$10 Tool Box?

[steven c newman]

Day 2 Rust Hunt. Walked around half the day, at least until Lunch. Only thing I "picked" was an old Peerless Tool Box...$10..
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So, what was so special about this old box?


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Well there was a "Made in USA" brace, a few bits....once they were all cleaned up this evening..
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There are four larger bits from Day 1 ( but that's another story..) and the countersink came along with the tool box. 5/32" is the smallest one..
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Then there were this fine thread R. Jennings bits...1/4" and up. And there was a few coarse threaded ones , as well..
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A few Irwins...
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The one in the center? I had to remove a "washer" someone had made, by using the bit to open a beer can.
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And a brace of some sort..
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The plug cutter was a 5/8" that was stamped "Made in W Germany" They had left the cutter in the brace too long, threads in the chuck got rusty...

[steven c newman]

Oh, and Day 1 of this Birthday (Monday) Rust Hunt Weekend?
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Well there was a few hand tools...
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A prune of a saw ( picked two other saws as parts saws)
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Couple of planes ( a Great Neck "Block plane" was picked for parts)
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A cardboard box...
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Here's part of what was in the box..
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Some of the bits were a bit strange..
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Morse Taper shanks?

Along with a few odds and ends from today..
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Not too hateful of a weekend. Got so many bits for braces, I had to go back and grab two more braces....
Will be cleaning things for awhile....

[John K Jordan]

Morse Taper shanks?


Ooo, taper shank drill bits - my favorite!

JKJ

[Jim Koepke]

Ooo, taper shank drill bits - my favorite!

JKJ

If they are a Morse taper #1 they would fit in my lathe.

jtk

[Mike Baker 2]

Nice.
I hear ya on cleaning; I've got quite a few tools I need to get moving on, but you got me beat. :)

[Bill Houghton]

Well, that was a bargain.

Those carbon steel twist bits - like a jobber's bit - aren't uncommon. They always remind me how much metalwork was done with braces before 'lectric drills came along. I have a few, but not at the bargain rate you acquired yours!

[steven c newman]

Tapered shank bits are marked as a Morse. There is an "H" , a diamond with USA inside, and an "S"
Also marked as "MAJOR" and High Speed CO.

One had been turned a bit too far..maybe it needed a little extra reach?

[John K Jordan]

If they are a Morse taper #1 they would fit in my lathe.

jtk

I have drill bits in both #2 and #1 tapers. (I bought them new for $1 each in an on-line closeout.) Since my wood lathes both use #2 in the headstocks/tailstocks and the metal lathe uses #3/#2 in the headstock/tailstock, I bought some hardened steel MT adapters to use them in any of the lathes. These were cheap.

I made these pictures once to show how compact using a taper bit was compared to holding the same sized bit in a Jacob's chuck. This may increase precision by reducing deflection as allow drilling in longer pieces. This is even using an MT1 to MT2 adapter - it would be even more compact if the adapter wasn't needed.

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All else being equal, it is far quicker to switch drill sizes with the taper bits.

JKJ

[steven c newman]

These all are too big to fit my lathe....

[Steve Bates]

Your "high speed CO may indicate that it contains cobalt which helps with the cutting edge lasting longer during high heat drilling.

[steven c newman]

Ok, a few extras were found in that cardboard box from Day 1..
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Two extra long drill bits, smaller one is a 3/16". There was another brace twist drill bit, also 3/16"
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This is the third tap i've found it the two boxes....1/4" x 28 NF
That fuzzy thing?
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Rasp? Saw? Those are all very sharp, pointy teeth.
I don't think a brace can spin it fast enough to do much good, though....

SLOWLY working my way through this hoard.....I think I have an empty drill index sitting somewhere....won't be empty for too much longer.

[Jim Koepke]

This is the third tap i've found it the two boxes....1/4" x 28 NF

An odd tap, that is what Stanley used on a lot of combination planes for the wing bolts and screws.

I was a bit taken aback last week while browsing a rather new farm store to this area. They actually had some 1/4-28 bolts in stock. It is the first time I have seen them stocked anywhere and I have looked a lot.

jtk

[Don Orr]

Nice haul and Happy Birthday! If you want to get rid of those taper shank bits I'd be happy to relieve you of them.

