baileigh table saw

[jeff oldham]

has anyone had any experience with a baileigh table saw,,there entry hybrid table saw starts at about 1500.00,,can anyone give me some info on this saw,,,

[Dave Sweeney]

I can't comment on their hybrid saw but I do own one of their 3HP cabinet saws. I've had it for almost a year now and have been very pleased with it. All of the components are IMO very high quality. Assembly was very straight forward with no issues to speak of. Before I purchased my saw I had the opportunity to visit their showroom in WI. I was impressed with the stoutness of their products, i.e. table saws, jointers, bandsaws and their metal working tools.

[Richard Coers]

Isn't it exactly the same as Grizzly? Both are machine importers, just different color paint.

[Art Mann]

I don't think it is correct to assume that Baleigh and Grizzly tools are identical or even similar just because they are made in Taiwan or China.

[Bill Carey]

can't comment on the TS, but I have the bench top mortiser and have been very pleased with it. Solid, well made. Does exactly what it's supposed to do. Only flaw is the plastic depth stops.

[Martin Wasner]

I don't think it is correct to assume that Baleigh and Grizzly tools are identical or even similar just because they are made in Taiwan or China.

I think it's assumed because the stickers and the paint are amongst the largest differences.

[Richard Coers]

I don't think it is correct to assume that Baleigh and Grizzly tools are identical or even similar just because they are made in Taiwan or China.
Maybe not identical, but Geetech manufacturers for both of them.
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[Dave Sweeney]

Maybe not identical, but Geetech manufacturers for both of them.
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I also see SawStop, Jet, and Powermatic listed there, not sure what point you're trying to make.

[Martin Wasner]

I also see SawStop, Jet, and Powermatic listed there, not sure what point you're trying to make.

That being made in Asia isn't the only coincidence?

[David Kumm]

Machines from the same factory can be almost the same or quite different. The hard part is getting an answer without tearing them apart and comparing. Different grades of castings can be spec'd, better grinds, tighter tolerances, different bearings, motors, sheaves, and electricals. It would be good to be a fly on the wall to see what really happens on the line. Dave

[Richard Coers]

I also see SawStop, Jet, and Powermatic listed there, not sure what point you're trying to make.

My sub discussion was about the similarity between Grizzly and Baileigh. It was questioned how I can say that just because they just come from Taiwan or China. My point with this post is that the machinery is not just made in Taiwan or China, they are made by the same company.

[Art Mann]

Tools are manufactured according to specifications from the company. Baleigh and Grizzly are not the same company. I don't know about Baleigh but Grizzly claims to design at least some of their own tools. If that is true, the company they are made by or factory they are made in is irrelevant for purposes of this side discussion. As someone pointed out, some Powermatic tools are made in the same factory as some Grizzly tools. It is not reasonable to assume Grizzly and Powermatic tools are identical.

[Martin Wasner]

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It is not reasonable to assume Grizzly and Powermatic tools are identical.[/QUOTE]

When they sell the same exact thing I'd say maybe not identical, but close enough.

After foolishly buying a four post planer "made" by powermatic, I don't know why you wouldn't just go ahead and get the grizzly

[Art Mann]

Are you sure Powermatic and Grizzly are made to the same design and same quality standards? Pretty much all 4 post planers for the last 50 years look about the same.

[Martin Wasner]

Are you sure Powermatic and Grizzly are made to the same design and same quality standards? Pretty much all 4 post planers for the last 50 years look about the same.


Close enough? I've used both for extended periods, no appreciable difference that I noticed. The powermatic had a little better switches and handles/wheels, other than that they behaved the same and had the same issues. It's possible the powermatic received better bearings, but that really doesn't pay for the manufacturer to do that. Low paid employees are best given the fewest opportunities for failure as possible. The less changes in the manufacturers hands the more money they make too. That doesn't mean they aren't completely different, but it'd be a tough argument to make with me. It's a whole lot easier to build things to one specification.

For the machines that look identical, they probably are important on everything that matters. One off's are likely their own design, but most of it can be found in other importer's product catalogs with different paint and stickers.

I could be completely off base too, so I wouldn't say I'm sure.

[Shiraz Balolia]

Close enough? I've used both for extended periods, no appreciable difference that I noticed. The powermatic had a little better switches and handles/wheels, other than that they behaved the same and had the same issues. It's possible the powermatic received better bearings, but that really doesn't pay for the manufacturer to do that. Low paid employees are best given the fewest opportunities for failure as possible. The less changes in the manufacturers hands the more money they make too. That doesn't mean they aren't completely different, but it'd be a tough argument to make with me. It's a whole lot easier to build things to one specification.

For the machines that look identical, they probably are important on everything that matters. One off's are likely their own design, but most of it can be found in other importer's product catalogs with different paint and stickers.

I could be completely off base too, so I wouldn't say I'm sure.

