Another Deputy Setup

[Mike Burke]

Well I am going to install a SDD to my system.
I have a Grizzly 2 hp running 220volt
Wynn filter 35a I think it is
I have a height issue in my basement shop and only have 7' ceilings so I need to keep it as short as I can.
Here is a "rough" drawing of my two thoughts.

https://i.imgur.com/1tAz0WC.jpg

I assume option #1 would be the best performer. If I can get it to fit my ceiling height.

My concerns/questions I have with option #1

Can I close the top off with plywood ?
Do I need an open end on my filter ? Right now my filter is closed on the end.
I don't think it would be a very good idea to cut the end open.

Option #2

Do I need the plastic bag under the filter ?
Can I downsize it to 1/2 is original size ?
Is the 5" hard pipe going to kill the performance ?

I have been searching this upgrade so much I'm about burnt out on it. I know there have been thousands of threads about this but seems everyone is different....but trying to achieve the same performance.

Thanks for your time and suggestions ( if you have the patience to answer another "SDD" thread)

Mike

[Mike Burke]

Here is my exciting setup..
I am going to upgrade my duct to 5" snap lock duct
There is a Plastic bag under the cloth bag


https://i.imgur.com/AtZyyWw.jpg

[Mike Chalmers]

With option 1, the first time you overfill the dust bin and overflow goes into your filter you will regret the design. And, it will happen.

[Patrick Cosentino]

I'm in the exact same boat as you , SDD , 7 foot ceilings in basement.
Getting the last of my 5" metal ducting fittings next week (nightmare to find( , then i'll start putting it all together.
I'm going to mimic DIY Tylers set up
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But I'll be running a short length of hose from the blower to the filter "coupler". (both blower and filter/bag units will be wall mounted)
Putting a wynn filter up top , and keeping the plastic bag down below. Specifically for Mike's mention of overflowing the dust bin.

Can't answer about the smaller bag or plywood top , but I think #2 will unnecessarily hurt your CFM's with 3 90 elbows in such a short span.

I know what you mean about the burn out . Bought the HF DC , bought the SDD , and THEN I started researching about dust collection.....talk about information overload , and every site you get info from , the next site refutes it.... Good luck though! I'll post my set up whenever I end up getting it wall mounted.

[Mike Burke]

I have a small shop and could really just move my DC to each machine...or a 10 piece of flex hose would reach all most all of my machines. So....maybe stop buying add ons (SDD,Filters,5" duct) and stop the diy set up and buy a cyclone collector.. already designed and built.

[Mike Burke]

I did some measuring and have come up with another option...which might be the easiest and will keep the filter/bag assembly intact.
Any suggestions or thoughts on this option ?

https://i.imgur.com/TnT6pFH.jpg

Thank You

[Mike Chalmers]

I did some measuring and have come up with another option...which might be the easiest and will keep the filter/bag assembly intact.
Any suggestions or thoughts on this option ?Thank YouLooks like the standard set up in so many threads already.

[Carl Kona]

Your 2HP blower is restricted on the output down to a 5". If you look at the upgraded 2HP with canister filter they have a larger metal duct to the separator. That removes the output restriction and takes advantage of the larger filter area. Eliminate the separator and fit a 90 duct to the top of the Filter and cut a hole in the bottom of the filter for the bag. It is smaller and more efficient. Otherwise , like Mike said.
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[Mike Burke]

It didn't help Carl....just change my direction again....JK :D

Thanks for the suggestion. So a modified option #1

My Wynn filter has one end that is open. So I could cut and fit the 90 duct onto the closed end now,
and use the open end for the bag hookup ?

I even was thinking I could make a rectangle 90 elbow out of 3/4" plywood and sheet metal...with some flanges on it.
It would be stronger to support the filter better.
Kind of like this

https://www.pentairprotect.com/en/hoffman/F66WE90SS

[Carl Kona]

Mike,

You can build a square box with the blower entering on side and a circle hole in the bottom for the filter. If you look up stumpy nubs he has a video on using a HD bucket instead of a bag on the bottom of the filter. You can get the Wynn filter clamps or make your own to attach the filter to the box. This uses a clean out box at the bottom:
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[Mike Kreinhop]

I went a bit on the overkill side for the 3HP DC system and filters because my shop is in one half of a finished basement. I used a pair of Wynn 35A filters with the dust pan options to make any clean outs easier. The SDD feeds a 35-gallon plastic trash can. I had to add an internal removable brace to the trash can because the can would deform due to the vacuum after a few minutes of use and break the seal at the lid. After adding the brace, the can retains its shape and functions perfectly.

This was an expensive design, but worth the peace of mind for keeping the rest of the house reasonably dust free from the shop. I made the box using plywood and formed the hose into a rectangle to connect the blower to the filter box. My air compressor fits nicely under the filters.


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4509/23608697328_f262e5ac97_b.jpg

[Carl Kona]

Thanks Mike Kreinhop, yours was the inspiration for my own filter box and the pic I wanted to reference for Mike (the OP) to see. Your installation is first class!

[Mike Burke]

Thanks Mike, nice looking system for sure. Thanks Carl for posting again
I have a couple thoughts and questions.

I'm planning on using a elbow from fan to filter, I think to box would be to big for me.

Mike, is the pan filter worth the extra cost ? I was thinking about going with the bucket on bottom.

Carl, I have 4" spiral pipe for my whole system. Should I be expecting to change duct size out of the SDD for my main run ?

I'm getting a handle on things..took my collector apart yesterday, cleaning my filter and doing some measuring. Parts on their way. 👍

[Mike Kreinhop]

Mike, is the pan filter worth the extra cost ? I was thinking about going with the bucket on bottom.

