used G0691 pricing

[Bob Riefer]

Hello,
Some of you may have been separately following my heartache trying to repair my old grizzly 1023.. I'm still hopeful I can win the battle, but it's not a sure bet... and there are a couple things I wouldn't mind having in a new saw (namely, left tilt, readily available parts for future repairs, better dust collection, riving knife... and I guess way more rip capacity wouldn't hurt)

My neighbor is a really nice guy that we've become friendly with, and his job has a shop where they test various products. Not a production shop, a test shop. They have a 6 year old G0691 that was used to cut ceiling tiles (high end through run of the mill tiles) for quality testing purposes. For insurance reasons they have moved to Sawstop.

Since he runs the lab there, he had the choice to either scrap the machine (gasp!), or hold onto it for his own personal use. Thankfully, he chose the latter. Important to note that he has $0 invested in this saw and gets it as basically a perk of running the lab/saving it from scrap yard.

Anyways, he knows he has a good saw on his hands, but currently has it stored on a pallet rack at his company because he has no room for a shop right now. Someday he may buy a bigger house, so he was thinking of keeping the saw until he learned that I might be in the market. He showed me pics and it's spotless.

He's willing to sell to me, and is going to pull it down from storage (been there for a few months) this week and get an idea for price.

Given these details, what do you think a fair price ought to be for the saw? I want to keep a great neighbor as my friend, so I'm not looking to "totally score", but getting a bit of a deal (since he has paid nothing for the tool) wouldn't hurt.

Thanks!

Bob R.

[Bill Dufour]

Might help if we knew more, like is this a table saw? blade size, contractor or cabinet saw. I would not buy any saw under 10" blade. Since you are looking to upgrade I would buy only a cabinet saw. Splitter or riving knife.
Bill D.

[Bob Riefer]

The Grizzly G0691 (https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-10-3HP-220V-Cabinet-Table-Saw-with-Long-Rails-Riving-Knife/G0691) is a cabinet style table saw with 10" blade, 3HP motor, riving knife, wide rip capacity, left tilt blade. It's basically superior on every feature when compared to my existing cabinet saw.

I believe these are well-known saws, so my question is really about used pricing given the considerations listed in my original post.

Thanks!

Bob R.

[Matt Day]

Bill, googling it finds this:
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Grizzly-10-3HP-220V-Cabinet-Table-Saw-with-Long-Rails-Riving-Knife/G0691

OP, it makes it easier for us to give you advice if you help us by adding a link for instance.

Generally you start at 50% of new, or $1000 in this case. Go up or down depending on condition and sellers desperation, etc.

[Jim Becker]

The riving knife alone makes it compelling for you to purchase this apparently pristine machine for your shop and sell your existing once you have it back together. While used gear in good condition often sells for about half retail, it sounds like this tool is nearly new, but obviously out of warranty. So I'd kick that number up a bit to reflect the actual condition for your offer.

[Bob Riefer]

Thanks guys! I feel like those are reasonable points of view. I'll let neighbor friend make the first call on where to start the negotiations and take it from there.

[Bill Dufour]

Unisaw or equal cabinet saw around $500 maybe $700 with a better fence. I would expect you will spend 35-50% more for a handful of blades , upgrade fence + miter gauge.
Bill D.

[Mike Kees]

Bob ,welcome to the wonderful world of buying,selling,repairing and collecting tablesaws. :D I have been following your threads with interest and some nostalgia for the recently departed old days. (In my case). I still have two Unisaws in my shop waiting to be put together and sold. One of them has a broken arbor piece same as the Grizzly you are fixing. A friend gave it to me after having the piece welded and that not working out. I had the piece needed from a saw that I parted out,but I sold it to a "creeker" who had the same issue.( Before I inherited this saw). So now it sits till I find a used part. Hopefully I will get these saws up and running and out of my shop,but I will probably end up with another one or two following me home. At least I will never be bored.

[Bob Riefer]

One one hand, I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only heavy-handed idiot to break that arbor piece... on the other, I can truly feel their pain :-)

[Mike Kees]

Bob don't beat yourself up over this,that piece is the weak link in Unisaws and similar designs. Hopefully Grizzly will be able to provide the parts needed to get that back together.

[Bob Riefer]

The “new” saw is mine and in my shop!!! $900. Spotless and the neighbor/ seller helped me with moving it etc. more soon with pics

[Jim Becker]

Dang...great deal! Congratulations!

[Rich Aldrich]

Congrats on the new saw. I wish I had a neighbor like that. I have been following your thread as well. Painful, but it happens to many of us with one of our pieces of equipment. Mine was a Jet 6" jointer. Brand new in 2000. The part that locks the fence broke when I tightened it before I even ran it. The replacement part was 6 to 8 week back order. Since I am a mechanical engineer, I looked at it - very poorly designed. I redesigned the lock sleeves for the fence and had a machine shop make the two new parts. I haven't had an issue with it since. I am not arrogant about things, but I like to agitate, so I of course called Jet service and asked if they would like to purchase my redesign. They didn't take me up on it. I am sure I lost the warranty at that point, but ,most aren't worth the paper they are printed on.

[glenn bradley]

The “new” saw is mine and in my shop!!! $900. Spotless and the neighbor/ seller helped me with moving it etc. more soon with pics


You ROCK!!!

[Jacob Mac]

Fantastic deal. Nice work. I have a 691 and it is definitely a good saw.

