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Mike Cutler
11-11-2018, 12:04 PM
You ever buy something that you think should work, that for some reason just doesn't? I mean, "on paper" it looks good, not a manufacturing error, or just plain junky but it should work.
I bought one of those two wheeled, wheelbarrows, and man, it just doesn't work. It should, but it doesn't. It took me awhile to figure out why, but I have, and it's just that it is never balanced like a single wheel wheelbarrow. I constantly have to readjust the leverage/balance point.
it should work, but it just doesn't, which is too bad.

Ken Fitzgerald
11-11-2018, 1:07 PM
Mike, I am sorry to hear that about those two wheeled wheelbarrows! The disease that cost me my hearing affects the inner ear so I also have balance issues. This past spring removing from sod to convert an area to a garden area, I considered replacing our regular one wheeled wheelbarrow with a two-wheeled one. Thanks for the heads up!

Andrew Joiner
11-11-2018, 1:11 PM
I buy most products that may fall into that category from Walmart or a store that has a Satisfaction Guarantee return policy.

Almost too good to be true. Just try it for the way you envision the product to work. If it doesn't do what you want, you get your money back.

Doug Garson
11-11-2018, 1:49 PM
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Barry McFadden
11-11-2018, 1:56 PM
In Canada, where they have banned any weed killer or tree sprays that were any good, you can't get one of these "green" or "friendly" products that work at all. Spraying dandylions now turns them black for a day or two and then they spring right back as healthy as ever. I have some apple trees that I used to spray with a product called Wilson Fruit Tree Spray and got great crops of apples. Now the spray we have to use does nothing to stop scab and insects. I'm lucky if I get one apple worth eating. I'm thinking of going to visit my brother just over the border and bring back a load of the good stuff from the USA!!

Wade Lippman
11-11-2018, 2:09 PM
By 2 wheel wheelbarrow, do you mean a lawn cart? If so, I find them far superior to single wheel ones. Perhaps it depends on what you are using them for.

John K Jordan
11-11-2018, 2:17 PM
I bought one of those two wheeled, wheelbarrows, and man, it just doesn't work. It should, but it doesn't. It took me awhile to figure out why, but I have, and it's just that it is never balanced like a single wheel wheelbarrow. I constantly have to readjust the leverage/balance point.

Yikes, I have four 2-wheel wheelbarrows for farm use and I'd hate to be without them, especially when mixing concrete (can be tippy on a single wheel barrow). After using mine some people have said they were going to get one. I first tried one in the 80's at my brother-in-laws house and I've had my own since just shortly after. Besides the concrete, we use them in the garden, carrying rocks, when cleaning up manure in the barnyard, for carrying a bale or two of hay across the field, when cleaning out peacock and chicken houses, and for carrying firewood from the woodshed to the house. (And occasionally to act crazy and push someone around!) In fact, I'm down to one single-wheel wheelbarrow. (Those things can be tricky!)

The only place I know where the 2-wheelers don't work well for me is with a heavy load sideways on a significant slope. Well, and for pushing up a narrow plank!

I simply can't imagine one not working for everyone!

Do you mean it is not balanced front-to-back when fully loaded evenly? (too much weight on the front or back?) If so, maybe you got a bum barrow. Could you have gotten one that is somehow poorly designed or assembled wrong? What brand? Can you post a photo or two, from the side and of the underside?

I can fill any of mine with heaping load and they are balanced when I lift the handles. (I occasionally have trouble pushing or pulling a big load up a hill but that has more to do with my age than the balance. :)

JKJ

Jim Koepke
11-11-2018, 3:13 PM
Our two wheel barrow was purchased at ACE Hardware and has worked fine for us. It is a bit different than pushing around a single wheel unit. Well of course, our single wheel unit is a rehabilitated old timer with a spoked, solid steel wheel.

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My father replaced the broken handles with some aluminum tubing. The handles at the end were turned on my lathe and trimmed to have a tight fit.

jtk

Prashun Patel
11-11-2018, 3:28 PM
Bullnose planes. So pretty, so useless.
Big Box screws. They are designed to use a bit that I can never find. When I do find it, it's a tiny little nubby bit that sticks in the screw head. When I drive it, it appears that it's designed to spin out in the hole or snap. The really broken part of it tho is that every few months, I'll try a box expecting to find different results. Perfectly bad.

