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[Mark Singer]

Checking local machinery auctions i found a clean specimen...monster of a saw...3 phase 7.5 HP with a second scoring motor....condition and price look good....from a reliable company...Now how much bigger do I make the shop and how much will that cost:confused:

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[Dick Parr]

I don't have any idea to the answers to your question Mark but, WOW. :eek: That is some saw.

[Ken Fitzgerald]

Mark......first...you're the architect! You'll figure out the size and cost I'm sure! Secondly, what a piece of iron! I'll bet that thing will even meet Dev's high standards for quality! What does something like that weigh?

[Mark Singer]

Mark......first...you're the architect! You'll figure out the size and cost I'm sure! Secondly, what a piece of iron! I'll bet that thing will even meet Dev's high standards for quality! What does something like that weigh?

Ken,
Its a lightweight....3000 pounds is all ....151" long

[Mark Singer]

a few specs.....


7.5 HP main arbor motor, 1 HP scoring motor, 220/440/60/3 phase electrics
Sliding Carriage is 149" long, Rip-fence for 49" cutting capacity
15mm dado capacity
Maximum saw blade capacity (10"), 30mm arbor
4-3/4" scoring blade diameter
Anodized carriage and fences
Parallel safety hood with 3-1/8" dust outlet
Chip extraction outlet, 4-3/4"
Four Sawshaft speeds changed via step pulley Overall Shipping Dimensions: 151" x 82" x 62" Tall
Shipping Weight 3000 lbs.

[Richard Wolf]

That sure is a beauty. Does it come with runway lights?

Richard

[Dan Larson]

I see you're bottom feeding as usual, Mr. Singer. Somebody needs to talk with you about raising those lowly standards of yours...;)

[Paul B. Cresti]

Mark,
First make sure it is made in Germany (at least I beleive that is where Altendorf is) because one of their lower machines is made in China, I am just not sure which one. The real Altendorfs are nice, at least that is what I am told but sure are its competitors... SCM, Martin.... If the price is right, it is in good condition and you feel you can get service (unless you are comfortable doing all you own work) then I say go for it! Heck expanding the shop is the easy part, picking up the machine is the part that makes me nervous all the time :)

[Lee DeRaud]

Yer gonna need a bigger boat.:eek:
(cue 'Jaws' music)

[Gary Herrmann]

I'm not an Altendorf expert, but I was perusing their site once to practice my German, and I think the F45 is their top of the line. Get it Mark, and then ship it to me for a month so I can play with it too.

[Mark Singer]

Mark,
First make sure it is made in Germany (at least I beleive that is where Altendorf is) because one of their lower machines is made in China, I am just not sure which one. The real Altendorfs are nice, at least that is what I am told but sure are its competitors... SCM, Martin.... If the price is right, it is in good condition and you feel you can get service (unless you are comfortable doing all you own work) then I say go for it! Heck expanding the shop is the easy part, picking up the machine is the part that makes me nervous all the time :)

Germany!! ALTENDORF F-45 10' SLIDING TABLE SAW....
so it reads

[Ken Garlock]

Mark, if you are serious, talk to Steve Jenkins. He has an Altendorf in his shop. Having been to Steve's place, I can say with certainty that it is a beauty.:cool:

[Doug Jones from Oregon]

Mark...I bought this same model about 6 years ago at a auction for $10,500 to give you a comparison. When we closed down the speaker plant and sold the equipment, we got our money and a little extra back on it.

Very nice piece of equipment.

Doug

[Jim Becker]

That machine looks simliar in size to the one that Steve Jenkins has down in the Dallas area. Very nice saw. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't fit in your shop, either, and if the price is right...those puppies go new for the price of a very nice automobile! I will add that for the kind of cabinetry you tend to do, a slider is the way to go for sure...much better than a traditional cabinet saw, IMHO.

[Mark Singer]

That machine looks simliar in size to the one that Steve Jenkins has down in the Dallas area. Very nice saw. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't fit in your shop, either, and if the price is right...those puppies go new for the price of a very nice automobile! I will add that for the kind of cabinetry you tend to do, a slider is the way to go for sure...much better than a traditional cabinet saw, IMHO.

I may need to sell...."One very nice automobile":eek:

Actually the custom home cabinets I am doing now are not my typical thing....I really like the slower furniture quality where each piece is carefully joined and a lot of hand work is used...I am not sure a slider really adds much:confused:

[Jim Becker]

Actually the custom home cabinets I am doing now are not my typical thing....I really like the slower furniture quality where each piece is carefully joined and a lot of hand work is used...I am not sure a slider really adds much

I hear you. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of a slider, even for more traditional building. The problem is that most of us visualize working from the perspective of what we know and that means in most cases, an "American" design table saw. I have been learning a lot about these machines from comments by Bill Grumbine, Paul Cresti, John Renzetti and many others and indeed, when I change my point of reference, I begin to understand how I might go about things differently with such an animal in my shop...someday.

For example, I have a few really nice slabs of cherry that I aquired awhile back when Alan Turner tipped me off about an estate sale. There is no way I could work them on my current table saw...without risking either the wood or my body in some way or another. With a slider, I could easily clamp them down, straight line-rip them to clean up the edges ('have to remove some historical bug damage) and then get them prepared to glue up into a nice table after processing on other equipment or even by hand if I chose to.

[Frank Pellow]

WOW! That is one massive saw.

[John Miliunas]

Yikes!!!! You go from a "little" j/p combo and then you spring this monster on us!!!:eek: She's a beaut, Mark! :D Enlarging the shop should prove to be quite easy, me thinks. You've got the space there to go straight back into the existing parking lot and you've already got the "connection" for builders! Now...All you need to find is a good architect to design it for you and you're all set!:D :rolleyes: Anyhow, I'd say, "Go for it!!" You deserve it! You definitely can use the additional floor space anyway and with all those super deals you're finding on great wood, you'll have a space to put it all. Besides, the next time you have a dozen doors to build, you won't have to crowd your Turbo's space!:) :cool:

[nic obie]

Mark,

I think you are wise checking out the used machines. There are quite a few out there that are almost new. I bought my small MM slider from a outfit in City of Industry. Even though it was 5 years old, it had never been used. The previous owner went broke before he could even get his shop opened.