Need your thoughts on this saw

[Marshall Harrison]

This G1023RLWX just popped up on Craigslist. I would like to have your opinions on this. I am concerned with the 8" left and 26" right cutting capacity. Not sure if it will be limiting or not for general woodworking. I don't have 240 in my garage but that can be remedied. I'm also worried that the rust would be a problem.

[FONT=Bitstream Vera Serif][SIZE=3]left tilting: does that mean it tilts away from the fence when the fence is in the normal position to the right of the blade. Want to make sure I'm not getting this confused.

/jacksonville.craigslist.org/tls/d/grizzly-g1023rlwx-10-5-hp/6475866354.html"

[Jerry Miner]

I've never owned one, but that saw is well-regarded by many. It has a proven track record. The limits on rip capacity are created by the length of the fence rails. If you need greater capacity, longer rails are available from Grizzly (http://www.grizzly.com/products/7-Rails-w-Legs/W2007). Personally, I rarely need more than 24" rip capacity.

Left tilt does indeed mean that the blade tilts to the left when viewed from the normal operating position (tilts away from the fence when the fence is to the right of the blade).

[Marshall Harrison]

How hard is it to get the rust out of that saw top?

[Bob Coates]

I have used " non-woven hand pads" with and wire brush on an angle grinder. Just use enough pressure to to hold pad. When clean use Johnson paste wax to seal.

[Matt Day]

That’s VERY light surface rust. First use a razor blade to scrape off as much as you can. Depending on what tools you have, a ROS with scotch brite pads or angle grinder with cup wheel and scotch brite pad will take the rest right off.

Looks to be in good condition. It’s basically a Unisaw copy from Chiwan. $800 is an okay price.

[Bill Space]

Looks to be in good condition. It’s basically a Unisaw copy from Chiwan. $800 is an okay price.

I have one and love it. It has a 5 hp motor so you need a 30 amp feed to get a full 5HP out of it.

It is NOT really a unisaw copy. The mechanism for blade tilt and elevation is a different design. It also uses a serpentine belt, rather than three matched V belts.

The G0690 series is more similar to the unisaw.

I would not hesitate to buy again if given a second chance. I did transfer my Delta Unifence with 52” rails to the Grizzly, so I cannot comment on the fence that came with the saw.

If you do a search of this site I believe you will turn up some detailed info on the G1023 series saws.

Bill

[Marshall Harrison]

Thanks for all the info. I'm going to look into how much it would cost to add a 230V circuit to my garage as that has to be considered.I think there is rom on the panel. I'll also need to add in a mobile base.

[scott spencer]

That's a nice saw with a modern riving knife, and a vertical thread and dovetail ways on the blade height mechanism. You can easily slide the front rail over by one bolt hole to gain nearly 10" more rip capability. Just slide the front rail on the bracket, replace with one less bolt, and replace or relocate the measuring tape.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61HcAp0uEOL._SL1000_.jpg

[Prashun Patel]

Am I reading the specs correctly that it's 5hp? That's a bonus.

Scott, am I reading correctly that this saw has a splitter, not a riving knife? {edit: sorry, the picture on the website is different from the manual, which says it DOES contain a riving knife. }

OP: I'd double check that your version comes with a true riving knife.

[scott spencer]

The older Grizzly G1023"S" series, which was a Unisaw clone, had a splitter. The newer G1023"R" series has a riving knife.

http://chainsawjournal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Grizzly-G1023RL-Cabinet-Table-Saw-01.jpg

[Bill Adamsen]

+1 on the approach Matt suggests for initial surface rust removal with a razor. I then use 3m pads under a block of wood flushed with mineral spirits and lots of rags. Wax when done.

That price is (in my opinion) just OK ... about a 50% discount on list. Even with the 5hp (only a $50 premium at Grizzly) I'd think there is some flexibility in that price. I did a quick search on the Jacksonville CL and there are other deals to be had including that wonderful Felder K700 for $1500.

