Need a new til for the planes

[steven c newman]

Ever since the Tool Cabinet has been finished...the planes are feeling neglected....
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The old Hammer Til has been removed, today. Unable to salvaged it, is out by the fire pit. Thinking about a "Bookcase" with doors....maybe with plexiglass "lights" in the doors? Maybe a few drawers, to hold the block plane crowd in check? Instead of standing these up, maybe sit them down on a series of shelves. Planes could sit on that foam drawer protector stuff you can buy for toolbox drawers?

Bought a bit of lumber, today....some 1 x 10 x 6's and a couple 1 x 4 x 6' planks....1 x 4s will get ripped down for stiles and rails for a pair of doors...Will wait and see what hinges will look/work the best. Will be a shelf of sorts, for the drawers to slide in on....then the first of several "main" shelves....to sit a few planes on....starting with the longest/heaviest on the first shelf....then work my way up.

need to sit this up, where the doors from it and the tool cabinet will get along...I can move the plane til back quite a bit, if need be. There is over 2' of space, front to back. have to allow for that swing. :D

"demo" of the old plane til starts tomorrow...will need a parking space for the planes to sit in...as the bench may be very busy....thinking dovetails at the corners? Shelves using sliding dovetails?

Stay tuned..the cussing has only just begun :D

[Stew Denton]

Steven,

From your experience, my own, and others posting here, it looks like a person is never really "completely done" with shop organization, storage.

One question: are you going to be able to salvage and reuse some of the lumber in your existing til set up? Salvaging lumber is something I do a lot of, which is why I have a lot of "Semi OK" lumber around that l haven't used. Throwing stuff away is not my strong point.

Regards,

Stew

[steven c newman]

We'll see what I can do.....Hammer till was de-laminating...and was glued as well as screwed together. Would be nice IF I could reuse the plywood of the plane til....for the back of the new one....have to see what else I can scrounge....so far, a bunch of screws....will see what I can do for drawer parts...may even have some for dividers in the drawers.

Will find out tomorrow....as soon as a parking spot for all them planes can be found....

[steven c newman]

Ok...Moose & Squirrel delivered The Plan...
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And the old til has been moved out of the way...
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Planes have been stashed out of "harm's way"....not sure I'd trust this group, though..
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Liable to come back later, and find 21 of them sitting there....bad as Mice...

Goal was to allow the right hand door of the Tool Cabinet to swing fully opened...
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I used a sharpie to mark where the door swings through at...so I know where the left hand edge of the Plane Til will be..
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I don't need the plane til right out near the edge....it can sit back a bit. Will need to sit up on 1" thick "feet" pads....to clear the top of the bench.

Wonder IF I'll need to "pull a Permit" for this?
Stay tuned :D

( Idea: Rotate the old til, split it down the middle, hinge the "halves" to the sides of the Saw Til...Add a plywood "cover" to the top....dust seal. We'll see..)

[steven c newman]

Hmmm...ok...I also wanted to find out how far I could reach to the right.....and made a mark there..
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So...about 30" wide. Will need to set this up on 1" thick foot pads, so I have clearance over the top of the bench....

Thinking through dovetails at the corners...and sliding dovetails to hold the shelves.....3 drawers along the bottom, means two dividers between them.

Will get the case built first....then start on the 2 doors. And, 3 drawers. May drill a few access holes in the bottom shelf...so I can drive a few screws into the foot pads....have a lot of weight coming in...need this so it will not tip over. Holes would be just big enough for the driver to drive the screws.

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Now, about this thing...assembled with lots of glue back in the day. Thinking I could split this down the middle, rotate it 180 degrees, and hinge this to the saw til...add a panel across the top as a dust cover...and add a latch. May have to hang the longer mitre saws elsewhere....and saw the saw til for regular handsaws? That way, they will stay dust free....

stay tuned....not much else going on in my shop....

[steven c newman]

hauled a few things to the shop after Lunch....
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2 planks...will be enough for the top, bottom and both sides,,,and a tad left over..
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A pair of D8 crosscut saws...Panel saw is a 10ppi, full length is an 11 ppi...gave both a work out...
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Learning to work out of the Tool Cabinet,,,some things will stay out, for now..
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Decided to at least try "Tails" first....not a big fan, though..
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A few things missing? Laid out the tails...
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Then saw the tails...
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then chop the tails..
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Stay tuned..

