1 Garage Sale + $9 =2 saws...

[steven c newman]

Got out and about, went to see a few garage sales in the area....had to take along the Boss, of course...

Most were more for her...I did find a couple DVDs for me....Finally found one garage sale with ....TOOLS!

Spent the first $5 on a full sized WS Rip saw...
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5-1/2 ppi. First few inches of them big teeth are worn down a bit....will sharpen this one back up, after a rehab (Disston?)
As for the rest of the $9? Well..
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Handle has seen better days..
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Nib had broken off at sometime..
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10 ppi. Plate has an etch I can even read..
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Large Eagle in a sunken medallion..
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"Henry Disston" ( no sons) of PHILA.

may try to clean this $4 saw up.....we'll see...might be a tad on the older side?
Have other sales to go to...tomorrow or Saturday....

[Tony Zaffuto]

The Henry Disston (no sons) is a collector's saw-I would not do anything to it, except look for a buyer! .

[lowell holmes]

I tend to agree except I would make a new curly maple handle with new saw nuts.
I would keep the old handle and saw nuts to pass along if I sold the saw.

[Pete Taran]

Lowell,

Would that be before or after you determined if it was a panel saw or not? Just checking....

There should be a model number stamped on the blade either above or below the Disston Stamp. That is not an etch, but a stamp that was applied before the blade was hardened. They stamped the model number afterward, and it is always very faint. Look close, it may be there.

[steven c newman]

There is a "7" under the stamp. Late 1840s-early 1850s.

[Pete Taran]

Steve,

Not nearly that early, mid 50s at earliest. A couple of pictures from one that is in that date range are attached. Disston only used an "H" on his earliest saws that had medallions. You will also notice the serifs on the letters in the medallion, also a first generation characteristic. Finally, a very fine row of dots around the circumference of the medallion.

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[steven c newman]

Medallion does NOT match the one I have...HENRY DISSTON .....PHILA
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No sheild for the eagle to hold, either.
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Also..notice that the top spanner nut is actually smaller..
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Than the others.

Etch: there IS an "ED" off to the right, and slightly lower than the "7" . Saw has been sharpened enough, that the ppi stamp is gone.

Take a good look at the lamb's tongue...that your's does not have. .... yet mine does? Seems there was a small time frame where Henry was spelled out on the medallions.....

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Welcome to drive down here any time and take a look....
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I also have in the saw til a pair of No.7s..with nibs.....7ppi., but have the "keystone" style etch. pre-1928 saws.
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[Pete Taran]

Steve,

While it’s almost impossible to tell anything about your medallion due to its extreme wear and the poor photo, anyone can see that the one I posted and yours are not the same and I never claimed it was. Merely stating that your saw is not as early as you think and gave an example of one that was.

[steven c newman]

Did all my research on the Disston saw...enough that nothing else got done IN the shop, today....enough!

IF I go back to that place tomorrow, there may still be a couple saws Disston would have liked to forgot.....the ones with the strange plastic handles ( what was the plastic called?) as there were two sitting on that table...$5 each. May get a lower price tomorrow....maybe. Have a couple other places to check out...and hope it doesn't rain.


May just rehab the dang saw up, and put it to use.....if I didn't already have three 10-pointers in the til. Will still rehab the rip saw, including sharpening it up, plate is straight, handle is free of cracks. Just get the plate cleaned, and the teeth sharp.

BTW: I went to the shop, and got out the No. 7 I had in the til..
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Keystone medallion with the & sons. Has a good nib. Does not look to have been sharpened too many times....7 is stamped under the handle ( 7ppi) and the etch has a No. 7 below the Keystone part.
Will see how the Friday Rust Hunt goes.....need to get back to building that bed frame...

[lowell holmes]

Probably, a rust bucket broken tooth and handle in pieces would not strike me as a collectors item.

If I were to offer my restored D12, I imagine I would have no difficulty selling it. It was a rust bucket broken handle mess.

[steven c newman]

Welcome to drive down here and take a look...IF YOU DARE. Mine IS older than you think....and a lot older than that "new" saw you showed. Maybe, once in a while, someone other than you, might just get something right. Enough. Calling this one a 1849 Disston No.7....end of story. Have other things that need done, besides arguing with some self-appointed "Guru"......

Drive on down here, and prove me wrong....or go away.

