Patent date?

[steven c newman]

In a weird spot?

Project for today; take a drill bit..
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and a handle..that fit..
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Grind and file a new tip on the drill bit..
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Until it match the slots..
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On this rip saw's bolts. Seemed to work, too..
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Only to find a patent date on each nut,
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Can only see it, once you flip the nut over to the non-showing side

PAT DEC 31 1881

Plan is to remove the handle, clean the plate and sharpen it up, maybe refinish the intact handle a bit. Not sure who made this saw...haven't found any etch...yet

Stay tuned. Saw is a 5-1/2 rip....

[Pete Taran]

That's actually the Washbourne patent from Dec 31, 1867

http://www.datamp.org/patents/search/advance.php?pn=72766&id=7540&set=2

[steven c newman]

To build the screwdriver needed.....I bought a drill bit
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Then find a handle to hold the bit...
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Take these, and a big cup of water down to the shop's grinder...and also dig out a file
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File to square the notch. Had to thin the flat part until it just fits into the slots.
Handle was part of a yard sale find last year. Paid less than $5 for the drill bit. didn't take all that long to grind the bit to fit.
May dig around and find a punch to drive the bolts out?
paid a dollar for the saw, itself. handle has NO cracks. May need to refinish it, though.

Stay tuned

[Kurtis Johnson]

That's actually the Washbourne patent from Dec 31, 1867

http://www.datamp.org/patents/search/advance.php?pn=72766&id=7540&set=2

Cool! Those are a first for me.

[steven c newman]

Have found a couple "drive pin" punches about the right size. Intend to gently tap the bolts back through the handle. May add a socket under the handle, just big enough for the head of the bolt to drop into...and stop the wood from trying to go along...

Once the plate is free of the handle, I can start to clean both up. Need to keep the bolts in the order they go in the handle, with the nut that came with them....maybe a tray with some tape to hold them still.

Wondering what to finish that handle with...shellac? Brasso to shine the brass up. Will also sharpen them teeth a bit....looks to be about a 5-1/2....

Stay tuned...

[steven c newman]

Well, found the wrong sized pins...
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Dig around a bit longer...
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Found it! There is an empty dog hole under the handle, to catch the bolt. Needed that pin to line up the holes again....once things were cleaned up, and sharpened..
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haven't found an etch, but..there is a "6" stamped down by the teeth...and between the bottom and 2nd hole..there is a "C" stamp. Mr. Wentworth..
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Was needed for a bit...
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handle was cleaned up, brass shined up, pieces put back together....bolts filed flush with the nuts..
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And then the test drive...
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Not too bad of an old saw?

[steven c newman]

In order for the new screwdriver to get a better grip on the next set of bolts...
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needed to enlarge the slots a bit...
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Put a small cutter in the Dremel....was then able to remove the split nuts..
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Sorry, didn't find any patent dates under these....I did find square shanks, though..
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handle will need a lot of repair....somehow a Curly Maple one just doesn't seem right....
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Much prefer the Apple instead. There is a second split at the bottom edge of the handle....half afraid to remove that friction tape patch they installed...
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Once the handle was GENTLY removed, I did find a stamp...."J"?

Plus there is this stamped further along the plate..
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So, have shined up the brass, will try to clean the plate up a bit better....not sure IF I can see them tiny 10 ppi teeth....then try to decide about repairing the handle...
stay tuned

[steven c newman]

Ok...Disston No.7 handle needs repaired ( NOT replaced)....has a few cracks
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Then i removed the cloth friction tape, gently..
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Wonder it didn't run away....part of the handle felt a bit loose, after the tape was removed..
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Took a look at what the tape was holding..
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We have work to do....trying to decide on how to glue this mess back together. And then clean the finish up/off...and what finish to apply when done...
Hmmmm...

[steven c newman]

Ok....have bought a 2-part epoxy glue....need to sit and read the instructions. Then figure out a routine that gets the glue in places needed (and not on me)and then figure out how to clamp things in place.

Also bought a small jug of Murphy's Oil Soap. Intend to clean the wood up a bit, rather than sand it down. Wondering IF I should clean the wood first with the soap, then glue things up, or wait until the clamps come back off.

May need to pick up a few "Tongue Depressors" from the Kraft Section....to apply the glue with....or, just use a bunch of plain wood toothpicks.

