Wood screw advice needed

[Bob Noles]

In wanting to stock a small fastner inventory in my shop, I need a little advice or survey if you will.

I would like to know the most common wood screw sizes and lengths you keep on hand in your shop that would cover most applications. I am assuming Mcfeely's is the best place to order them and the square drive type is the most desireable.

Any help you can offer is much appreciated.

[Tony Falotico]

I buy bulk from McFeely's and like 'em. I stock #8's from 3/4" thru 2" in 1/4" increments, and #6s from 1/2" to 1-3/4". I usually order two boxes of 100 each size, 4 on the #8's from 1" thru 2". I also try to keep some 2-1/2 and 3" #8's, but not as many.

I find I use the #8's from 1-1/4" to 2" the most.

You'll probably get a lot of differing opinions on this one, it really depends on what your doing. Some projects can use a lot of screws!

[Bob Johnson2]

I prefer the square drives but can't get them too often locally, seems they're always missing whatever size it is I'm looking for. I use mostly 1"-2.5" drywall screws, buy em by the 5 lb box. I have up through 4" but don't use much of the larger sizes. I get them locally as I tend to wait till I'm out of one and don't want to wait for an order. I do like McFeely's though and have used them for some of the odd stuff, brass, SS, and such.
I also use up through about 2" in flat heads, some 6's, but mostly 8's and 10's. an odd assortment of #12's in the larger lenghts but since drywall screws came out I don't use them much.
What I do keep a pile of is the screwdriver bits, all sorts and sizes.

[Bob Noles]

Thanks Tony and Bob, that will give me some ideas to get started.

[Kirk (KC) Constable]

I consistently have problems with the #8 1-1/4 screws from McFeely. 1" are okay, as are the 1-1/2", and all other sizes I've used...but the 1-1/4 consistently 'spin' on me, and it's happened over about three shipments in the past several years. I pretty much just plan to not need a 1-1/4 screw...and when I do, I use DeckMate screws (HomeDepot/Lowes) that come with the Phillips/square drive combo head.

KC

[Matt Meiser]

A good way to start is the starter assortment McFeely's sells. I bought one of the "Do It Yourself Dozens" which comes with 100 each of a variety of sizes. Then I watched what I was using and ordered more and also what I wished I had but didn't and ordered those. Off the top of my head, I believe I added some 1" countersunk screws and some 1-1/4" pan head screws so that I wasn't using my Kreg screws when I needed that size.

I also have a variety of sizes of drywall & deck screws for utility purposes, mostly leftovers from various projects. I use the 2-1/2" the most.

[Bob Noles]

After reading your replies a little deeper, I am getting the impression that drywall screws are fairly acceptable for woodworking projects in most cases. Is this true and I may not really need the McFeely screws afterall. I use drywall screws for everything around the house and have an abundance of them in my shop, but I was kind of under the impression that you needed something different for woodworking.

Hey.... I've been wrong before :eek: :D

[Dennis Peacock]

I buy my screws from McFeeley's all the time. No problems here.

[Andy Fox]

Bob,

My understanding is that the only disadvantages to using drywall screws are:

Appearance
Low shear load rating: They hold things together, but don't use them in load-bearing applications. They're just designed to hold drywall.Andy

[James Ayars]

I keep flatheads in 6 and 8's from in 1, 1.25, 1.5, 2 and 2.5". I also keep 10 and 12's in 2, 2.5, and 3". Plus 2 and 3 inch deckscrews, 2, 2.5 and 3" drywall screws.

I buy in boxes of 100 at out local True Value. The price is good and they're locally owned.

I also keep 1/4x3" and 3/8x2" lag screws on hand.

My <6 screws, pan heads, etc mostly come from things I take apart before throwing away. When I throw something out, every nut, bolt, washer and screw I can can find has been removed.

I always buy two boxes of everything as I prefer to go to the store when i want to not when I need to.

My wife says I'm turning the garage into a hardware store.
James

[Jesse Cloud]

I went to a talk Lon Scheinling gave at one of the wood shows. He made the good point that if you are doing woodworking for the pleasure in it, then you should buy tools and supplies that will please you everytime you use them. McFeeley's square drive screws are that way with me. I have never stripped one. I use them a lot on one time jigs or assemblies that I will take apart after the project, and then reuse the screws over and over.
I will confess that when money is tight and I'm only going to use the screw once and it won't show, I'll go with the Borg drywall screws, and they hold up just fine.
I bought the McFeeley's starter kit, too, then replenished as I used things up. I use mostly 6's and 8's from 5/8 to 1 1/2. A few longer #10s for big items.
I don't know how useful our experience with sizes will be for you, it all depends on the thickness of what you are connecting. My rule of thumb is the screw needs to wind up flush with the first piece and go halfway through the second piece.