Obviously I know a lot more about this issue than probably anyone on this site, having been importing WW machines from Taiwan well before Jet, Powermatic, Baleigh, Laguna or most other current importers of machines have been. It is a misconception that you are getting a better machine because you are paying more. Most of the price difference comes from the fact that most of the companies are two stepping the product (selling through dealers) rather than selling direct, like Grizzly has always done.

Yes, we all specify our colors, switches, casters, nameplates etc. However, you do not get different bearings in WW machines, than the standard good bearings that the supplier uses. You do not get a certain type of casting - that is a ridiculous notion. Most of the companies source the castings from casting suppliers that have minimum runs and long lead times. Can you even imagine the "cluster" it would be if a company had special castings specified for 30 or so machines at a time, and how the factory would even keep track of something like that?

The main difference comes in the quality control. We have an office in Taiwan with our own QC engineers that go everyday to the factories and perform a variety of QC checks, usually several pages on the checklist, per model, to make sure that things that cropped up in the past are no longer repeated. We check the parts as they come in and during assembly and then after final assembly to make sure. We even check shipments when they arrive here to make sure there are no issues before we ship them to customers. Even then, once in a while, stuff might get by because of the sheer volume (we ship tens of thousands of pounds of machines every single day, and have sold more WW machines in USA than any other company in the last 30 years. The bottom line is that when buying a Grizzly machine, you get a really good value for the money, and all the experience behind us. We would not have grown if we sold junk - the society today, with all the social media access, is intolerant of bad quality and bad value. You will always have the naysayers and the elitists who are either stuck in the past, or look down upon anything not made in Europe.

[Rick Potter]

Thank you Shiraz, for the first hand information. I appreciate knowing about some of the day to day workings in the industry.

PS: Really like my year old 623 slider. Easy to adjust.

[glenn bradley]

Tools are manufactured according to specifications from the company. Baleigh and Grizzly are not the same company. I don't know about Baleigh but Grizzly claims to design at least some of their own tools. If that is true, the company they are made by or factory they are made in is irrelevant for purposes of this side discussion. As someone pointed out, some Powermatic tools are made in the same factory as some Grizzly tools. It is not reasonable to assume Grizzly and Powermatic tools are identical.

Bingo. General Motors has been making Chevy trucks for some time, eh? :D This is not a new concept for Americans. Sometimes we need to step back and take a larger view.

[Darcy Warner]

Sigh, consumer products built to a price point and life span.

[Dave Sweeney]

Anybody remember what the OPs question was?

[Darcy Warner]

Anybody remember what the OPs question was?

He asked if one Asian company's saw was any different than the same saw from another Asian company.

[Martin Wasner]

It amazes me how threads can so easily get hijacked here sometimes.

Is there a new thread on this, or am I the only one that chuckled at the irony?

[Frank Pratt]

Is there a new thread on this, or am I the only one that chuckled at the irony?

No and No.

[Ron Selzer]

Obviously I know a lot more about this issue than probably anyone on this site, having been importing WW machines from Taiwan well before Jet, Powermatic, Baleigh, Laguna or most other current importers of machines have been. It is a misconception that you are getting a better machine because you are paying more. Most of the price difference comes from the fact that most of the companies are two stepping the product (selling through dealers) rather than selling direct, like Grizzly has always done.

Yes, we all specify our colors, switches, casters, nameplates etc. However, you do not get different bearings in WW machines, than the standard good bearings that the supplier uses. You do not get a certain type of casting - that is a ridiculous notion. Most of the companies source the castings from casting suppliers that have minimum runs and long lead times. Can you even imagine the "cluster" it would be if a company had special castings specified for 30 or so machines at a time, and how the factory would even keep track of something like that?

The main difference comes in the quality control. We have an office in Taiwan with our own QC engineers that go everyday to the factories and perform a variety of QC checks, usually several pages on the checklist, per model, to make sure that things that cropped up in the past are no longer repeated. We check the parts as they come in and during assembly and then after final assembly to make sure. We even check shipments when they arrive here to make sure there are no issues before we ship them to customers. Even then, once in a while, stuff might get by because of the sheer volume (we ship tens of thousands of pounds of machines every single day, and have sold more WW machines in USA than any other company in the last 30 years. The bottom line is that when buying a Grizzly machine, you get a really good value for the money, and all the experience behind us. We would not have grown if we sold junk - the society today, with all the social media access, is intolerant of bad quality and bad value. You will always have the naysayers and the elitists who are either stuck in the past, or look down upon anything not made in Europe.

Thank you for this info
I have been very happy with my past Grizzly purchases
Ron

[David Utterback]

The machines might be manufactured in more than one plant with different quality suppliers depending on brand. Does anyone know if that is true? I am guessing that Chevy trucks are made in a number of locations perhaps in multiple countries now.


Bingo. General Motors has been making Chevy trucks for some time, eh? :D This is not a new concept for Americans. Sometimes we need to step back and take a larger view.

[Chris Hachet]

Sigh, consumer products built to a price point and life span.

Agreed. I really prefer older Iron.