[Stew Denton]

Steven,

It looks like the stamp, the style of the letters in the stamp, the number 7, the handle shape, and medallion all seem to be consistent with those features for the 1850s, and maybe the early 1850s, from the Disston Institute.

I am not questioning Pete, he has forgotten more about those early saws than I will ever know.

Stew

[Pete Taran]

Sorry Steven, I'll need to politely decline your generous offer to visit the "Peak of OH". While we are on the topic of early saws, I thought that perhaps folks would like to see what a REALLY early Disston saw looks like. You won't find it on any websites or in any catalogs, as no catalogs were printed when this saw was made. This saw goes back to the beginning, perhaps to 1840. The handle is very similar to British Saws, which is where Henry Disston came from. Note the very tight arch of the blade stamp with Keystone Works underneath. The faint "10" is the model. To the left is "Cast Steel" and to the right is "Warranted".

I harvested this saw back in the early 90s not far from where it was made. Not much of an internet back then. Sadly, true experts like Steven were not around then to consult with either. Enjoy!

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[steven c newman]

!840s, Henry and his one apprentise were only selling three model numbers.....#7, #8, and a #9....when he finally quit making mason's trowels...

[steven c newman]

Sooo...1875 era domed nuts? No.12, is it?

(Yes, it WAS in a catalog....)

[Pete Taran]

Steven,

As you can plainly see, it is a model 10. The handle looks nothing like a #12 and everything like an early, British style drop front saw. He used domed nuts on his earliest saws, and he wasn’t alone. Other makers used them too.

[steven c newman]

OK, since there was another saw bought today....decided to try to clean it up. doubt there was a etch...so the sander and some 120 grit to remove the rust on the Rip saw's plate. I also removed the hardware, and wirewheeled them until they shone...nickle plate was flaky anyway. The tried to remove as much of that ugly red stain as I could, and sand the "stained hardwood" smooth. Once the bench is cleared (projects are still going on..)I can swing the saw vise back up, and sharpen those big teeth. Plate is stamped as a 5-1/2 ppi. Plate is straight. Had a double set of holes, though.

Since the rip saw isn't some collector's saw, I can refinish the handle as I chose....doubt if it is as old as Pete....

[Tony Zaffuto]

Jeez, in my answer to the OP, I apologize for saying there may be collector interest in the saw!

I don't claim to have great saw knowledge, but I have two similar saws: one Disston, stamped with 7, and another identical, but with no Disston stamped marks and a "Warren & Ted" medallion.

I'l let the grandkids fight over what they are, some day in the future!

[Nicholas Lawrence]

As a good citizen who feels an obligation to intervene any time I see two old ladies swinging purses at each other on a sidewalk, I thought I would offer to take it off your hands. I’ll even double your money.

Seriously though, whatever it is, and whoever is right, and whatever you do with it, it is a neat piece of history and it will be better off than it would be rotting away wherever you found it.

Thanks for sharing it.

[steven c newman]

Have a "new" tripod for the camera...may give it a test run later.....right hand shakes almost too much to take a drink from a glass, or a can of coke....doesn't help with taking pictures. Old tripod was broken/worn out.....Yard sales today..IN THE RAIN...grrrrrr, maybe better weather tomorrow? Estate sale today......fellow did not take any care with what tools he had.....even had 5 Log Scale Lufkin rulers....3 were broken..

Maybe after Lunch, I can get back to work on that bedframe project? haven't heard from the Boss what the rest of the day is to be like....

[steven c newman]

Test drive, with the new to me tripod...short test...battery on camera was needing a recharge..
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Medallion view ( handle may have cracked from the wood shrinking over time? )
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Spanner nuts, 3 normal size, and a smaller top one?
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Best view I can get. May a one time had a ----------WARRANTED? About all I can find is the "ED"
Need to find a brush, so I can apply a shellac finish to that Rip saw's handle.....maybe after Lunch, eh?

[steven c newman]

Went with just a coat of Golden Oak stain on that rip saw's handle..
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Plate has a "Grained" look to it..rather than a polished look. Bolts were nickle plated brass...most of the plating was flaking off, anyway.
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Eagle, Warranted Superior. Hanlde is not a covertop one.
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May get out the Millers Falls No. 214, type 1. Need to file the teeth, too. 5-1/2 is the stamp below the handle. Saw vise is a Wentworth No. 1

26" long plate is straight...doubt IF they used this saw all that much, anyway...

