Atoma 400 versus DMT

[Mark R Webster]

For those of you who have been fortunate enough to have tried both the Atoma 400 and DMT 120 lapping plates, have you found one outlasts the other? I have gone through 2 DMTs in 3 years and recently purchased an Atoma, just wondering what I might expect in terms of longevity.
Thanks

[Brian Holcombe]

Are you using these for flattening stones or for sharpening?

[Mark R Webster]

Flattening Shapton stones :)

[Bill Dindner]

Flattening Shapton stones :)

Wow, that's allot of wear and tear, you must do a ton of sharpening.

Which Shaptons are you using, have they held up?

[Mark R Webster]

Yea, I have rehabbed about 100 Baileys in the last 6 months. I was using 1000, 5000, and 8000 (pros). However my 1000 was down to about 1/8 inch thick and ....due to availability issues, I recently purchased a glass 2000. The 5000 and 8000 are still pretty thick. After talking to Shapton USA I also recently picked up an extra thick 500 for final flattening. As an aside.... to maximize the 1000 pro. I had a piece of 1/4 glass cut to size and siliconed it to the stone. Should keep it from flexing and make it last a bit longer.

[David Eisenhauer]

I have seen advise to use the Atoma 400 for stone flattening only and not to use it for metal removal at all if the Atoma is to be a dedicated stone flattener.

[Brian Holcombe]

The Atoma is my preference, having used both.

[Allen Jordan]

How flat are the atomas? I have a trend diamond stone and it has a > 0.002" depression in the center.

[Mark R Webster]

Initially it "seems" like the Atoma actually removes material faster than the DMTs in spite the 400 versus 120 labels. (May be my imagination... I don't have a young DMT to compare to at this point). If so, maybe the surface design is related. The Atoma has a geometrical pattern as opposed to the DMT which appears random??? Each DMT declined over about 2 years at which point it took forever to flatten the stones and 120 wet dry on a flat was much faster. Keep in mind, in addition to the typical hobbyist woodworking sharpening for my own planes and chisels, (in my rehabbing activities) I have flattened/polished and sharpened a ton of "irons" in pretty rough condition. So the stones have seen their share of flattening and the DMTs got a workout
David, flattening is all I use the plates for.
Thanks

[Mark R Webster]

Sorry Allen I haven't tried to measure the flatness at this point since I am getting good results. How did you measure the flatness... granite flat and feeler gauges?

[Kenneth Lawrence]

Mark,
Have you considered the DiaFlat lapping plate? I've used this for lapping only, for over 2 years. I'm not sharpening a large number of irons constantly; however, I have a couple of dozen edge tools that require attention regularly. It's getting worn down but still is reliable but takes more time to flatten coarser stones. It costs 2x more than the Atoma.
Kenneth
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[Mark R Webster]

Hi Kenneth, the DMT DiaFlat lapping plate is what I was using before the Atoma. They lasted about 2 years each, with my activity.

[Dave Parkis]

I've been using an Atoma 400 fro several years now with no issues. They are currently pretty reasonably priced as well. Last time I checked they were $44.01 plus $1.99 shipping.

[Mark R Webster]

Hi Dave I paid a bit more for mine. $1.99 shipping.... was that a mis type. There seems to be quite a range of prices for an "Atoma 400" with a Google search. Anyone know if there are different levels of quality? Like an economy line versus a standard line?

[Ben Rivel]

Bumping this because I am looking to get a lapping stone for Shapton Pro stones (grits 1000, 4000 and 8000) that will be used to sharpen planes and chisels.

These days the DMT Dia-Flat 120 is around $200 which I cant figure out how is justified. Where as the Atoma 400 can had for under $70. I have also read that for grits higher than 1000 the DMT 120 leaves a bit of a harsh finish after flattening, whereas the Atoma 400 being 400 grit is better suited for the job.

Anyone know a good reason to go with the DMT Dia-Flat 120 these days over the Atoma 400?

[Jessica de Boer]

Not too long ago I discovered a diamond plate that's better than DMT or the regular Atoma. The brand name on the label is Ken-syou but I'm fairly sure Tsuboman made it because the diamonds are arranged in exactly the same manner as the Atoma plates. It's quite a bit faster and the channels make sure the stone material is easily washed away. This plate is made specifically to flatten stones and it's available in 400 and 600 grit.

http://noborihamono.com/kensyodiamond-4.JPG

[Brian Holcombe]

Awesome! Thanks for the tip.

[Jason Lester]

Not too long ago I discovered a diamond plate that's better than DMT or the regular Atoma. The brand name on the label is Ken-syou but I'm fairly sure Tsuboman made it because the diamonds are arranged in exactly the same manner as the Atoma plates. It's quite a bit faster and the channels make sure the stone material is easily washed away. This plate is made specifically to flatten stones and it's available in 400 and 600 grit.

http://noborihamono.com/kensyodiamond-4.JPG

I'm not finding anything when I search. Any hints on where it can be purchased?

[Chris Parks]

I have a love/hate relationship with my Atoma plate and that looks like it takes all the hate out of the job, can you put up a link where I can buy one? An advantage of the Atoma is the diamond plate can be renewed as it is held on with double sided tape. Stu did a video of how this is done some years ago

[John Schtrumpf]

I'm not finding anything when I search. Any hints on where it can be purchased?
I don't know if I can post a link. But you could go to the watermarked site in the picture, in the left margin is a link for artificial stones ( 人造砥石 ), if you scroll down through the stones until you see the flashing NEW! sign. :)

[Patrick Walsh]

Prefer Atoma

[Chris Parks]

Prefer Atoma

The way the Atoma and similar solid surface plates stick during flattening drives me mad.

John S. sorry but I can't follow your instructions, mods can John post a link to a product?

[Ben Rivel]

Yea those Ken-syou plates dont seem like they can be bought in the US. Least not that I can find.

[Mike Manning]

The way the Atoma and similar solid surface plates stick during flattening drives me mad.

John S. sorry but I can't follow your instructions, mods can John post a link to a product?

Chris,
Can you expound further on what you mean with the Atoma plates sticking during flattening?

Thanks.

[Chris Parks]

The water sort of sucks the plate and stone together, it is not unique to Atoma, all solid surface plates do it which is why some are segmented.

[Brian Holcombe]

Nanohone fixes the issue as well.

[Ben Rivel]

Nanohone fixes the issue as well.
Need some education here, what is Nanohone?

[Tony Wilkins]

Need some education here, what is Nanohone?
I wondered to. Sharpening times 10 to the -9th?

[Stewie Simpson]

Need some education here, what is Nanohone?

https://nanohone.com/collections/lapping-plates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a_SAoEV4NU (https://nanohone.com/collections/lapping-plates)

[Andrew Hughes]

The Nano hone looks good. I saw one today at the woodcraft store near me. Hap is a great guy I’ve bought lots stuff from him in the past. Chisels, stones,etc.
Thumbs up:)

[Brian Holcombe]

If I’m not mistaken it is Harrelson Stanley’s project. I’ve seen the honed but haven’t used one, they seem very nicely made to me.

[Ben Rivel]

https://nanohone.com/collections/lapping-plates

(https://nanohone.com/collections/lapping-plates)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a_SAoEV4NU


Ah I see. Well with those now we are back up to $200+ lapping plates and Im just not interested in paying that much.

[Chris Parks]

Ah I see. Well with those now we are back up to $200+ lapping plates and Im just not interested in paying that much.


Likewise, for my purposes it is unnecessary but others may feel the need.