NEW Rockler Miter Fold Dado

[Raymond Seward]

http://www.rockler.com/rockler-miter-fold-dado-set?sid=WC685&utm_source=woodmag&utm_medium=digad&utm_campaign=WC685

Has ayone seen this? Looks like a neat, albeit pricey, consideration....

[Van Huskey]

The inventor has had videos out for a couple of years but outside that I suppose not many will have seen one in person.

I think for the right person it would be very useful. For me I doubt it would be worth the money at half the price. You need to make a lot of drawers that you don't care about traditional or decorative joinery on to "cover the cost".

[Ben Rivel]

Yep. Seems like an expensive one trick pony to me and only for people batching out drawers made of plywood. The other thing I wonder is who will and how much will it be to sharpen this thing.

[Adam Merritt]

I thought it was a pretty cool concept when I saw it on Rockler's site a few weeks ago. It doubles as a standard dado set as well; you just don't put the third blade on the outside. If you are in the market for a new dado set and a locking miter bit, then I would take a look at this, but otherwise, it may not be the best value. I was looking for a dado set, but had the opportunity to buy a new Royce-Ayr set at half price and couldn't pass it up. All in all, it's another cool ideal I wish I would have thought of!

[Roger Feeley]

I've seen this type of blade for years in the plastics industry. It's an easy way to fabricate a lexan box.

[George Bokros]

Infinity Cutting Tools has a router bit set that does basically the same thing except you don't fold the stock. You get the same glue area but you don't fold the stock. It is at a substantially lower cost also.

[Victor Robinson]

I remember the inventor sharing the idea either on this forum or maybe one of the others a few years back. It was a unique idea and while the market may be slim, kudos to him for getting it all the way from idea to the marketplace.

[Paul K. Johnson]

I saw videos from the creator a year or so ago. I think he had a GoFundMe or something. Looks like a cool idea. I wonder how hard it is to set up. Seems you have to get pretty close to cutting all the way through where if you just pushed a little too hard down while you were feeding wood through the saw you might cut through the face. I think it would also be a problem is your board wasn't dead flat. I like the idea though.

My brother gave me some of the best advice I've ever gotten when I bought a new car for the first time and it had a lot of problems. He told me never ever buy the first model year. Let other people find the problems so the manufacturer can fix them and then buy it.

Seems to apply to everything.

[Paul K. Johnson]

Yep. Seems like an expensive one trick pony to me and only for people batching out drawers made of plywood. The other thing I wonder is who will and how much will it be to sharpen this thing.

I'd think Dynamic Saw could do it. They advertise that their machines "read" the blade and set themselves up.

[Frederick Skelly]

It's clever. But I can't see myself wanting to spend $350 on it.

[Raymond Seward]

I'm seeing boxes and not just drawers. The sharpening cost would be something to look at too....good point. And I wonder if it would pass muster with SawStop?

[chase standifer]

It will not work with sawstop. As I understand it the large blade is slightly oversized and will not safely clear the brake.

[Ben Rivel]

Oh yea, definitely not going to be compatible with any SawStop saw.

[Charles Lent]

I saw videos from the creator a year or so ago. I think he had a GoFundMe or something. Looks like a cool idea. I wonder how hard it is to set up. Seems you have to get pretty close to cutting all the way through where if you just pushed a little too hard down while you were feeding wood through the saw you might cut through the face. I think it would also be a problem is your board wasn't dead flat. I like the idea though.

My brother gave me some of the best advice I've ever gotten when I bought a new car for the first time and it had a lot of problems. He told me never ever buy the first model year. Let other people find the problems so the manufacturer can fix them and then buy it.

Seems to apply to everything.

I agree with Paul on the setup difficulty, and the need for exact thickness material. I make a lot of boxes, but I'm not investing in this, at least not until others have paid the high price and done some reviews on it. For now, I'll be sticking with the more traditional methods.

Charley

[Adam Merritt]

It will not work with sawstop. As I understand it the large blade is slightly oversized and will not safely clear the brake.
Good observation. I had wandered why it was listed as not compatible with Sawstop or any other "Flesh-detection technology". I was curious if it could be run in bypass mode if you just really wanted to use the blade and give up the protection, but if the brake is in the way, that would be an issue. I know the brake distance is adjustable, but thinking it through, if the one blade is slightly taller, I could see the brake twisting upon impact from the uneven cutting heights, or not causing a full stop if it is unable to engage all of the blades within the dado set. I don't have this blade set and don't plan to buy it, but I like to think through the possibilities.

[Teo Cafengiu]

Any new reports now that this product is on the market? I would like to get this setup but the various demos at several Rockler stores were not very good. I would like to know of any who took delivery and made this work for them. Thanks.

[Dave Sabo]

While I find this quite clever, I think it's a solution in search of a problem.

How many of you guys are making boxes out of fine veneered plywood ?

And using this for drawer boxes ? Not if you want to use undermount slides - the most popular type for high end cabinets.

[Martin Wasner]

And using this for drawer boxes ? Not if you want to use undermount slides - the most popular type for high end cabinets.

Bingo.

But. If you are doing a "cheap" option for drawers, you're better off cutting them on a cnc if you're in the pursuit of profit. That's assuming you have a cnc.

[Dave Sabo]

Bingo.

But. If you are doing a "cheap" option for drawers, you're better off cutting them on a cnc if you're in the pursuit of profit. That's assuming you have a cnc.

I think if you'll run the numbers - the "cheapest" option would be to outsource the drawers parts to a specialist co. You assemble them, and there's no inventory to keep track of.