BLO or just a varnish when done? BLO takes a LONG time to dry..

[steven c newman]

Took the handle apart...had a small nail to pull. Sanded mating surfaces. Apply the epoxy, once I got it to come out of the nozzle. messy...
Sanded the handle, after the epoxy was dried....DNA to wipe things clean.

"Washed" the handle with Murphy's Oil Soap ( Smelly stuff..) then wipe down and dry it off...

Set up a pin in the vise, to hold the handle, while a coat of varnish was brushed on. letting the varnish dry a while.

Dremel with a buffing wheel, and a stick of green compound....polished the brass hardware.

Cold Blue Paste, tried to raise a bit more of the etch...."7" started to show. Parts of "WARRANTED" also started to show....

waiting on the varnish. saw is from before the 1st Disston son started with dad.

[steven c newman]

Pictures?
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Means I have 2 very old saws...
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Not too bad?

[steven c newman]

Near as I can tell...the Disston was before his first son joined the company....so maybe about the 1850s, or so. The 6 pointer seems to be a tad "newer", as the patent dates on the spanner nuts are 1867....Never found an etch on the rip saw. have sharpened the teeth on the rip saw, seems to work. has an"English" feel to the handle.

Whether to use these two, or merely to display them.....

[steven c newman]

Patent dates? ever see 4 of them at once?
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Well....now you have..

Working on a rehab..
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Rest of the parts were in a bunch of baggies, inside a box.. dumped out one such baggie
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Couple more had other, larger parts..
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Kind of a jigsaw puzzle? One rod in each set of guides has a "ruler" etched on them...goes from 0" up to 7"
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Hope I have the locking arm put back together correctly...
This might take a while...still missing a few parts....might get those in a week or three.

Stanley No. 358.
Will post as things come together...been a few years since I rehabbed one of these..

[steven c newman]

King bolt was rusted tight...gave a bath in PB for a few hours....BIG screwdriver, with a pair of visegrips as a cheater bar.....FINALLY able to remove the swing arm.410669
Had enough trouble getting the bolt for the guide's block to release....and get the block removed....
Dried the frame off....let it sit a while in the sun...then a coat of Rustoleum Gloss Black..
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While the swing arm headed down to the shop...had parts to remove and clean up.
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Even cleaned up the weld bead...
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Have since got the rest of the parts out, and cleaned those up....between the rust, and the greasey gunk...was a bit messy.
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Need to trim this down to size...add a bevel along the back edge, so it sits against the back wall.
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have also polished the brass a bit, and installed it on the end of the frame, with the 2 bolts they used.
Stay tuned..

[steven c newman]

Swing arm needs taped off, where I don't want any paint to go. Then I'll add a coat of the rustoleum black.

Have also trimmed the new deck...
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1/2" thick Pine....may use it as a pattern, and do another one in Poplar...

[steven c newman]

swing arm has been masked off, painted black, un-masked, missed a few spots, touch up with the paint. Wire wheel to remove a bit of over spray. Red paint along the outside edges of the lever. Trying to find out what grease to use, when all the moving parts go back into the swing arm...

Now I know why these weigh so much....must be 5 pounds of just .....parts...

[steven c newman]

Photos?....yes, there was photos..
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have 2 baggies, filled with parts..
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There is also a rod, that was part of the "Rod & Tree" length set up..stored in it's location...
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Each end is secure via a bolt...
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This end also has the name plate, also attached with bolts..
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Better picture of the new deck. Will cut the stock holder dados, once i get the holders made....need to know the size of the flat steel bar, first. Width and thickness.

I do have a proper saw for this box. Etch says Disston made expressly for Stanley Mitre Box. 5" under the spine, by 28" blade length. is the earlier H.Disston & Sons, 3 bolt handle....been using it in the Langdon 75 when it's saw was being sharpened....which then made it a Langdon 74?

[steven c newman]

Maybe I should start a new thread...about the re-assembly? :confused: IF anyone wants?:confused: Will be a LOT of cussing going on....:rolleyes:

[steven c newman]

New thread has been started....waiting on a box of parts to arrive in the Snail Mail....over on timetestedtools, there is a 2-part tutorial about how to take these down, and put them back together....with LOTS of pictures! Comes in very handy.