[Barry O'Mahony]

Bob,

My understanding is that the only disadvantages to using drywall screws are:

Appearance
Low shear load rating: They hold things together, but don't use them in load-bearing applications. They're just designed to hold drywall.AndyYes, they are very brittle and have no structural rating.

I've been thinking, and while screws obviously have many uses in home improvement projects, I seldom use them in woodworking. When would they be used? About the only time is to hold hardware in place. I that case I usually use brass slot-head screws for their ornamental appearance. I first use a steel screw to cut the threads in the wood, since the brass is so soft it often shears off when cutting threads.

[Matt Meiser]

I've broken off a lot of drywall screws, but have only ever broken 1 McFeely's screw. Just the other night, as a matter of fact.

[Bob Noles]

A lot of good points made here and good food for thought. I really appreciate everyone's input. This helps me proceed more than y'all know. Going to take a good hard look at stocking up on a few McFeel's screws and the combo starter set looks like a good way to do it as I already have a shop full of drywall screws on hand.

Thanks again.......:)

[Jim Dannels]

After reading your replies a little deeper, I am getting the impression that drywall screws are fairly acceptable for woodworking projects in most cases. Is this true and I may not really need the McFeely screws afterall. I use drywall screws for everything around the house and have an abundance of them in my shop, but I was kind of under the impression that you needed something different for woodworking.

Hey.... I've been wrong before :eek: :D

I use deck screws where I would drywall. The more agressive threads don`t strip out the wood as easily.

[Jim Becker]

I mostly use #8 1 1/4" and 1 1/2" square recess screws from McFeeleys and bulk buy them. I keep smaller quantities of longer fasteners as well as a few smaller ones. (#7 trim head 1" screws, for example, as I like them for certain situations)

Drywall screws "can" be used for woodworking, but they were NOT designed to handle joinery. They are thin, brittle and break easily. I stopped using them years ago when I moved to the screws I use now.

[Bob Johnson2]

Bob,

My understanding is that the only disadvantages to using drywall screws are:

Appearance
Low shear load rating: They hold things together, but don't use them in load-bearing applications. They're just designed to hold drywall.Andy

Add to this that they look cheesy too. I use them on jigs and such which is where most of my screws go. Don't use a whole lot of screws on furniture and such, you know, real projects. Although the Kreg jig I just tried may change that on occasion. I was thinking of trying some of the pocket screws from McFeely that are for both soft and hardwoods.

[Peter Mc Mahon]

Drywall screws are hardened. Basically all other screws are not. Drywall screws I find to be alright in anything softwood including plywood, but in hardwoods and mdf, they will snap off the heads. Peter

[fred woltersdorf]

bob,check out this site.i haven't used them yet,just found them on another forum but they have some interesting starter sets.http://www.screw-products.com/

[Don Dean]

Thanks for the thread Bob. I am just starting out in woodworking and also wondered about screws I should have on hand. As always creekers come through with great and thoughtful responses. On the way is Freely's #8 and #10 combo sets with bins and #6 combo is on back order. I ordered different color bins to keep them in order. Thanks Bob and creekers.

[Andy Hoyt]

As you may know, Bob happens to be just entering his self inflicted mid-life crisis --- he bought a lathe.

And as such, he'll eventually want to use a faceplate. And I'm sure he'll be interested in knowing what screw you guys would recommend for that.

I'm asking for him and myself, because I do know that I've been taking a big chance on this by using drywall screws and have just never gotten around to being smarter about it.

[Bob Noles]

Uh.... Andy, what's a face plate?

I'm still trying to figure out how to plug this rascal in :D :D

It has finally arrived :eek:

[Bernie Weishapl]

Hey Andy and Bob. I just went to David Mark's site and he recommended using sheet metal screws in a face plate because of the deeper threads. Yea I been reading everything I can get my hands on. I will know tonight if I have fallen of the edge or not Andy. I am still looking down at the black hole.

[scott bonder]

I really like spax.

[Bob Noles]

Hey Andy and Bob. I just went to David Mark's site and he recommended using sheet metal screws in a face plate because of the deeper threads. Yea I been reading everything I can get my hands on. I will know tonight if I have fallen of the edge or not Andy. I am still looking down at the black hole.

Bernie.....

Just close your eyes and jump :eek:

[Bernie Weishapl]

Bob I will know tonight if I am getting the Delta and if not will see how you like yours. I will probably order one like yours if I don't get the other.

[Dan Mages]

Thanks for the info on McFeely's now I know what to get for my father as a (gag) gift for Hannukah!

Dan