It was worth the cost for me. In addition to providing an additional 60 square feet of MERV 16 filter, the pans provide an easy access for cleaning the filter assembly as required.

Since everything I have was mailed to me, I ordered as much as I thought I would need at one time. I am happy with the results and the only thing I would change if I was starting again would be the alignment from the blower assembly to the filter box. I would make the connection as straight as possible instead of the S-bend with the rectangular flex tubing. However, this would likely require a 1.5 meter deep closet instead of the 1-meter dimension.

[Mike Kreinhop]

Thanks Mike Kreinhop, yours was the inspiration for my own filter box and the pic I wanted to reference for Mike (the OP) to see. Your installation is first class!

Thank you, Carl!

[Carl Kona]

I have 4" spiral pipe for my whole system. Should I be expecting to change duct size out of the SDD for my main run ?

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Mike,

I don't know how long your runs are or the rest of your setup but the longer the run with 4" the more of a detriment there is to your performance. Attached is a matrix showing the pipe to duct size relationship. If you can operate in the 4000-4500 FPM columns you will best optimize the ducts you have. You will notice that going from 4 to 5 inch ducts you will increase the area by almost 50%. Ina 4" duct you will probably have a velocity higher than 5000FPM (assuming the runs are fairly short). Going too large is also not good as the velocity to keep things airborne requires more CFM. So a 6" duct @4o00FPM needs a blower with 784 CFM. But you have to consider the rest of your system's resistance. So with the SDD, piping, filter, etc you probably have 6-9" of resistance. For that you will need a 3-5HP blower. So for a 1.5-2HP blower you are best to use 5" duct as far as possible. But you should start with Bill Pentz' static pressure calculator (excel spreadsheet) and let it tell you how much resistance your system has.

When connecting your elbow you will best be served by using at least a 6-7 diameter duct and remove the 5" reducer on the blower.
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[Ben Lindholm]

Hello all, I don't mean to hijack the thread. I am looking at the same set up for my one car shop. Dose anyone have the demntions of the blower outlet/ baffle inlet. I'm hoping they will marry up if I rotate the blower 90 degrees. Thanks for the help.

[Mike Burke]

Just a quick update.
I had to try a couple ways to get things to fit...but this is it..I think 😁
http://i.imgur.com/bOKydzC.jpg

Just a couple questions:
Should I use fixed 90 elbows or adjustable ones ? I am going with the long sweep 90s.

Do I have to have a round catch drum or would a square box work ?

To seal seams on the duct work..foil tape it the paint on sealer mastic ?

I want to Thank Carl Kona...he has helped me beyond what I could have asked for. Thanks

[Mike Burke]

I thought I would post another photo of my progress. It's been slow going but going pretty good.
Fittings came from Kencraft. They are Monsters !! One good thing is they fit 5" Snap Lock duct perfect.
Over one hurdle....three more before I fire it up.

https://i.imgur.com/sqp1jgT.jpg

[Mike Chalmers]

Looking good.

[Patrick Cosentino]

Looks good!

I hung a majority of my pipe this weekend , taping , screwing , securing .......what a pain ... and that's for a ~25' duct run , 3 wyes , 7 blast gates , and a bunch of mismatched fittings.

I taped all my seams , should be enough , but someone else with more experience could probably answer better.

How are you changing your barrel?
Do you have the SDD attached directly to it ? or do you have a length of hose between the SDD and the lid?
I'm thinking of just using wedges to lift the barrel 1-2 inches so it's snug to the lid.

More pics of your set up!
I'll post mine tonight , so we can all get a good laugh , it's ugly as sin , but I think I optimized it as best as humanly possible with what I had available to me.
If I had to do it again , I'd order all fittings from the same supplier , trying to save money with 'cheap' fittings from 8 different places , just lead to many headaches and I'm positive I didn't save a thing...

[Mike Burke]

Patrick,
I have my SDD hooked right on the drum with a locking ring. Here is a photo of it. I have a platform for the bottom support.

I have mine all taped but not done with my table saw hook-up yet. It works...I just had to fire it up...it moves some air for sure.

To do it over again....I'm not sure. I know I spent about 1/2 of what a Oneida would of cost....and im not sure this upgrade is enginered the best.

On one hand ....if I had the money I would buy a Oneida a just run flex hose and be mobile.

But on the other hand it's nice having the duct work and just turn it on and work.

http://i.imgur.com/kTutDhl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/x56y1lr.jpg

[Patrick Cosentino]

Looks good Mike!
Nice Clean setup.

Here's my Frankenstein setup.
Due to my 5" plastic wyes , and 5" powertec blastgates (that i'm not a huge fan of , they taper way too much inwards) I had to get creative on some of the connections or else I would have really horrible internal transitions from fitting to fitting.

SDD on the left is about where it's going to be wall mounted
The first drop connects to a 10' 5" hose , that connects to a PvC adapter that quick connects into my Tablesaw , Planer , Bandsaw.
Planer is on a sled an can be moved wherever , the other 2 are right next to that port.

The other 'drop' (with room for expansion) drops down to a 4" wye that will connect to a short 2 feet section of 4" hose , that will connect to a 4" to 2.5" adapter that will plug directly into my disc sander , rigid belt sander , and router table that'll be up against that wall.

the long 4" offshoot will be for my RAS (if i ever get it set up for DC) , or maybe just an extension for a floor sweep


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[Mike Burke]

looks good Patrick,
You have a lot going on there.
Good luck with the rest of the install. Hope it works good for you.