Stephen Tashiro
11-11-2018, 4:01 PM
Big Box screws. They are designed to use a bit that I can never find. When I do find it, it's a tiny little nubby bit that sticks in the screw head.

Are you talking about screws that take a "square drive" bit?


Tools that don't work (for me)
1. Electric staplers and brad drivers
2. Cordless carpet cutting gizmos
3. Electric sheet metal nibblers - find for perfecly flat sheets, no good for negoiating dimples (Why don't they make the jaws open wider?)
4. Grout removing blades on oscillating mult-toods - ok for old crumbly grout,, but not useful on the hard stuff
5. The Rotozip
6. The garden trimer tool that looks like a big pair of scissors except the blades work horizontally as you squeeze the handles vertically.

Jim Becker
11-11-2018, 4:52 PM
Are you talking about screws that take a "square drive" bit?

A lot of the big box screws have transitioned to either Star or Torx. Many come with a bit in the box, but they are very positive in grip; even more than "correctly made" square drive screws.

Mike Cutler
11-11-2018, 4:57 PM
"Can you elaborate on how it doesn't work? I've had a two wheel wheelbarrow for about 30 years, just replaced the handles for the second time this summer. I find it to be much easier to balance than a single wheel style. I can move it around fully loaded with one hand. If I need to make a sharp turn I tip it up on one wheel and it turns just like a single wheel model. Mine is similar to this one, is this the style you are referring to?"

Doug
It's pretty much exactly like that. It's a 10cu/ft Groundworks model. I also have a 25+year old Jackson, 6.5cu/ft, single wheel.

John
Maybe something isn't right.
They have the same type of wheelbarrow at the barn we board our horse at, and even on concrete, covered by stall mat, aisles, they still shift the load from hand to hand as I walk.
I've been using them for about five years now. The one I have at home I've had for about three years. I originally got them for cleaning pastures and paddocks, but they just don't seem to work for me as well as a single wheel. I still use mine simply for the size of the pan.

Frederick Skelly
11-11-2018, 6:57 PM
I agree with Prashun - bull nose planes. I have the little bitty Millers Falls and no matter what I do, it just don't work. I even looked up old articles on how to use 'em - no joy.

And don't even get me started on CHISEL PLANES - aarrrrgh!

Frank Pratt
11-11-2018, 7:03 PM
Are you talking about screws that take a "square drive" bit?


Tools that don't work (for me)
1. Electric staplers and brad drivers
2. Cordless carpet cutting gizmos
3. Electric sheet metal nibblers - find for perfecly flat sheets, no good for negoiating dimples (Why don't they make the jaws open wider?)
4. Grout removing blades on oscillating mult-toods - ok for old crumbly grout,, but not useful on the hard stuff
5. The Rotozip
6. The garden trimer tool that looks like a big pair of scissors except the blades work horizontally as you squeeze the handles vertically.

1. I've never found an electric stapler that had as much driving power as the old school spring powered type. Frustrating.
5. I have a Rotozip that I bought cause I was dumb & didn't research things. It gets used very occasionally. A small trim router would have been far better & far more versatile.
6. Agreed.

Frank Pratt
11-11-2018, 7:08 PM
Bullnose planes. So pretty, so useless.
Big Box screws. They are designed to use a bit that I can never find. When I do find it, it's a tiny little nubby bit that sticks in the screw head. When I drive it, it appears that it's designed to spin out in the hole or snap. The really broken part of it tho is that every few months, I'll try a box expecting to find different results. Perfectly bad.

The screws that HD carries here (Calgary) are generally very good in quality. They are all Roberson drive. Of course, sometimes you get a batch that don't sit on the bit as well as they should, but mostly they're quite good. And the selection of oddball fasteners is very good, far better than most dedicated fastener supply outlets have in stock. You pay for the convenience, but unless large quantities are needed, it's well worth it.

Lee Valley also carries a good selection of excellent screws.

