Basket Weave Illusion design software?

[Ted Baxter]

I am looking for a software program to design patterns for plates & hollow forms hopefully a good program that's not to expensive any suggestions would be helpful.

[Bill Boehme]

I think that this is where your creativity comes into play. You can search books on Native American baskets and pottery for inspiration. You can also search online and find some ideas.

[Keith Outten]

Vectric Aspire has the capability to design and CNC machine basket weave projects but its probably a bit to expensive. You might be able to connect with one of our CNC Router operators here who can produce the files you need.
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[Ted Baxter]

I think that this is where your creativity comes into play. You can search books on Native American baskets and pottery for inspiration. You can also search online and find some ideas.
Creativity that's what I need where can I buy some of that:) I have been looking at books and the internet also thanks for the sugestions .

[John Keeton]

Bill is correct. Do your research, decide the story you want to tell, and then do some layout sketches. I use a free online program to print concentric circular graph paper to do designs for my bowl lids. Most of the fun in doing them is in the planning and design. I don’t think one would have the same level of enjoyment with a graphics program. Just my thoughts.

[John K Jordan]

I am looking for a software program to design patterns for plates & hollow forms hopefully a good program that's not to expensive any suggestions would be helpful.

I don't know of any specific for that. The Segment Pro software might work for the design - you can create any profile apply patterns. I've got it loaded but I don't know if it will create enough segments to simulate the basket illusion. A guy in one of the clubs I attend not only does segmented pieces but also does basket illusion pieces - if you want me to I could ask if he things this software will work or if he knows of something better.

JKJ

[John Keeton]

The problem I see with software is that designs normally are indexed radially. Some folks do pieces that appear more like beadwork than coiled basketry. To me, Harvey Meyers’ work is like that. Others mimic coiled basketry, which I prefer. Either way, one needs to take into account the fluctuating surface on the form. I don’t know how a software program could design around any specific form, but then, I have never looked into that method of layout.

[Ted Baxter]

I don't know of any specific for that. The Segment Pro software might work for the design - you can create any profile apply patterns. I've got it loaded but I don't know if it will create enough segments to simulate the basket illusion. A guy in one of the clubs I attend not only does segmented pieces but also does basket illusion pieces - if you want me to I could ask if he things this software will work or if he knows of something better.

JKJIf you don't mind check with your friend about the software. What i had in mind was something i could play with to come up with designs and maybe it would mirror the designs so I would not have to draw the same thing more than once something that would allow me to see the design complete and how it would fit a project. I just need a little help with visualizing the end product

[John K Jordan]

If you don't mind check with your friend about the software. What i had in mind was something i could play with to come up with designs and maybe it would mirror the designs so I would not have to draw the same thing more than once something that would allow me to see the design complete and how it would fit a project. I just need a little help with visualizing the end product

Will do. Did you look at the pictures at the bottom of the Segment Pro page? http://woodturnerpro.com/software/segmentpro.htm

[Bill Blasic]

Take a class with Harvey and he will fix you up.

[Ted Baxter]

Will do. Did you look at the pictures at the bottom of the Segment Pro page? http://woodturnerpro.com/software/segmentpro.htm I looked at the link that might be an option but not sure it has a lot of options but not sure I would use much of them. I was hoping to find something cheaper but may have to pony up for it. I have really become intrigued by the whole basket weave look. Thanks for your help.

[Peter Blair]

Harvey uses Graph Paper Maker, I think, but you still need to decide which section to color.

[John K Jordan]

I looked at the link that might be an option but not sure it has a lot of options but not sure I would use much of them. I was hoping to find something cheaper but may have to pony up for it. I have really become intrigued by the whole basket weave look. Thanks for your help.

I sent an email to my friend and asked if it would work. I don't have it loaded on this computer so I can't check for myself. (I guess I thought the price was reasonable, but I guess I'm comparing to professional software. I sold two motorcycles once to help pay for a $3000 3D modeling package. :))

I also asked if he knew of any software that would be applicable to the basket illusion. Also, you might try emailing Harvey Meyer. He's always replied when I had a question.

JKJ

[John K Jordan]

My friend Rod replied:

I have used the radial graph paper to lay out my patterns. I have not tried to use Segment Pro but I think that it is possible. I start with an actual American Indian basket and count the patterns. Then figure how many squares it will take for each pattern. Meaning, how many rings and how many repeats.

JKJ

[Ted Baxter]

Thanks I don't think the price is to high i am just not sure how well it would work for what I wanted thank you and your friend for you your. I sent an email to Harvey Meyer and he responded with a couple of sugestions.

