Mouldings with the Veritas Combination Plane?

[Derek Cohen]

I searched the Internet. I could not find one single example of a complex moulding made with a Stanley #45. Stanley #55? Sure - that's what the #55 is for, but nada ... zip for the #45.

I'd love to see what you can come up with. Here is an ogee I made with the Veritas Combination Plane ...

Begin with the largest flute. Here, I use just half the width of the blade (one could plane the full flute to depth and then saw away half, but that is one extra step) ...

Yes, this is into the grain. But it is just pine :)

https://s19.postimg.org/wqv8lfglf/LV1a.jpg

You can see the plan here ...

https://s19.postimg.org/5t1bjp3o3/LV4a.jpg

This is a tricky manoeuvre. To plane this, you reverse the depth stop and the fence - because the blade slopes, it wants to fall off the edge of the board. Pressure on the depth stop helps register the plane. This means that you need to keep adjusting the depth stop for slight increases in depth.

https://s19.postimg.org/fqcccryf7/LV2a.jpg

Complete the cove ...

https://s19.postimg.org/fqcccrqpf/LV3a.jpg

https://s19.postimg.org/5g9xdjg9f/LV5a.jpg

Now all that is left is to plane with a straight blade, as if rebating ..

https://s19.postimg.org/rfgc0r4tf/LV7a.jpg

https://s19.postimg.org/eo25u806b/LV6a.jpg

Regards from Perth

Derek

[James Pallas]

Fence on the other side of the work and cam support.
Jim

[Derek Cohen]

That's good thinking Jim.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Jim Koepke]

I searched the Internet. I could not find one single example of a complex moulding made with a Stanley #45. Stanley #55? Sure - that's what the #55 is for, but nada ... zip for the #45.

Some of my tea cabinet and other projects have included moldings made with a #45. Even with knowing some are posted on SMC, the searching function is having a hard time finding them.

Here is one of my Tea Cabinet threads with molding made using a #45:

https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?224747-Tea-Cabinet-Latest-Project&highlight=

And a picture:

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One thing that worked for me was to use the bead blade first so the fluting blade could cut away the quirk the beading blade left.

jtk

[Derek Cohen]

That's also a good combination, Jim.

I'm curious to see what variations one can come up with using the blades for a #45.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Jim Koepke]

Here are a few from just having some fun one day:

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These were mostly done with a beading blade and a fluting blade. They were made on the edge of a piece and then ripped off using a band saw.

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little imperfections can be cleaned up with a rabbet plane or the fluting blade depending on which will work best.

jtk

[steven c newman]

Hmmm..
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Then join the two..
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hmmm...

[Derek Cohen]

Here are a few from just having some fun one day:

jtk

Jim, that is excellent. Thanks.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Derek Cohen]

Hmmm..

hmmm..
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Then join the two..

hmmm...

Steven, thanks. Can you come up with a complex moulding and not a single blade (such as the bead)?

Regards from Perth

Derek

[ernest dubois]

We call it just combination plane, not 45, (luckily) since it's made by the company Clifton out of England but as far as I know, the same tool. Did you mean made or made with this plane?
https://vimeo.com/176331788
https://vimeo.com/176331788

[Derek Cohen]

Hi Ernest

I am interested in complex mouldings made with a #45 (which is a combination plane), be it Stanley, Record, Clifton or Veritas. The video you linked to uses wooden planes (including Hollows and Rounds) to make the complex moulding.

I did not see a Clifton - did you link to the video you had in mind?

Regards from Perth

Derek

[ernest dubois]

Hi Ernest

I am interested in complex mouldings made with a #45 (which is a combination plane), be it Stanley, Record, Clifton or Veritas. The video you linked to uses wooden planes (including Hollows and Rounds) to make the complex moulding.

I did not see a Clifton - did you link to the video you had in mind?

Regards from Perth

Derek
I always understood the number designations were coming from the Stanley company and then get applied more widely to whole classes or types of planes in an informal way. Another way of putting it, all (Stanley) #45s are combination planes but not all combination planes are #45s, right?

Wooden planes and more were used in the video, to include the Clifton combination at the beginning so the complex molding shown certainly gets made with the combination plane. But maybe you are meaning something else. I managed to pull a screen shot down.380631

[Derek Cohen]

Thanks Ernest. That could be a Clifton (or a Stanley) #45. As I recall, in the video it was used to plane rebates only. Then woodies took over.

The question I am trying to answer is whether complex mouldings can be made with the blades that come with a #45.

Regards from Perth

Derek

[Jim Koepke]

The question I am trying to answer is whether complex mouldings can be made with the blades that come with a #45.

The only molding shape included in the standard blade set were beading blades. Fluting blades were available only as extras that most folks do not have.

That would be a bit of a drawback for most attempts at making moldings. Though some interesting decorative details can be made just using beading blades.

jtk

[steven c newman]

One can make quite a few different moldings with the 45.....but, unless you several planes on hand and set up for each shape....you will do a lot of switching cutters to make such moldings. The cutters from the 55, known as specialty cutters, needed the sliding skat to be adjustable up AND down, and the fences to tilt....things the 55 was designed to do. The Ogee cutters and the like would then have both edges supported by the skates. Such cutters will not work in the 45s....

[James Pallas]

The blades that work in a 55 will sometimes do okay in a 45. That being said the 55 can control 2 axis because of the third skate and 2 handles. The 45 can sometimes work ok by using the cam to control the vertical to some extent or rigging fixtures. So in Derek's case with the iron half into the work it takes a lot of finesse to keep the fence against the work and control the depth of cut. It can be done but I would think that it would be as least as difficult as cutting a rabbet on a 1/2" edge free hand with a shoulder plane or something like that. The 55 will do that or cut that cove that Derek was doing fairly easily. The 45 or LV's new plane can do it but not easily without some additional fixture.
Jim

[Andrey Kharitonkin]

Thank you, Derek, for starting this thread! Finally, I might learn something on what I can do with the new Combination Plane. :)

And besides what technically possible, it is also important to know where to apply...

I managed to make multiple passes of 3/16 bead next to each other, thanks to fence with micro adjustment that was easy:

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As far as I know, this would be reeds (also can be done with reeding blades). And they represent "power of many sticks or branches" (from some ancient times when furniture was made from branches?). As we know, it is harder to brake many sticks at once than one at a time. Also symbol of power in ancient Rome:

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[Jim Koepke]

Also symbol of power in ancient Rome:

It was also used on the U.S. Dime (10 cent piece) from 1916 until 1945. Commonly referred to as a "Mercury Dime" it is correctly known as the "Winged Liberty Head Dime."

The fasces on the reverse symbolizes unity and strength. This harkins our national motto, E Pluribus Unum, from many one.

From Wikipedia:


The coin's reverse depicts a fasces, symbolizing unity and strength, and an olive branch, signifying peace.

jtk

[Andrey Kharitonkin]

Yes Jim, that is what I wanted to say. And your moldings are very inspiring. I'm going to try that! (Which blades and sizes have you used there?)

[Jim Koepke]

Yes Jim, that is what I wanted to say. And your moldings are very inspiring. I'm going to try that! (Which blades and sizes have you used there?)

My recollection is a 3/8" bead and a 1/2" fluting blade. It has been a few years. Since then my accumulation of Hollows and Rounds has been built up and they are much better for this than a #45 though multi-plane does come in handy at times.

jtk