[Bob Riefer]

Thanks guys!! I'm really happy with the deal, and will spend my morning coffee time today reading up on how to tune this particular saw.

The addition to the shop will require a bit of a re-org of my shop flow... the new saw is a full 12 inches wider than my old saw, I think a couple tools may need to be moved in order to allow for foot traffic through that area of my shop.

Also, since I installed 6" duct work around the shop for my DC last year, I want to be smart about these moves to try to avoid having to redo that work if at all possible.

(and, another bandsaw followed me home recently, so I have to account for that someplace)

And, most importantly, I really LOVED my shop flow as it was, and want to try to have similar advantages now. My jointer was right next to my table saw, which felt a lot like the "work triangle" concept that my wife speaks of in her kitchen.

I have a few ideas on how to make it all work, and will get started on that today. I expect it will take me the next week or so to get there, and I'll post pics soon.

Love the encouragement and help on this forum. Truly, thank you!

[Jim Becker]

Work triangle is important, both in my shop and in my kitchen. (I do the cooking...except for Sunday nights which is Professor Dr's SWIMBO's meal responsibility shift ) So I can appreciate your situation! Hopefully, you only have to make very minor shifting of things to keep things how you like them generally, even if the spacing is slightly different just because two tools cannot occupy the same space at the same time and you need to be able to move between them.

[Bob Riefer]

Whew! Lots of work getting a saw setup.

I cleaned inside the saw with wire brush, dust brush, and leaf blower. Messy but effective.

I trued up the cast iron wings. One side needed tape shim.

I was happy to find the top was square to the blade (measuring from miter slots), and also that the 90 and 45 degree stops were dead on.

I reattached the rails and extension table. Ensured everything was level and aligned as I went.

Wired a 6-20 plug on the wire provided by seller. The wire was very long so I trimmed to a healthy length for my shop setup (plus some extra). Still have to finish connecting the other end to the switch box.

I found the belts to be shot so I will replace those. SPZ 625. Having a tough time finding that size anywhere including at Grizzly’s website. I’ll call them tomorrow.

Here’s a pic of the journey so far

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[Bob Riefer]

The belts (SPZ 625) are basically impossible to source - even Grizzly cannot get them right now. They swapped me to PVM 25 belts instead, and those should arrive tomorrow.

I finished wiring the switch last night, and tested the motor (works nicely, quietly).

Also, raised the saw up onto a 3.5" tall platform. I'm tall, so this is more comfortable for me (my old saw was similarly raised), it enables the back of my jointer to fit/nest under the left edge of the table surface, and it allows the front table saw rail to fit into a space in the adjacent miter saw station (thereby allowing me to slide the entire saw over by about 5 inches... and every inch saved in my shop matters).

Next up...
- Belts when they arrive
- Build new outfeed table... been wanting a nicer one for awhile, so now is the time
- Finish the shop re-org (drill press, router table, and a storage cabinet will be moving around a bit)
- Caulk all joints on 6" PVC dust collection (because, after all this, I'm feeling like additional shop moves are not likely in the near future)

[Ken Fitzgerald]

Congratulations on the new addition Bob! May it serve you well!

[Mike Kees]

Bob did you try taking the belts to a bearing/auto parts store ? I buy all needed belts locally at two different parts stores,usually for my machines all machine belts have been "A" series belts made for machines and electric motors . They can measure with a belt sizing tool which I prefer to do as I have had belts with sizes clearly marked and then found the new one slightly longer or shorter.

[Curt Harms]

Bob did you try taking the belts to a bearing/auto parts store ? I buy all needed belts locally at two different parts stores,usually for my machines all machine belts have been "A" series belts made for machines and electric motors . They can measure with a belt sizing tool which I prefer to do as I have had belts with sizes clearly marked and then found the new one slightly longer or shorter.

That was my thought. We have a local outfit, Callahan and all they do are bearings belts and drives. As far as power transmission, if they don't have it or can't have it in a day or two you don't need it. I put link belts on my G1023 before I read I wasn't supposed to do that:o. They're working fine so I'm not about to change 'em. If I were doing it again I'd probably put AX type belts on there.

[Bob Riefer]

Hey guys!
I definitely tried sourcing locally as a first step. Three separate suppliers were unable to source SPZ625 but were willing to swap me to a 25 inch belt, but couldn't tell me if the various dimensions were basically identical to the SPZ measurements... And (to my surprise) their pricing was far higher than Grizzly.

My concern was... if Grizzly is willing to stand behind a swap from the SPZ625 belt to a specific 25 inch belt that they stock (PVM 25 in their system, more commonly called 3L 250 I believe), at a much lower price compared to local options, I figured it was worth waiting for a day or two for it to arrive in the mail.

I'm probably overthinking it, but I've had so many issues lately with my saw that I was willing to wait :-)

[Bob Riefer]

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!


The new belts arrived, and I installed them successfully. Squared / tuned the fence, and did some test cuts. I was able to produce two popular planks that are identical to each other regardless of how they're flipped around and compared, and cutting the 1" material was smooth and easy. Saw runs smooth and quiet, no vibration, no burning on the cuts etc.

I'll call that SUCCESS!

[Bob Riefer]

All done!

Outfeed is melamine over a heavy duty drafting table base. $80 total invested there. Way more space than I had before.

[Rick Potter]

Perseverance pays off. Congrats. Enjoyed reading your saga.

[Bob Riefer]

Thanks Rick! It was quite the saga for sure. I feel like the woodworking gods wanted me to learn this new skill :-)