[Ed Edwards]

Marshall,

If you need clamps, maybe he could sweeten the deal. He can't just leave them on the floor when you buy the saw...

Good luck, looks like a great saw!

Ed

[tom lucas]

I own the 3hp version. Love it. All a hobby woodworker ever needs. The price is about half of a new one delivered to your door. If the previously mentioned methods for rust remove don't work, try rustoleum rust dissolver. It works but not sure if it will leave a stain.

It has a riving knife.

Man! I don't understand how someone can pay all that money for a nice tool and let it go like that! Keep the dust off and keep it waxed and it won't look like that.

[Marshall Harrison]

Thanks for all the input. Much appreciated.

I have decided to pass on this saw. I can get the Grizzly G70771Z for $845 + shipping and it runs on 120V. New saw, no rust, a warranty and no electrical work necessary. Not enough price difference to go with a used saw that may or may not have problems.

[andy bessette]

...I have decided to pass on this saw. I can get the Grizzly G70771Z for $845 + shipping...

Bad choice. The other saw is way better.

[glenn bradley]

Bad choice. The other saw is way better.

I agree. The 771 is a big step down but, we all make our own decisions for our own reasons.

[David Helm]

I got the G1023RLX (right side extension so wider cuts can be done)right after the redesign to add true riving knife (compliance with law). Love the saw. I agree with Glenn, the 771 is a huge stepdown. No question, if given the choice, I would go for the used 1023.

[Marshall Harrison]

Bad choice. The other saw is way better.

Care to elaborate on why?

To be clear, I haven't decided to get the 7071Z but rather pointing out that the Craigslist saw was priced too close to the new saw to be of any great value.

[andy bessette]

Care to elaborate on why?...

The new one is a glorified contractors saw. The used one is a cabinet saw. No comparison. The tiny bit of rust will scrub right off.

[scott spencer]

The G1023RLWX is a full step up in class of saw. A fair analogy IMHO would to be compare a new Chevy S10 to a slightly used top end Silverado. Everything about it is heavier duty. It has a better fence, much heavier duty underpinnings, more than twice the power, much more mass, a router table, and can be demonstrated to run well. Both are capable saws, and Grizzly is a reputable company who stands behind their products, but there are no guarantees that the G0771Z (or any new saw) won't have some issues to deal with when it arrives. The rust shown on the used saw looks very minor and should clean off easily (the seller should have cleaned it up first) ....the listing says its in great shape, no mention of any problems.

The pic below is of the guts of one of the Shop Fox hybrids, which should be pretty close to the G0771Z:
https://i.imgur.com/KD36QHZ.jpg

Compare that to the guts of the G1023RL:
https://i.imgur.com/UnFoRlh.jpg

[andy bessette]

ss--good post.

[Marshall Harrison]

The new one is a glorified contractors saw. The used one is a cabinet saw. No comparison. The tiny bit of rust will scrub right off.

Thanks. That makes sense. What would be a good price for the 1023?

See more of my confusion here - https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?261848-What-makes-a-saw-a-quot-Cabinet-Saw-quot&p=2773099#post2773099

[Matt Day]

Half the price of new is a good starting point. So looks like it sells for about $1600 new, so the seller priced it pretty good. If I were in your shoes I’d offer $600 and hope to settle at $700, though $800 is fair. I agree that this saw is a huge step up from the hybrid saw.

That being said, personally I’d prefer an old Unisaw to fix up, but it sounds like fixing up may not be your wheelhouse.

[Marshall Harrison]

Half the price of new is a good starting point. So looks like it sells for about $1600 new, so the seller priced it pretty good. If I were in your shoes I’d offer $600 and hope to settle at $700, though $800 is fair. I agree that this saw is a huge step up from the hybrid saw.

That being said, personally I’d prefer an old Unisaw to fix up, but it sounds like fixing up may not be your wheelhouse.

Its not a matter of my wheelhouse.