[steven c newman]

finally...tails were done..
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Then use these to lay out the pins...
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More handsaw work..trying to leave the lines, and cut on the waste side of them...
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Broom Handle was taking too long...too many teeth...No. 4 only needed about 8 full length strokes. Then the chopping again..
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Chop down 1/2 way from this face...then flip things over, and finish up..
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Now, the main reason I leave the lines....I can trim up to them, as I fit the joint together,,,
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Couple lines were sawn away...loose fit. meh...guess this will be the hidden corner..
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Busy day, making sawdust..til the cramps started up..
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Next 3 corners will be done Pins first...I get better results that way.

Head count for shelves....came up one board short :mad: So, when I go to get that plywood for the back...I'll pick up one more board. :rolleyes:
Closed up the doors to the Cabinet, and called it a day....Uncle Charles in still in the house...and my legs...

Stay tuned..

[steven c newman]

Hmmm...well, too late now...What was labeled as 1 x 10s in the racks....turned out to be 1 x 8s....Picked up an actual 1 x 10 today....not a biggie...can rip the "wide" board down to match the others. Might even get rid of a bad edge?

Only 1/4" x 4' x 4' plywood available....was pine. had it cut down to 30" x 4', to fit in my van.

Not starting out too well....rained all the way to Lowes, and back....get everything into the house..rain stops....Trying to tell me something?

Will continue on with the 1 x 8s....and try some more dovetails...after Lunch has settled....wish me luck...

[steven c newman]

Somehow, when doing Pins first...things seem to go quicker....
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Ready to work on some shelves...Got 3 corners done, today...
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2 dry fits..
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3rd corner dry fit..
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And the last corner dry fitted. Was a chippy kind of day..
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Some of these even bounced off of me....

Will see how tomorrow goes....may have a few shelves ready...
Stay tuned :D

[steven c newman]

Getting ready for a glue-up..after Supper....cussing levels will require ear plugs....almost to the level of the first 10 minutes of "Full Metal Jacket" .....

Sliding dovetails have been milled....Shelves cut to length and pins milled on the ends. Dividers between the 3 drawers have been milled, and ready to go.
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Once the bottom of the case is driven down home into the corner joint, the dividers will slide right in...Grain direction has been maintained throughout...so I can apply glue to all the parts.
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At least, these lined up....looks like a row of bow ties....
Too many joints to glue, too many clamps to use....not enough hands....it might get ugly in the shop, later...:o

Stay tuned...:D

[steven c newman]

Well, it be in the clamps..
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A LOT of clamps...
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I think the clamps might weigh more than the case does?
Think I'll go work on a different "case" ....
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I'm whopped...

[steven c newman]

More fun today....removing that forest of clamps, and installing a plywood back....while squaring up the case.

Doors: Do I cover the drawers, or stop the doors just above them....? Hinges? Latch?

Drawers: Inset, or...overlay...? Handles?

Install foot pads....to the case, then down in place....drawers will be in the way....may extend the pads a bit...front and back.

Plexiglass: rebates or grooves?

[steven c newman]

Clamps came off, nothing blew up...reinforced the joints for the shelves with a couple screws on each end...set it aside.
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While I brought the plywood down to the shop...and sliced of a bit...
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Yes, I wore those goggles, saw was kicking a lot of junk up into my face. Then, made a square corner..
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Then used a LONG pipe clamp to pull the case into square..
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More glue and screws. then attach those foot pads to the bottom of the case...then the case was set where it belonged....making sure the door from the Tool Cabinet will swing by..
then just load it up...
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Still need 3 drawers built...and either one or two doors made. I even found a Centerpiece for the top of the case...
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22" long woodie....Auburn Tool Co., Auburn NY. #81...I think.

That will be enough for one day...still sore from yesterday....may work on drawers next.
Stay tuned....and have a safe Easter weekend, you all.