[Teo Cafengiu]

I had assumed that by now lots of woodworkers had perhaps gotten one because they had a lengthy pre-order window, especially given the wide interest in the product when it was first announced, although it was quite a while back. So that's why I was hoping for a response from actual users. Regarding these last few responses: I think you can also use this with hardwoods, not just the veneer ply example in the video. You can also multiple cut the grooves the other way and make a more traditional drawer with a thin bottom set in a groove. My own intention is to be able to make a batch of stands and/or wall panels.

So, my question still is: Can one use this blade to do so easily, repeatably and consistently? Not just a one-each where you have to mess around endlessly with setup for undercut, overcut, differences in thickness even across a single sheet of ply, wood splintering from the fold, blade accuracy in rip cuts and crosscuts alike etc, etc

I have other ways like the lock miter bit for the router table, etc, but as this is a potential option, I wanted to know it someone in this "vast hoarde of sawdust creators" has gone and done a batch of these boxes one after the other without significant problems.

[Nick Decker]

That lengthy preorder was probably Rockler saying, "Let's see how many people will shell out this kind of money before we order the first run of these things."

I have no idea how much set up would be involved for each project, but I do know that most of the plywood around here (big box) is pretty inconsistent.

[Martin Wasner]

I think if you'll run the numbers - the "cheapest" option would be to outsource the drawers parts to a specialist co. You assemble them, and there's no inventory to keep track of.


This is true.

[Teo Cafengiu]

i suppose you could argue that the cheapest option is to go to ikea and forget buying your own woodworking machines altogether. just being funny by extending the logic to absurd levels...
actually i looked in on this thread again today and wanted to bump it up to the top again since i'm still looking for those who may have bought this blade and used it like i've mentioned above. this thing really did get a huge amount of interest on youtube and elsewhere way back when it was first announced, so very curious if it turned out to be fast, easy, repeatable, consistent, easy to sharpen, easy to make batches of boxes, etc

[Raymond Seward]

Just received the latest WWJ Mag.....they have plans in it for an "Odds & Ends" Cabinet (for the shop). using.....guess what....the Miter Fold Blade... had to chuckle a bit :-)

[Stan Calow]

I've been wondering if you could make the same type of cuts with a router using a straight bit and a very small v-bit. It would take some trying to get the geometry right, but could that work?

[Teo Cafengiu]

I've been wondering if you could make the same type of cuts with a router using a straight bit and a very small v-bit. It would take some trying to get the geometry right, but could that work?

yes of course it would work, but you would really have to work to set up each part of the cut very accurately in relation to the other subsequent cuts--i suspect lots of time and fuss. much easier to get a lock miter router bit if you're going that way.

[Teo Cafengiu]

Just received the latest WWJ Mag.....they have plans in it for an "Odds & Ends" Cabinet (for the shop). using.....guess what....the Miter Fold Blade... had to chuckle a bit :-)

That's terrific--very interested to hear about your results and the ease of your setup!

[Raymond Seward]

That's terrific--very interested to hear about your results and the ease of your setup!

Won't be building this..... won't be buying the blade either. I have a SawStop. I just thought some of you might get a charge out of Rockler's "plug" of the blade in their mag. :-)

[Dave Sabo]

I think I've asked this , but no replies so far :

How many of you guys actually make 1/2 boxes out of nice veneer plywood ?

-and- make enough of them to warrant getting this thing ?

[Randy Heinemann]

Couple things -

I believe the Miter Fold blade can be used with both hardwood and plywood. In fact, doing a search online there is at least one video out demonstrating the same concept with a simple miter cut on the joints rather than the Miter Fold cut, so I'm sure that the boxes can be made with hardwood also. The remaining "skin" would stretch when folded with hardwood as well as the same thickness of veneer.

While I am not actually interested in buying the Miter Fold since I would not build drawers nor boxes with that type of joint, I am still interested in the final glued up result. I've seen videos on line that show the whole cut process but nothing that shows a close-up of the corner and bottom edge joints after glue up. To date, I've seen 1 demo and the result of another demo that wouldn't give me the desired result.

I assume the reason that no one has responded to the question earlier in this thread is because no one posting has the blade. I'm just interested in the developer being successful because he spent a lot of time and effort developing a unique idea.

[Dave Sabo]

I read, or saw on the internet is not exactly confirmation in my book. I'm guessing that most solid woods will not be able to be folded. If the skin breaks and you have to manipulate five pieces at once the value is lost. The inventor/manuf. videos don't push this use either.

[Teo Cafengiu]

I read, or saw on the internet is not exactly confirmation in my book. I'm guessing that most solid woods will not be able to be folded. If the skin breaks and you have to manipulate five pieces at once the value is lost. The inventor/manuf. videos don't push this use either.

Not sure I follow your reasoning/comments. If you v-cut a piece of hardwood deep enough then there is no difference between that and the veneer on top of ply as far as folding is concerned. I think the difficulty has more to do with cutting with the grain or across. You can also cut all the way through, but you don't have 5 pieces to manipulate, because you would have taped on the opposite side first, so the tape serves as the hinge if you've been very precise.
The inventor also has a video out called "miter fold box" in which he inlays hardwood to coincide with the folds and that is what ultimately gets bent.
As far as potential uses for these type of boxes: Art panels, also sometimes called cradled panels. Signage panels. Pedestals, display stands. Torsion boxes for fixtures. These are all things I wish to make in a fast, efficient, repeatable way, but I have yet to see someone who has this blade and has done a batch at once.