Work Sharp3000 Sandpaper ???

[Derek Arita]

OK..so I've finally tweaked in the Wide Blade Attachment on the WS. Although the Guide is a bit finicky, it all works to give a reasonably 90* primary bevel. Problem is, I'm going thru sandpaper like crazy! I've read that one can use adhesive backed 6" discs by just making a hole in the center.
So what kind of paper should I be looking for and how do I best make the hole? Best place to buy the paper? Thanks for the help.

[Van Huskey]

I use diamond lapidary discs

[Chris Parks]

Search for 150mm diamond discs on ebay.

[Bill Carey]

I use diamond lapidary discs

Cool idea. Do they come PSA? Or do you use an adhesive to adhere them to the glass? If you use them without the glass platen, please share the ways and means?

TIA

[Chris Parks]

I put a normal sand paper disc on the glass platter and the diamond is held to that with the central screw knob.

[Derek Arita]

So that changes the level, if you have the Wide Blade Attachment? How long do they last? Are they flat?

[Van Huskey]

Cool idea. Do they come PSA? Or do you use an adhesive to adhere them to the glass? If you use them without the glass platen, please share the ways and means?

TIA

What Chris said. When you have one in your hands it all makes sense. They are a thin steel disc with the diamond bonded on to it so they aren't really flexible. The machine they are designed for just has a platen and a screw-down knob in the center to hold it, the glass platen and screw-down knob on the WS3000 is a perfect analog. Most people buy them directly from China via eBay or Aliexpress, there are US and European made ones but the price is multiple times what the Chinese ones costs and they are fine since we aren't polishing gemstone facets.

This is one variety of flat lap machine so you can see the similarity

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[Van Huskey]

So that changes the level, if you have the Wide Blade Attachment? How long do they last? Are they flat?

They are about 1mm thick. They last a long time (how much more arbitrary can I be?) and long enough to save their cost over sandpaper multiple times. Yes, they are flat but they also register against the glass platen. Keep in mind the use they are intended for is cutting and polishing facets on gem stones.

FYI this is a VERY common abrasive setup to use on the WS3000.

[Derek Arita]

Flatness of the combination of glass, plus disc is what I'm most concerned about. Seems once you commit to the diamond discs, the paper goes away. It would be far too much trouble to switch back and forth, what with having to readjust the table every time. I'm curious though...the discs don't load up? Or are they cleared with the eraser? I use diamond stones for hand sharpening, but I use water to keep them clear for abrasion.

[Bill Carey]

Great - thanks for tip guys. Just ordered several and it will all become clear when I hold 'em.

[Chris Parks]

Flatness of the combination of glass, plus disc is what I'm most concerned about. Seems once you commit to the diamond discs, the paper goes away. It would be far too much trouble to switch back and forth, what with having to readjust the table every time. I'm curious though...the discs don't load up? Or are they cleared with the eraser? I use diamond stones for hand sharpening, but I use water to keep them clear for abrasion.\

Don't get paranoid about getting the exact angle, it is not necessary at all. I wouldn't have a clue what angle I use on the mini bevel when I sharpen a chisel and they cut wood OK. If you took it to the enth degree the worksharp even with the original glass platen and adhesive paper is nowhere near flat just close enough. God help me I have started another sharpening debate! :eek: No method that a woodworker generally uses results in a truly flat surface.

[Van Huskey]

Flatness of the combination of glass, plus disc is what I'm most concerned about. Seems once you commit to the diamond discs, the paper goes away. It would be far too much trouble to switch back and forth, what with having to readjust the table every time. I'm curious though...the discs don't load up? Or are they cleared with the eraser? I use diamond stones for hand sharpening, but I use water to keep them clear for abrasion.

I don't use paper anymore but I have multiple glass plates from the sandpaper days so it wouldn't be an issue. Again they are designed to lay flat against a flat platen and are designed for cutting and polishing stone facets so while it is certainly possible to get a less than flat one from China I have yet to experience it and haven't noticed anyone complaining of this. The good thing is they are cheap, ~$10 gets one shipped from China. I suggest getting one and trying it out, I think you will be happy, if not you are only out a few bucks.

I also don't use the wide blade attachment as I use a Tormek for wide blades. They will load but not quickly at least with my use, I clean them with Windex and a nylon brush but an eraser would likely work as well.