[steven c newman]

Rumour Control says there IS a tablesaw located in the shop....somewhere..
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Seems I need it, to rip most of those cut-offs down for drawer/door parts....
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Ah....knew it was still down here....set things up to do some ripping...
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Not only does that fence guide my router, and my circular saw.....also a pretty good fence for the tablesaw....
needed 12 parts, for 3 drawers...
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That I can then cross cut into sides and drawer fronts...and still have enough for the backs of the drawers...
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Thinking 3/4" thick for the sides of these drawers MIGHT be a bit too thick? Maybe resaw the sides and backs down a bit...1/2" or 5/8" thick....and leave the fronts at 3/4".....too late in the day...leave that for another day...

Stay tuned...

Hmmm..wondering....one door, or two doors? Will use a piano hinge, either way. have priced the Plexiglass panel....at Blue BORG. $20 for a sheet the size of the front of the til, would have to trim to fit..

[steven c newman]

THOUGHT I was done in the shop for today....went down to look at Mallets....wound up resawing Pine..
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Blade all the way up. fence is as close as I can safely saw a thin board....I think it is just over 1/2" between the fence and the blade. Made a long of thin scraps.
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But..drawer backs and sides are now a bit thinner...
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Should work ok for the drawers...left the fronts at 3/4" thick.

NOW...I am done for the day..:rolleyes:

[Ray Newman]

Good news that Moose and Squirrel were able to deliver The Plan! Word out on the street is that Boris and Natasha were looking to intercept them and take The Plan!

Complete story in tomorrow's edition of the Frostbite Falls Daily.

[steven c newman]

Maybe get the news from the Whatsamatta U. Student Newspaper?

Anyway...
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Spent the day milling parts for the drawers...Edges planed so the sides and front fit. Grooves and dados made....Worked on dovetails for a bit..
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Used the Stanley 71-1/2 to clean the bottom of the dados...
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And some 1/4" wide grooves..
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Managed to get one drawer in the clamps, and glued up...by 5pm quitting time..
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One done, two to go...need to find the rest of them door handles....
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Gonna need a few...before too much longer...
Will need to make some trim pieces, to cover where the doors won't.

[steven c newman]

Went to the Blue Borg this morning....5 handles, and a sheet of plexiglass....the the Drive-thru over at Burger King to pick up Lunch....waiting on that to settle, then try the shop for a bit..

Stay (burp) Tuned....Film @2300hrs...I hope...

[steven c newman]

Drawer No. 1.....cleaned up, handle installed..
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Set it in it's new home, for now....while I work on drawer No. 2
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Which was soon all clamped up...
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Would have liked to start on Drawer No. 3...but...
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Will have to wait on the glue to dry...again. 2 hours of shop time, on a MONDAY? better not press my luck...

Stay Tuned...tomorrow is another day...

[steven c newman]

Have an appointment this morning....blood thinner clinic....then we'll see about hiding out in the shop...

May do a molding around the drawers, since the doors won't cover them up.

Stay tuned...will see what sort of trouble I can get into, today...

[steven c newman]

Finger Poke Reading...1.9, Not too bad. Got to the shop about ...1200 hrs.....was done just after 1430Hrs....Drawer #2 came out of the clamps..
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Drawer front planed smooth..
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So where the sides. Got out a handle to install....needed ground round..the "Before"
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Yeah, I don't like them, either...so...the After..
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To install the handle...needed to center it up on the drawer's front...
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Then that North Brothers No. 41 to make a couple pilot holes for the screws. Once installed, it can sit out of the way with Drawer #1..
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2 done, one to go...Have to keep an eye out....
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Block planes are checking things out, as other planes take their spots from them...
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Ohio No. 035 is in the til...

Part 2 of today's follies? Coming right up....Mother Nature takes precedence....
BRB, stay tuned..

[steven c newman]

Ok, Drawer #2 done...might as well get#3 into the clamps...
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Clean up the grooves and dados..
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Pins laid out on one end of the drawer front, do a bit of handsaw work, then..
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Some work with a mallet and chisel...halfway from one side, flip over finish the chopping...small rasp to clean up...use the pins to lay out the tails...bandsaw to make a bunch of cuts..
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Along with the last chisel, I used this fancy one to get into the corners..same as before, chop in halfway, flip over, and finish the chopping..
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Then a test fit...
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Has a notch where the bottom's groove comes through..no biggie...end grain plug like the other 2 drawers...Then the clamps, cauls, and glue....after getting the plywood bottom to fit..
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Sweep the floor, call it a day...

will start laying things out for two doors, later...need 4 stiles and 4 rails, to start with....M&T at the corners...run a groove to house the plexiglass "windows" and buy some hinges and a latch...there's always tomorrow, eh?
Stay tuned....another week, and a finish?