[steven c newman]

let me clean them up first.......


As I said, I have no real use for them, none would fit the lathe I have.

[Bruce Page]

An odd tap, that is what Stanley used on a lot of combination planes for the wing bolts and screws.

I was a bit taken aback last week while browsing a rather new farm store to this area. They actually had some 1/4-28 bolts in stock. It is the first time I have seen them stocked anywhere and I have looked a lot.

jtk
Just an FYI, 1/4"-28 UNF might be uncommon in Neander circles but it is a common machine screw size. It is simply a fine thread 1/4" screw.

[Jim Koepke]

Just an FYI, 1/4"-28 UNF might be uncommon in Neander circles but it is a common machine screw size. It is simply a fine thread 1/4" screw.

It is uncommon in more than just Neander circles. I have even looked for them at more than one supplier of fasteners.

The arbitrator of this might be Dr. Google. Two searches:

> 1/4-28 bolt < brought up five hits:

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> 1/4-24 bolt < brought up 381,000 hits:

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Just for fun a search was done on the most common 1/4" bolt, the 1/4-20, it garnered 495,000 hits.

The Google search on the 1/4-28 bolt doesn't actually produce sources for the fasteners.

It is an odd duck, just like many other thread forms Stanley used over the years.

I do know some are available and used in some places. They do not appear to be commonly used.

jtk

[John K Jordan]

It is uncommon in more than just Neander circles. I have even looked for them at more than one supplier of fasteners.
...I do know some are available and used in some places. They do not appear to be commonly used.


Maybe they are outlawed on your end of the country! :) Home Depot carries them here. So does the local hardware store. I keep 1/4-28 bolts and set screws at hand when I need more control of the force or when I want more threads in a thinner piece of metal.

I have more trouble with 5/16" threads - none of my sets of taps includes a 5/16-24 which I would rather use for set screws. Ack, I'm going to have to break down and buy a tap!

JKJ

[Bruce Page]

Jim, as a machinist I have drilled & tapped hundreds of 1/4-28 UNF holes. They are commonly used in aerospace where they add additional strength in soft metal applications.
Google "tap & drill chart" on Google Images and you'll see it listed on almost every chart. You won't see 1/4-24 very often. I have never drilled & tapped a 1/4-24 hole.

Ps, Google 1/4-28 screw; "About 5,590,000 results (0.36 seconds)"

[Bill Houghton]

An odd tap, that is what Stanley used on a lot of combination planes for the wing bolts and screws.

I was a bit taken aback last week while browsing a rather new farm store to this area. They actually had some 1/4-28 bolts in stock. It is the first time I have seen them stocked anywhere and I have looked a lot.

jtk

Try your local Ace hardware store. Mine has them. The choice isn't great, but there are some.

And, yes, I'm with others: it's a standard National Fine thread pitch.

[Jim Koepke]

Maybe they are outlawed on your end of the country! Home Depot carries them here.

Maybe it is a north coast thing.

I know it is listed as a standard thread. BTW, one of my taps is a 1/4-28.

jtk

[steven c newman]

The question now is..
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What does this thing do?
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Those are all very sharp, and pointy teeth.
Rasp? Or, a saw?

[steven c newman]

Another part of this haul, was a pair of saws..
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This one had a decent handle...wrong hardware. It was also bent in the plate,,, badly bent. Was beyond saving. I had an older Disston No. 7 that had the wrong brass hardware.....Traded out those for the hardware in the junker saws.
The other saw had handle "issues..
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Warranted Superior medallion, brass bolts....tossed the handle....was checking the plate....not even a hint of any bends. Saved the handle from the other saw, and made a decent WS crosscut saw out of it. Badly bent plate? Tossed it out. Wasn't in the "mood" to keep the junky stuff.
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Someone had gone to the trouble to add a riveted rod through the broken handle....meh. $1 each for these two saws, mainly for the hardware....wound up with a user saw in the process.
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Have another Village-wide sale coming up this weekend....maybe my luck will be better?

[steven c newman]

Those tapered drill bits are all cleaned up. Morse taper. Smallest one is in 16ths, the others are in 32nds and 64ths.

Have a 1/2 drill bit, that someone had turned the shank down to 1/4"....