[Derek Arita]

Flatness of the combination of glass, plus disc is what I'm most concerned about. Seems once you commit to the diamond discs, the paper goes away. It would be far too much trouble to switch back and forth, what with having to readjust the table every time. I'm curious though...the discs don't load up? Or are they cleared with the eraser? I use diamond stones for hand sharpening, but I use water to keep them clear for abrasion.

Still concerns, if anyone can answer.

[Chris Parks]

Still concerns, if anyone can answer.

All I can say is it will be flat enough for woodworking.

[Derek Arita]

I don't use paper anymore but I have multiple glass plates from the sandpaper days so it wouldn't be an issue. Again they are designed to lay flat against a flat platen and are designed for cutting and polishing stone facets so while it is certainly possible to get a less than flat one from China I have yet to experience it and haven't noticed anyone complaining of this. The good thing is they are cheap, ~$10 gets one shipped from China. I suggest getting one and trying it out, I think you will be happy, if not you are only out a few bucks.

I also don't use the wide blade attachment as I use a Tormek for wide blades. They will load but not quickly at least with my use, I clean them with Windex and a nylon brush but an eraser would likely work as well.

Thanks. That info helps. So the discs are used by themselves, with no glass or is the glass used under the discs? I also use a Tormek, but for all the set up time it takes, I'm hoping the WS will take it's place for primary bevels. I'll continue as far as possible on the WS, but will likely finish up with the stones and strops.

[Van Huskey]

So the discs are used by themselves, with no glass or is the glass used under the discs?

No, they need the glass under them. Look at the lapidary machine I posted, it has almost the same setup as a WS3000 when the glass plate is on. Now there are thick lapidary plates BUT they are much more expensive, these are used on different machines without a built-in plate I have no idea if they will work on a WS3000.

I understand it is a leap of faith but only a $10 one. Also, keep in mind this is a sharpening discussion on the powertool sub-forum so you are less likely to get replies from people for whom sharpening is a religion or at least a hobby within a hobby. Most of them won't have much use for a WS3000 to begin with.

[Derek Arita]

No, they need the glass under them. Look at the lapidary machine I posted, it has almost the same setup as a WS3000 when the glass plate is on. Now there are thick lapidary plates BUT they are much more expensive, these are used on different machines without a built-in plate I have no idea if they will work on a WS3000.

I understand it is a leap of faith but only a $10 one. Also, keep in mind this is a sharpening discussion on the powertool sub-forum so you are less likely to get replies from people for whom sharpening is a religion or at least a hobby within a hobby. Most of them won't have much use for a WS3000 to begin with.

Van, you're so right. Sharpening is a religion for some. I'm kind of in between. I enjoy the stones, but forming a new bevel by hand is no fun. Getting there quickly is why I got this WS. I will I indeed get some diamond plates and give them a try. Thank you for the start.

[Bill Carey]

Watched a vid (mcauley designs) and he cut a magnetic sheet with PSA and stuck that to the glass to hold the metal plate. Seems like an idea worth trying .

[Van Huskey]

Watched a vid (mcauley designs) and he cut a magnetic sheet with PSA and stuck that to the glass to hold the metal plate. Seems like an idea worth trying .

The DMT discs were the first diamond discs I saw used on a WS3000 and it uses a magnetic disc to switch them out quickly.

https://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/DMT-Magna-Disc-Sharpening-Kit-P399.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyfXlybeT3wIVyMDACh2Tyg I6EAYYASABEgIT7PD_BwE

I got one of these when they first came out, they are fine but just more expensive than the flat lap discs. I have the glass disc with the magnetic sheet still around somewhere, I may try it but using the knob is still pretty quick.

Thanks for the idea!

[Derek Arita]

Van, now that I take a close look at the pic you sent on the lapping machine, I remember seeing one used on TV, on Gem Hunters. The disc was actually submerged water by just a fraction so the the water just kind of flowed over the surface of the disc.
I just ordered some discs to try out. As I stated before, I'm concerned as to whether or not I will be able to use the Wide Blade Attachment table and guide, which I really like and also how quickly the discs load up and how easily they are cleared. That said, if they work out well, they will be a real savings in $, time and trouble over paper discs.