[steven c newman]

Hmmm, when I close up shop for the day, sometimes it is hard to just leave it closed..:rolleyes:
Sitting around, doing nothing but thinking, dangerous, I know.....decided to at least add the "molding" around the drawer openings..
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Nothing real fancy, but I needed to rip some stock for it..
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Ripped from some 1 xs scrap...because I also decided to rip stiles...
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And of course some rails to match..
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After a quick trip upstairs to make sure the groove will fit over the plexiglass panel...

So..tomorrow will be getting the last drawer done, then a LOT of figuring, measuring, sketching....to find out how 8 pieces of pine will turn into a pair of doors..
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Like how much of a tenon to make on the ends of the rails...
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And how the two doors will meet up in the middle....maybe some sort of lap joint along the meeting edges? Will see how well that Wallmart Mallet works doing mortises...?
Stay tuned....

[steven c newman]

Payday! Bills to pay, errands to run. May get to the shop later? We'll see what happens....no rush, right?

[steven c newman]

Drawer #3 is fitted..
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And parts for the left hand door have been dry-fitted...
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1/2 lap where the doors will meet has been milled, and checked with a piece of scrap set-up block..
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Mortise and tenons?
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Used the Mortise Jig..
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Where I can clamp a stile in place, lay out the mortise, move the part back a bit, and chop the mortise...
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Tenons are 1/4"....groove for the plexi isn't quite that wide...

Hinges, a latch, and a tool to cut the plexiglass was picked up today...along with a shoplight for above the drill press/sander area...then forgot a light bulb..:mad:
Going to be one of THEM days...stay tuned...

[steven c newman]

Had issues with cutting the plexiglass panel....was enough good left, I could made one panel for the lefthand door..and got it glued up...
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With cauls to keep the corners flat. Panel issues?
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Despite 5 passes with the cutter....and snapping on a edge (tablesaw...block of wood on top of the plexi...) it snapped wrong...will need to a pre-cut panel for the right hand door...as soon as I find out what size...
Latch?
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Handles will be black, might as well have this black as well.

Let the glue up sit overnight....may go ahead and hinge it, and install the door....should be a world of fun...:rolleyes:
Stay tuned...

[James Pallas]

Well done Steven. Straight forward soundly built. Will last a long time.

[steven c newman]

Right hand door is now in the clamps...waiting on glue to dry..
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Left hand door had it's rebate cleaned up..
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Then hinged and a handle..
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and the "swing" checked...
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Just waiting on glue to dry....I did check the door for square, during the glue up..
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Seems to be square...
Fun part will be tomorrow, when I go to hang this door....may have to move the bench a bit....to get my fat body in place..
Stay tuned...

[steven c newman]

Methinks I be done....
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Open the doors to let it air out a bit...
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Handle details
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Magnetic catch on the inside for the right hand door...

Letting the Witch's Brew dry for a while...and see where I missed...

[Stew Denton]

Steven,

Nice job, and I think you are going to enjoy using it! It looks like it will be quick and handy storage for planes.

Stew

[Axel de Pugey]

Than you Steven, nice addition to your shop.

I often thought it would be nice to have doors on my plane shelf, but I don’t think it would work in my situation. My shop is so small, each time I am done with a #6/7/8 it has to be back on it’s parking spot, and opening two doors every 2mn would not work.

Maybe I could organise better but having more than 2 long planes on the bench at the same time is already too much clutter with the rest. As I have no other temporary parking, open shelves just above the bench allow me to quickly place back a plane out of the way.

It was nice of you to document the build.

[steven c newman]

This is the area I have to work in..
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Not a whole of room...then open the four doors...
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So, basically, I'll get out what tools i'd need for the tasks....and close things back up....unless I figure out which tool I missed. Tools in use get set into the tool well, until needed.

Sometimes, they are put back at the end of the day, sometimes not...depends on what is being done...

Next up? A better "box" for these things...
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As they are getting mighty dusty sitting like that...
Picked up a couple 1 x10 x 6' Pine planks....may need one more....but, that's a tale for another post..
Stay tuned...