Jim Becker
11-12-2018, 9:15 AM
Frank, I bet the ones that sneak in that don't mate the bit well were not cut to actual Robertson specifications relative to the taper of the square pocket. :)

John K Jordan
11-12-2018, 9:25 AM
I've had an occasional random Torx deck screw the bits wouldn't fit. In those cases it seemed to be from a manufacturing error when the coating was too thick or a tiny glob obstructed the socket. Never a problem with a whole batch though.

Frank Pratt
11-12-2018, 3:00 PM
Frank, I bet the ones that sneak in that don't mate the bit well were not cut to actual Robertson specifications relative to the taper of the square pocket. :)

That could be. I know there's a square drive that isn't Robertson & the bits for one don't properly fit the other.

Bruce Wrenn
11-12-2018, 9:59 PM
Anything advertised on TV, with an extra free one included for just the extra shipping and handling charges, most likely doesn't work.

Bill Bukovec
11-12-2018, 10:07 PM
Barry, We gave up spraying our apple trees. Even with the best spray I could find, we had lots of bug damage. We put sandwich bags on the apples instead. If you do an internet search, you can find the details.

Most people's reaction is, "That sounds like too much work." I tell them, don't be so lazy. It's worth it to have a bumper crop of perfect apples.

Aaron Rosenthal
11-12-2018, 10:42 PM
Most often when I've been unhappy with square drive scenes, it's been my bit that needed replacing

Ronald Blue
11-12-2018, 11:17 PM
Are you talking about screws that take a "square drive" bit?


Tools that don't work (for me)
1. Electric staplers and brad drivers
2. Cordless carpet cutting gizmos
3. Electric sheet metal nibblers - find for perfecly flat sheets, no good for negoiating dimples (Why don't they make the jaws open wider?)
4. Grout removing blades on oscillating mult-toods - ok for old crumbly grout,, but not useful on the hard stuff
5. The Rotozip
6. The garden trimer tool that looks like a big pair of scissors except the blades work horizontally as you squeeze the handles vertically.

What's wrong with the Rotozip? I watched the drywallers on our new home use one for virtually every opening. Outlets, switches, door and window openings. Fast and the openings were always right where they needed to be. No oops in measuring because the opening was exactly where it actually was. My first time for seeing one in action. I think they are great in that application.

Frank Pratt
11-13-2018, 12:33 AM
What's wrong with the Rotozip? I watched the drywallers on our new home use one for virtually every opening. Outlets, switches, door and window openings. Fast and the openings were always right where they needed to be. No oops in measuring because the opening was exactly where it actually was. My first time for seeing one in action. I think they are great in that application.

I have a Rotozip which was an impulse buy when I had a drywall project to do. The thing kind of a one trick pony & is not build all that well. A small trim router will do all the rotozip will and much more, for about the same money.

Stan Calow
11-13-2018, 9:49 AM
I tried using a rotozip for a couple of things other than drywall, and decided a jigsaw was easier. Too hard to keep it going in a straight line without setting up guides. Gave it away.
I do like my chisel plane, however. It works better for cleaning up glue and small imperfections than a regular chisel. But not much use for actual planing.

John K Jordan
11-13-2018, 11:06 AM
I tried using a rotozip for a couple of things other than drywall, and decided a jigsaw was easier. ...

I finally found a good use for a Rotogrip - shaping an open knot hole in knotty pine paneling at a friend's house to fit a knot I cut from a piece of scrap.

Kev Williams
11-13-2018, 1:23 PM
Something that should work but doesn't?

Any Microsoft Windows other than XP...

Bruce Wrenn
11-13-2018, 9:23 PM
Something that should work but doesn't?

Any Microsoft Windows other than XP...AMEN! Firefox has ended support for XP. Last download of Firefox for XP is a total disaster.

Van Huskey
11-14-2018, 6:42 AM
I agree with Prashun - bull nose planes. I have the little bitty Millers Falls and no matter what I do, it just don't work. I even looked up old articles on how to use 'em - no joy.

And don't even get me started on CHISEL PLANES - aarrrrgh!

In the plane arena, it is the scraper plan for me. I so desperately want them to work but they are just way too fiddly for me. I tried both the LV and LN since they each take a different approach and I just couldn't make them work. Oddly enough I have no issues with my LV chisel plane (forget what they call it) but I find it is easier to use a paring chisel most of the time.