The $800 will be at the top of my budget. Then I have to add a 230v circuit to my garage. My wife ain't going to understand why I have to spend more money just to use the saw I just spent $800 on.

[Matt Day]

Then be patient and find a good deal on a Unisaw.

[Mike Kees]

I agree with Andy. Way better saw for the same money.

[Ken Combs]

Its not a matter of my wheelhouse.

The $800 will be at the top of my budget. Then I have to add a 230v circuit to my garage. My wife ain't going to understand why I have to spend more money just to use the saw I just spent $800 on.

I don't know your workshop configuration, but adding 240v could be 30 bucks if you're a competent do it yourselfer and need the outlet a few feet from the breaker box. In any case, it shouldn't be all that much, and the 800 is asking, not necessarily what you will to pay after negotiation.
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[Marshall Harrison]

I need to price the 220V addition then visit the guy and see how firm he is on the price. 220 may be cheaper than I expect.

There are no Unisaws in my area on craigslist except for an obvious Delta contractor saw that someone has listed as a Unisaw.

[Matt Day]

The key phrase in my post was to “be patient”. A cheap Unisaw isn’t going to appear the minute you decide that’s what you want. You need to diligently watch CL for one and it might take months or a year or two. If you want to buy a saw now, I think you should negotiate with the seller of the Grizzly soon or it will slip through your fingers. I understand you need to figure how much a 220V line would cost but that’s not hard, and if you feel you can’t come up with a number easily then ask a friend with more experience.

A rule of thumb is if you have to ask if it’s a good deal, it’s probably sold and gone by the time you get an answer.

And if and when you do buy it, there are lots of threads on here about how to move a cabinet saw that you can find with the search function.

[andy bessette]

I need to price the 220V addition then visit the guy and see how firm he is on the price...

I would jump on the used saw, which is priced very fairly, before someone else does.

[Mike Cutler]

Marshall

That's a nice Grizzly saw. It would serve the needs of most any wood worker.
I referred to that saw in my response to your other post. I would seriously consider changing your mind about it. It might cost a couple hundred to get an outlet in the shop wired for 240, if you need to pay someone, but 10 years from now, you'll be glad you did.
There are a zillion ways to clean that table top, and the dimension for left and right of blade are kind of meaningless. They are a function of the fence, and can be altered as needed to suit.

[Marshall Harrison]

That Grizzly seems to have disappeared from Craigslist. My gut was never comfortable with that saw anyway. May have been the rust and the clamps staked on the concrete floor. Maybe God was watching out for me. I don't know but I am not mourning it.

I've decided to extend my search area and look for a Unisaw. May get some other brand but definitely looking for a used cabinet saw thanks to all the input I've got here on the Creek.

Thanks for all the help.

[Matt Day]

God had nothing to do with it, somebody just acted faster!

Lots of lessons learned though. You know what you’re looking for now. Get a 220v line installed (or at least get a price for one so you can factor it into the saw price). And research how to move a cabinet saw so you’re ready when one pops up. An xterra is plenty of car - I’ve moved many machines inside my 15 year old forester which is a lot smaller.

[Matt Day]

Oh, and about the rust - you do live in Florida. Rust happens unless you have a conditioned space.

[Marshall Harrison]

God had nothing to do with it, somebody just acted faster!

Lots of lessons learned though. You know what you’re looking for now. Get a 220v line installed (or at least get a price for one so you can factor it into the saw price). And research how to move a cabinet saw so you’re ready when one pops up. An xterra is plenty of car - I’ve moved many machines inside my 15 year old forester which is a lot smaller.

Thanks, I already have a line on a Unisaw that the owner will be putting up for sale soon. Glad to hear that it should fit n my Xterra. I'll start looking for 230V circuit estimates on Monday. Though I think I'll have to subpanel it. Doesn't hurt to research it.

[scott spencer]

Delta Unisaw with Biesemeyer fence - https://brunswick.craigslist.org/tls/d/delta-10-unisaw/6461709778.html