[steven c newman]

Besides the Wentworth No. 1...these were used..
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Even put a new file in the holder! Set the teeth, then file at 90 degrees across. Did not "lean" the file forward, either...had a lot to file, cutting "face" of the teeth was leaning backwards.
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And they were pretty dull. Piece of walnut in the vise for a test drive...
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More operator error than the saw itself..but..
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Kind of rough, but it is a 5-1/2 ppi Rip saw. Does cut fairly fast, too.

Plate does have a slight bow to it...working now on flexing the curve out...
Not too bad, for a $5 saw?

And...I don't have to worry about how old it is.....

[lowell holmes]

Lowell,

Would that be before or after you determined if it was a panel saw or not? Just checking....

There should be a model number stamped on the blade either above or below the Disston Stamp. That is not an etch, but a stamp that was applied before the blade was hardened. They stamped the model number afterward, and it is always very faint. Look close, it may be there.

If you keep the old sawnuts and old broken handle, it would not matter would it? What value is a rusty broken handle saw that you can't use?

[Pete Taran]

Lowell,

Frankly, while Steven is enamored with his new purchase, and it is old, it is not collectible. Saws like this go unsold every day on Ebay. People are looking for complete examples which do not need to go to the custom shop. That is not to say that you couldn't get that saw to work with the right amount of hard work, but the end result is not something that people will be crawling over broken glass for. I'm generally very against removing handles and creating new ones for split nut saws, but in this case, no harm done. :)

[steven c newman]

I can post a picture of a "newer" No. 7....
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Actually I have two of these...sitting in the til....seems to have been a bit better taken care of..
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Will let the "Guru" explain the age of this one...
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Oh look, this one still has a nib! And so does it's "twin" 7 ppi H. Disston & Sons No. 7...pre-1928.

Maybe 50 years younger than the other No. 7.....

[Pete Taran]

Steven,

I'll call your bet and raise it. Since I know you like to argue, I thought I would post a saw that no one can dispute the age on, although I'm sure you will try. A unique and curious #7. It's not any newer than Nov 18, 1879 as you can see from the patent date on the handle. The scholars at the Institute say that saw nut is no later than 1888, so sometime in that 9 year span. What is unique is the curve on the toe. No nib, never had one, left the factory that way. I'd say it's early in the production run. Only in average condition as saws in my collection go, but was handy.

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[steven c newman]

Before I sold one saw...I rehabbed it up...to find out it was made during the first of the D-8 skewback runs...right after they gave one to Rutherford B. Hayes....you might even remember him...

So...how old is those pre-1928 No. 7s I have in my till? Hmmm?
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Part of a 4 saw "package deal" on that auction site..
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4 saws, one money...used the cash to buy other items...about the end of July, 2014...

[John C Cox]

All wound up about saws now? That must mean it's time to start another chisel alloy/sharpening thread...

[steven c newman]

Went to a Village-wide Yard sale Saturday
Found an old hay wagon covered in tools....all of which I turned away from, including a D-8 thumbhole, 5ppi rip. Handle was "pristine" , plate was shiny.....but had more kinks in it than Hustler Magazine.
2 rusty bucket mitre boxes, with saws....each of which was a size smaller than the two I already had in my shop...$45 for the pair....passed. Average price on that wagon was $20, including that D-8...

Found a garage sale a few miles outside of that town, and spent $5....for a large plastic tub...
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Has filled with stuff. Once I get all the cords, chargers, powerstrips and junk ...
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Layer..
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Upon layer..
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upon layer..
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Upon layer..
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Until I finally reached the bottom of the tub..
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After getting the usual sockets, screwdrivers, wrenches, Allen wrench sets, 5 bit holders and 20 bits for a couple driver handles/drills, a Forstner bit (1-3/8") Spade bit set...got things separated until stuff for the roll-around mechanic's tool chest, and things for the shop....Tub was a bit lighter to carry to the shop. $5? Power strip is now in use in the shop, BTW..may clean up that Cresent metal handled chisel....

The Boss even picked a Carpet cleaner/shampooer for $5! Was a very good day.

After all, that WAS what this thread was all about....finds from the yard sale trail....

[steven c newman]

The "old" No. 7 will be heading for it's new home....I get two saws rehabbed as payment for the saw. I am not set up to restore old saws like that one.....needs to be brought back to it's former glory.