Tony Pisano
11-14-2018, 10:13 AM
I use "power pro" brand screws and love them. They do come with a bit and you don't have to push with all your might to keep the bit engaged. You can even drive on a little bit of an angle, plus no predrilling or countersinking needed.
I've used 2 wheel wheelbarrows before and the do take some getting used to. It's like not having power steering in the car, but they are so less prone to tipping over.
I bought my electric metal shears online from a pawnshop and have used them for cutting up washers and dryers for the sheet metal panels. In about a half hr, I'll have the thing in pieces, some to save and the rest for the scrap yard. They do take some muscle to get them over the bigger ridges, but I love that they don't distort the metal.
I haven't tried rotozip or any of the other above mentioned items.

Peter Kelly
11-14-2018, 3:48 PM
http://images.lowes.ca/img/p400/18604/028874657007_ca.jpg

Complete and utter garbage.

Frederick Skelly
11-14-2018, 8:47 PM
http://images.lowes.ca/img/p400/18604/028874657007_ca.jpg

Complete and utter garbage.

I hate staplers. Had a similar one by a different manufacturer. Hated it. Finally bought a pneumatic staple gun. THAT, as they say, is the cat's meow. What a difference!

glenn bradley
11-14-2018, 8:54 PM
Bullnose planes. So pretty, so useless.

I agree with Prashun - bull nose planes. I have the little bitty Millers Falls and no matter what I do, it just don't work. I even looked up old articles on how to use 'em - no joy.

Mostly true but, it did work great for this:

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I do agree, few and far between though :)

Slick planes and card scraper holders. spent way too much time on both, sent them down the highway.

Ken Fitzgerald
11-14-2018, 9:19 PM
Mostly true but, it did work great for this:

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I do agree, few and far between though :)

Slick planes and card scraper holders. spent way too much time on both, sent them down the highway.

I am not a hand tool aficionado but I have considered a bull nose plane just for that use.

Mel Fulks
11-14-2018, 10:00 PM
I hate staplers. Had a similar one by a different manufacturer. Hated it. Finally bought a pneumatic staple gun. THAT, as they say, is the cat's meow. What a difference!
I had trouble with one of my staplers recently. Turned out I had the wire stapling attachment on it . Gonna store that
piece somewhere else now!

Doug Garson
11-15-2018, 10:51 PM
http://images.lowes.ca/img/p400/18604/028874657007_ca.jpg

Complete and utter garbage.
I have one of those, don't use it often but the only problem I've had is I'm used to the staples coming out the other end. :eek: What issues have you had? I also have an electric stapler and admit it is easier to use.

Peter Kelly
11-15-2018, 11:58 PM
Out of the (3) PowerShot staplers I've recently purchased / returned, only one of them actually fires staples on a good day (they don't completely seat). One of the others jammed almost instantly and one wouldn't advance any staples at all. Completely infuriating.

I should probably buy a light gauge pneumatic stapler.

Lee DeRaud
11-16-2018, 12:58 PM
FlexSeal, in all of the varieties and applications I've tried it with. Makes whatever you're using it on look ugly and still leak.

Lee DeRaud
11-16-2018, 2:32 PM
FlexSeal, in all of the varieties and applications I've tried it with. Makes whatever you're using it on look ugly and still leak.Upon further review, I'm not sure that qualifies as a "product that should work", but it seemed like a good idea at the time. :)

Perry Hilbert Jr
11-16-2018, 4:36 PM
I have used two wheel wheel barrows for twenty years and would never go back to a single. As far as things that do not work, I can't think of any. They almost all work in some limited capacity. Perhaps the fancy digital TV antenna I bought for the kitchen TV. I get one station 15 miles away as the crow flies. The two that are closer, one only 5 miles away, I can't get. When I first got it, it even picked up a station 30 miles away. One by one, all but the one disappeared. In the old house, just 100 yds away, we had an antenna, much lower in the ravine and got Baltimore Maryland AND 8 local stations. I can't figure it out. But the one station on that Tv still works when the power is off (batteries) and cable is out. Mrs. must have her coffee and her morning news. the rest of the day she will put up with a power outage.