[Allen Howell]

You might want to try SketchUp. It is free and does not have too steep of a learning curve.

[John K Jordan]

Thanks I don't think the price is to high i am just not sure how well it would work for what I wanted thank you and your friend for you your. I sent an email to Harvey Meyer and he responded with a couple of sugestions.

I got another note from Rod:
I just played with Segment Pro. When you go to the paint mode, the segments are in the brick layout. When you do a basket illusion, the rows are all in a line. It can be done but it will be more difficult than the radial patterns.

The overlapping brick pattern could work by considering each brick to be two basket segments, but then the detail in the pattern would be limited. The graph paper method sounds like what I'd use. You can print almost any kind of graph paper from the internet.

JKJ

JKJ

[Bill Boehme]

I use DeltaCAD to create some basic layout lines, but I don't think that any software program comes with built in designs if that is what you had in mind. I start with a design that I want to create and then use DeltaCAD to draw the indexing lines. I then print this out full size and lay the basket inverted over the printout and use a colored pencil to put tick marks on the wood. Next, I use a flexible straightedge to draw the outlines with colored pencils. I don't use graphite pencils because they leave permanent smudges that can't be erased. I burn in the pattern outlines and then color the patterns at least partially along the edges. The rest is just mind numbing burning and coloring. I like to do a herringbone weave around the rim, but there are other options. The inspiration for my work originated from the basket illusions that Jim Adkins does when I saw his pieces in the instant gallery at SWAT and then attended his demo.

Here is one of mine that is patterned after the well known Navajo wedding basket. I would like to emphasize that the software had nothing to do with creating the design. It was only an aid in putting the indexing on paper. A typical indexing wheel wouldn't work for me because I use an odd number of repetitive patterns and because of the gap in this pattern, I divided 357° by 50 for the outer pattern and by 34 for the inner pattern.

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And, here is a close up of the herringbone pattern on the rim.

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[Ted Baxter]

371272Thanks I found deltacad and may look into it. I am not looking for a program with designs already in it I am just interested in a program that would allow me to create designs and view them and maybe even view different colors before I put it to the would. I really like the example you shared. Do you do the herringbone pattern on the rim free hand are is there a method to get them so stright? Here is my first try.

Thanks for your comments and photo nice job

[Bill Boehme]

371272Thanks I found deltacad and may look into it. I am not looking for a program with designs already in it I am just interested in a program that would allow me to create designs and view them and maybe even view different colors before I put it to the would. I really like the example you shared. Do you do the herringbone pattern on the rim free hand are is there a method to get them so stright? Here is my first try.
Thanks for your comments and photo nice job





I have used a couple ways to do the herringbone pattern. The most accurate is to mold epoxy putty around a couple inches of the rim then remove it and trim with an Xacto knife to get the desired angle of the lines. Then use a colored pencil to draw the lines and finally burn the pattern. The other method ... after getting proficient in burning the pattern is to skip the jig and freehand the lines with a colored pencil. I would never consider skipping drawing the pencil lines. You can erase pencil lines ... it's a lot harder to erase burned lines. :D

[John K Jordan]

I like to do a herringbone weave around the rim, but there are other options.
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I REALLY love the look of that, wish I could look at the piece in person. Question: do you carry burned lines on the rim around to a continuation of the pattern on the bottom?

I watched a bit of a video in a symposium vendor's booth of a jig with a tiny hot knife wheel burning perfectly radial lines on a platter/plate, rolling up over each bead then down into the grooves. Probably used with an indexing wheel. It sure looked effortless but instead of a basket illusion I thought it was more of a basket disillusion. To be fair, I didn't watch more than 30 seconds so maybe I missed the big picture.

JKJ

[Bill Boehme]

I REALLY love the look of that, wish I could look at the piece in person. Question: do you carry burned lines on the rim around to a continuation of the pattern on the bottom?

I watched a bit of a video in a symposium vendor's booth of a jig with a tiny hot knife wheel burning perfectly radial lines on a platter/plate, rolling up over each bead then down into the grooves. Probably used with an indexing wheel. It sure looked effortless but instead of a basket illusion I thought it was more of a basket disillusion. To be fair, I didn't watch more than 30 seconds so maybe I missed the big picture.

JKJ

Yes, and the pattern on the bottom is aligned with the top. It's all several hundred hours of work as opposed to the type that uses an indexing wheel to have straight radial lines. I considered it a success when several people at my club picked it up and thought it was a real coiled basket.

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BTW, the foot is a separate piece that is glued to the bottom.