Have two LARGE, straight shanked ( no taper) bits marked as "FORD" in script. Both are marked with an USAC. One ( smaller of the two) has the number 5468, the larger one has a 546. Both MAY be the same size.
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Also found and cleaned up a small center punch.

Can't have all these bits without the punch.

Just slowly cleaning my way through this mess. Have some in a drill index at the moment, as well. Not sure what to do with the Ford drill bits....

[steven c newman]

Might be from a Ford plant...USAC is United States Auto Club. Not sure how these got into the fellow's tool box....

[steven c newman]

The "other" brace?
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10" sweep, barber chuck. Ratchet and chuck work great.
Parts saws? threw out the bad stuff, reuse the good
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Three more items followed me home today...
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Someone had cut a 12" ruler in half...
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Works for me..
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Already had a wider version of this 3/4" chisel in the shop...
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And a "mutt". Other than the knob, the rest is steel. Spent $3 today...at one sale. Maybe have better luck tomorrow....if it doesn't rain.

[steven c newman]

Saw has been shortened by 4" to make it a Panel saw..
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Hope I got the toe shaped correctly..
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Saw is now hanging on the side of the til, alongside the "Cleveland" saw.
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What I spent $3 on, on Saturday. North Brothers No. 35, with 6 patent dates...$1 Turned my nose up at two very pitted Froes....$35 for the smaller one. Didn't see much else I needed at the sales.
( we did score a solid wood framed Futon with mattresses. for $35)

Not too hateful a week?

[steven c newman]

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Last July, I found this at a garage sale....I think it was also $10
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This one was full, though..
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More I dug down, the more toys I found...
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Not all was for woodworking.....but there was enough that was.

IF you happen to see a tool box sitting around on a rust hunt, pick it up...if it has a load inside, ask how much. Never know what they just threw in a box.
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Screwdrivers that look a lot like Stanleys..
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Or maybe a few of these? Never know.......

[Jim Koepke]

I wonder if some collector would make you a nice profit on the old Snap On ratchet.

One little known item about Snap On tools. During WW II tools made for government contracts had a G preceding the model number. These are not covered by the Snap On guarantee. This was because the price to fulfill the bid/contract was too low to cover their usual warrantee.

jtk

[steven c newman]

I went and check that ratchet just now....Model No. F-70
Has "patent applied for" on one side of the handle
other side has Snap-on KENOSHA, WIS.

3/8" drive.

Might be a good one...

[Jim Koepke]

I went and check that ratchet just now....Model No. F-70
Has "patent applied for" on one side of the handle
other side has Snap-on KENOSHA, WIS.

3/8" drive.

Might be a good one...

I had a 1/4" drive with a ratchet that would occasionally slip. The Snap On guy who serviced the shop where I worked didn't want to replace it since it was no longer produced. Usually they just replace the inner works. When the wife and I were out in the area of the Snap On warehouse I took it in and the person there was willing to replace it with a newer ratchet.

Keeping it your own kit might be more rewarding over the years than what you might get by selling it.

jtk

[steven c newman]

Saw has been given a test run today..
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Saw is quite sharp, actually. Cuts fast, and straight. Unless the operator gets in the way...
Seems easy enough to start.

[steven c newman]

For those nearby....DeGraff, Oh is having their village-wide sale this coming weekend........you have been warned

[steven c newman]

Day #1
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Sign on the tub said "Make offer...." $4.....then added a needle-nosed Visegrips ($1) and a Carpenter's Pinchers/nail pliers (also a $1..) Needed both hands to carry the loot... More sales Saturday....Maybe some of Friday.
Already have the pliers cleaned up. There was an Apex 19mm Wobble Impact socket in the tub, along with a set of "Laser Etched" sockets..
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4 ratchets, 6 diagonal pliers, a fancy flashlight, small crescent wrench, 2 long-nosed pliers, Junk tape measure, old chalk box, couple of other socket sets, and a couple fancy wrenches. He did have a table full of other Mechanic's tools....
We'll see what the next two days bring in. I turned down a $10 D handled 1/2" drill.....already have one.

Gotta love that opening moment feeding frenzy at 0800.....somedays, you need a Flak vest....and steel-toed boots.