Multi disc stacking insert cope and stick shaper cutters?

[Jared Sankovich]

I'm looking for the functionality of a 6/8 piece brazed freeborn passage door set (will be used for 1.125" cabinet doors) but preferably in a insert head.

Basically the garniga stile and rail set, but with a deeper bead and cove profile.

Does such an animal exist somewhere off the shelf, or am I looking at something custom?

[Mike Heidrick]

Freud's insert set maybe?

Garniga has other profiles.

Laguna had a chinese import one too.

[Cary Falk]

https://www.amazon.com/TREND-PROFILE-Limitors-40mm-replacing/dp/B01N9KH6NA/ref=sr_1_163?ie=UTF8&qid=1497363310&sr=8-163&keywords=cmt+profile+shaper (https://www.amazon.com/TREND-PROFILE-Limitors-40mm-replacing/dp/B01N9KH6NA/ref=sr_1_163?ie=UTF8&qid=1497363310&sr=8-163&keywords=cmt+profile+shaper)

Like this one from CMT?

[Jared Sankovich]

Freud's insert set maybe?

Garniga has other profiles.

Laguna had a chinese import one too.

Freuds are 1pc cutters with a profile knife, there is no way to shim for flat panels.

Garniga would work, but the cabinet set still wouldnt work with doors that thick (and i think i would still need assuming custom knives)

I looked at laguna's site but there is no picture, and for the price Im not confident they are stackable.

It looks like freeborn used to make a 7 piece insert set, but I only see a 3 piece version now.

[Jared Sankovich]

https://www.amazon.com/TREND-PROFILE-Limitors-40mm-replacing/dp/B01N9KH6NA/ref=sr_1_163?ie=UTF8&qid=1497363310&sr=8-163&keywords=cmt+profile+shaper (https://www.amazon.com/TREND-PROFILE-Limitors-40mm-replacing/dp/B01N9KH6NA/ref=sr_1_163?ie=UTF8&qid=1497363310&sr=8-163&keywords=cmt+profile+shaper)

Like this one from CMT?

Actually the reverse of that particular profile.

[peter gagliardi]

Rangate may offer something by Zuani. Won't be cheap, but the rabbeting cutters I have are top shelf!

[Jared Sankovich]

Rangate may offer something by Zuani. Won't be cheap, but the rabbeting cutters I have are top shelf!

Yeah, that zunai door set with all the options is right about $5k

I just noticed today amana has a similar set and appears to be sold piecemeal. The profiles do seem odd though at almost 3/4" wide.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/jar944/5747_zpsgjhxh8yg.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v695/jar944/61750-middle1-new_zpsjfinj0oz.jpg

[peter gagliardi]

When you say 5k for the zuani, I don't follow- maybe I am looking at the wrong set? Looks like the cutter set is about $1900.00. Obviously if you are buying multiple profile options, it will increase, but....
I am not a fan of aluminum bodied cutters like the Amana.

[Jared Sankovich]

When you say 5k for the zuani, I don't follow- maybe I am looking at the wrong set? Looks like the cutter set is about $1900.00. Obviously if you are buying multiple profile options, it will increase, but....
I am not a fan of aluminum bodied cutters like the Amana.
That was for the complete passage door set

[peter gagliardi]

Ok, the number I referenced was the cabinet door set that was your initial inquiry.
A passage set is a bit more involved, and pretty sure it accomodates much more thickness options.

[Jared Sankovich]

Ok, the number I referenced was the cabinet door set that was your initial inquiry.
A passage set is a bit more involved, and pretty sure it accomodates much more thickness options.

Looking at the zuani cabinet set, it maxes out at 1" thick doors. I looked at the passage door set because I need a setup capable of 1.125"+. Also the deeper passage/exterior door profile looks more at home on the thicker cabiner doors in my opinion. The only downside is the price

[Joe Calhoon]

I bought a Garniga set 15 years ago that I think goes to 1 1/4 or so. Next time I get to the shop I will get some pictures.
Garniga was bought by Record and now Record and Zuani have merged but I think they still plan to offer most Garniga products.

[Warren Lake]

the way I was taught you miter the profile. its slower but you choose any thickness door, any thickness tennon and you can center it. With this set below you have a tongue and groove joint, the tongue is thin as the profile pushes it back and there isnt much meat left, material behind it weaker as well. Its a draw back with these cutter sets in the process of accommodating the profile depth they push the time proven rules from the past aside.

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[Jared Sankovich]

the way I was taught you miter the profile. its slower but you choose any thickness door, any thickness tennon and you can center it. With this set below you have a tongue and groove joint, the tongue is thin as the profile pushes it back and there isnt much meat left, material behind it weaker as well. Its a draw back with these cutter sets in the process of accommodating the profile depth they push the time proven rules from the past aside.

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I've used jack miters if I only needed and couple doors, was matching existing work and didn't have a cope and stick set that matched. Speed wise it's not even close though.

As for the tongue and groove in the amana profile it's thinner than I would want ideally. I would expect the ability to fit a thicker (or stack) groover.

[Joe Calhoon]

Here are some pictures from the Garniga set. It is not what a mainstream cabinet shop would want. It has 4 profiles and goes from 23 to 28mm. I have done a little thinner than 22 but it starts getting thin on the back like the picture Warren shows. When we did a lot of kitchens we always made 1" thick doors. You can tenon if desired or cope and does the glass cutout. The groover for the slot is 5mm but I ordered a 6mm with the set if I ever need that size.

The only kitchen cabinets I ever true mortised were my own. I tenon any furniture I make. Kitchens are unfortunately a fashion deal and get changed out every 20 to 30 years usually. We always dowel coped rails but the mainstream way of just gluing and pinning the cope and stick will probably last the life of the kitchen.


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[Phillip Gregory]

If your profile is no more than 5/8" deep, you can simply get a blank 40 or 50 mm tall pair of knives ground for a Euroblock. Will cost you less than $20 for the knives and about $100ish for the grinding (the local saw shop quotes $70 per inch of head height).

You could also do a short corrugated head setup where you can cut about 1 1/8" deep or so with a 2" tall by 3/8" thick knife, and grinding a set is about $120-150. It's HSS and not carbide but way cheaper than a Freeborn passage door set.

[Jared Sankovich]

Here are some pictures from the Garniga set. It is not what a mainstream cabinet shop would want. It has 4 profiles and goes from 23 to 28mm. I have done a little thinner than 22 but it starts getting thin on the back like the picture Warren shows. When we did a lot of kitchens we always made 1" thick doors. You can tenon if desired or cope and does the glass cutout. The groover for the slot is 5mm but I ordered a 6mm with the set if I ever need that size.

The only kitchen cabinets I ever true mortised were my own. I tenon any furniture I make. Kitchens are unfortunately a fashion deal and get changed out every 20 to 30 years usually. We always dowel coped rails but the mainstream way of just gluing and pinning the cope and stick will probably last the life of the kitchen.


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Thanks for the information and pictures. Off hand would you happen to know the approximate major diameter of that set?

The doors I'm running right now are 1.155"/29.3mm with a bead and cove profile at .625"x.625". It leaves me a bit more than .250 on the back so I can fit a full thickness .5" flat panel with a back cut.

[Joe Calhoon]

Jared,
the zero diameter is 130mm and the overall cutter diameter is 160mm.