Leviton breaker panel

[Roger Feeley]

I ran across an ad for this thing just a week ago.

https://www.leviton.com/standalone/LoadCenter/

It's really pretty. All white and hip and stuff. What bugs me is that is the wi-fi connectivity. I'm a fan of The Energy Detective having owned two now. But TED is just for monitoring. It's entirely passive and can't be used to control anything. This Leviton thing lets you get in over a phone app and trip breakers.

Am I paranoid or does this sound like a recipe for real trouble? The inevitability of hacking is like water outside your house. It's going to get in sooner or later. The question is what sort of havoc a hacker can cause when they do get in. Could this be a perfect murder? Turn off the circuit for the oxygen generator, wait for the victim to die and then turn it back on?

To be fair, with sufficient security, I can see real benefits for a company managing properties. Being able to monitor and take action on every circuit in the house might have some real benefits.

Thoughts?




(https://www.leviton.com/standalone/LoadCenter/)

[Matt Day]

Am I paranoid or does this sound like a recipe for real trouble?
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You’re being paranoid.

[Lee Schierer]

Am I paranoid or does this sound like a recipe for real trouble?

I agree it is asking for trouble.

[Frank Pratt]

You’re being paranoid.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)

[Rod Sheridan]

I ran across an ad for this thing just a week ago.

https://www.leviton.com/standalone/LoadCenter/


. Could this be a perfect murder? Turn off the circuit for the oxygen generator, wait for the victim to die and then turn it back on?






(https://www.leviton.com/standalone/LoadCenter/)

Roger, the breakers cannot be remotely closed.

I personally have no use for this technology.............Regards, Rod.

[Roger Feeley]

Thanks Rod. I sure missed that they can't be closed. So much for the perfect murder.

To be fair, Leviton has a couple of pretty good ideas. You attach wires to lugs on the panels, not the breakers. That should make breaker replacement a snap.

[Rod Sheridan]

That's true, however it's one more flimsy joint to go wrong.

When I replaced my home panel I specified bolt in breakers.........Rod.

[roger wiegand]

Until the large guys with guns show up and force you to install one I think you're being paranoid. The mere existence of a product that you don't have to buy comprises very little threat.

[Frank Pratt]

Thanks Rod. I sure missed that they can't be closed. So much for the perfect murder.

To be fair, Leviton has a couple of pretty good ideas. You attach wires to lugs on the panels, not the breakers. That should make breaker replacement a snap.

Changing breakers is a snap anyway. It's a good looking panel. I'd have to have experience with a bunch of them before passing judgement on the system, but my initial thoughts are that more complexity for no real benefit is not always a good thing. I'm speaking of the panel system, not the smart breakers.

[Rob Damon]

Sorry Rod You misread the literature
I am electrical and spec panels

What is says is you CAN remotely trip a breaker but you can't reset it remotely

You would need a motor operated breaker to do a remote reset

If you are on vacation and accidently shut off the wrong breaker you could be screwed

Even the high end SCADA systems are hackable no reason to believe these on a home network could not
It also allows a remote program update. A hacker spoofs leviton email and tells you an update is available for your panel and you say sure and uploads a virus/backdoor .... opps

[Ole Anderson]

What's next? WiFi for my commode? Please don't tell me it is already available...

[Rob Damon]

Go to YT do search for wifi bluetooth toilet

Yes they exist

[Jim Becker]

Clearly, not a unit you want to work on with dirty hands... :) :D

Seriously, it's an interesting concept and I'm not surprised at all. I suspect we'll see more and more of this extension of "connection" to all of the edges of a property.

[Brian Elfert]

To be fair, Leviton has a couple of pretty good ideas. You attach wires to lugs on the panels, not the breakers. That should make breaker replacement a snap.

How often do you replace a breaker? I have been a homeowner for 18 years now and I have never had to replace a failed breaker. My current house I had to upgrade the breakers to arc fault due to rewiring the house, but that is not something most have to do.

[Mike Cutler]

It's a nice concept, but I don't see much practical application for the home environment. It can't be cheap either.
It's pretty cool watching where technology is moving. Something not very useful today,could morph into something beneficial in 5-10 years.

[Brian Elfert]

It looks like both the panel itself and the breakers are about double the price of what a Siemens or similar panel and breakers cost.

[Rollie Meyers]

I am wary of it as it could be like the SQ D Trillant panel, which never took off & was discontinued, now breakers are hard to find and very expensive. At least with a lot of other panels there are UL classified breakers made to fit them, only OEM circuit breakers are listed, classified breakers are aftermarket products that UL classifies to be used in competitive panels.