kerf Knife"
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Being careful not to split off the 1/2 Pin, as I chopped..
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Still, it doesn't take all that long to chop out the pins...use these to lay out the tails
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Yeah, this one is going to take careful chopping...
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had the wrong line marked out....corrected that...get the waste chopped out...
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And do a dry fit....mallet assisted, of course....then...PIZZA arrived! Then back to the shop, repeat all the above...and then a dry fit of all 4 corners..
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May come back tomorrow, and finish making this into a small box? We'll see

Stay tuned....

[Jerry Olexa]

Good work, Steve...Interesting joint

[Mike Henderson]

I have a couple of tutorials on lesser used dovetail techniques - here (http://www.mikes-woodwork.com/FullBlindDovetail.htm)and here (http://www.mikes-woodwork.com/SecretDovetail.htm).

Mike

[steven c newman]

Decided to go ahead and make this into a box....need to plough a groove for the bottom panel, and the top panel...
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And..give an old plough plane a work out...
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G. Roseboom, of Cincinnati, OH. about 1864...might be more of a match plane, than a simple plough. Shavings do curl right up...and exit out the right side of the plane...
Checked a panel for fit..
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get this one marked for length, and cut a second panel....
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All assembled...the glue and a few clamps..
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Will let this sit overnight, then see about slicing the lid off....

Wondering IF I should set up the Stanley 45 to cut a couple of beads all the way around, right where the saw cut will be? Hmmmm...stay tuned..:D

[steven c newman]

Well, the clamps came off today...box was in need of a clean up..
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Top needed leveled, edges needed a rounding over..
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Gave all 4 sides a few licks with the #3 smoother...

Wanted a pair of beads, right where the lid will get sawn off...
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We have ways....run one bead all the way around....reset the fence on the 45..
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IF I had felt up to it, would have hand sawn the lid off ( should have anyway..)instead the bandsaw tried it's best..
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Trying to do the "Wave"....which meant another plane got used...
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The jack plane was long enough to span across at the corners, and level things out...

Next up? Hinges?

[steven c newman]

Hinges: I don't like to do hinges like this, but..with the beads in the way...
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hard to lay these out, recess for them...and assemble...at least they do work...

Then a way to keep the lid closed, besides sitting in the vise..
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Had to incise a bit...them beads were in the way, again....walked the gouge around... then chisel out the waste...
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And that just leaves doing a finish....

As for the Stanley 45..
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had to chose between these 2 cutters.....chose the smaller one ( #23?)
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Then set things up in the plane. Cutter does NOT like hitting end grain, though..
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Wound up making a shallow saw cut....didn't really help all that much..

Anyway, thanks for looking in...I may just use these dovetails again.....

[steven c newman]

And...that will do it, for now...project was more about learning to make that dovetail joint..
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Than bragging about how this or that type of screw looks in a simple pair of hinges..
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Project was all about HOW to do this type of Dovetail joint.....
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And...next time...I will be using a handsaw to split off the lid.....bandsaw seems to like doing a wavy line...

Just a scrap of Pine, stands 3-1/4" tall with the lid closed...is 7" across the front, and 6" along each side.....

Maybe next time, I'll try to use some fancy wood (like Poplar..Ash?) and build a larger version.....this box is about the same size as the one C. Schwarz made on The Woodwright's Shop.....but, without the double beads where the lid opens......May just stash a "Tool Kit" inside mine....
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Perfectly fitted, too
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Just the thing, for those "cheap Phillips screws", don't you think?

thanks for looking in...was a fun way to spend a week IN the shop...and....not spend a dime doing it...

[steven c newman]

A LONG time ago. I actually tried the "Secret" Mitered Dovetail joint....in Walnut, no less....learned quite a bit....like doing the rebates on the ends..
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These need to be done to all the ends...3/4" board = 1/4" rebate by 1/2" deep. This is to allow a miter cut some room...
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Do NOT plough any grooves first...
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As they will just mess up any layout going on...better to do the dovetails first, THEN worry about any groovy things going on...
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This was before I knew about such things as a Kerf Knife....was getting some overcuts...mitered edge was ok, a chisel was used to make the miter there..
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I suppose I could use the Wards 78 instead....somehow wound up with that "notch" at the base of the tails...

Thinking things would go easier IF I had laid out the pins first...
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May try these again...sometime?

[steven c newman]

Roh-Kay, Raggy....coat of stain, followed by a coat of BLO..front view?
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End view...remember, this IS a dovetailed box..
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Hinge view....
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Top of the lid?
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Then, open the lid...
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With the Ratchetool Socketool box inside....

Waiting to see IF it needs a coat of clear gloss....

Thanks for looking in...

[Bill Klapwyk]

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I was bored in the shop waiting for a glue up and decided to play around with a couple scraps on my bench and made this dovetail template 1:7 I made that slides you could use it for applications like this.