Delta DJ-20 vs Grizzly 490x

[Michael Rector]

I'm currently hunting for my first jointer and am going back and forth between a number of different choices all in the 8" size.

I'm pretty sure I want a helical head simply for noise if not for a slightly cleaner cut, but other than that I'm waffling a lot.

That being said I've read all about the DJ-20 jointer as sort of being the holy grail of the 8" jointers, but that the Grizzly 490x is a modern clone.

A DJ-20 showed up on Craigslist today, 20 years old with straight knives with an asking price of $925. If I add a shelix head to it I'm now sitting at $1400 or so which is the price
of a 490x new.

At what price point is the DJ-20 worth it? Is there really value to a 20year old machine over a brand new one, or is it really about finding this type of jointer at the best price point possible. Under what circumstances would someone pick the DJ-20 over a 490x?

[Marc Burt]

Too rich for my blood, I'd go new at that price.

[Brian Tymchak]

Too rich for my blood, I'd go new at that price.

+1. And with the tragic legacy wrt customer service and parts availability that is Delta these days, I'd go Grizzly in this case in a heart beat.

[Chris Hachet]

A third vote for Grizzly. I passed on a DJ 20 at 600...At some point new and delivered to your door is worth something.

[Cary Falk]

A +1000000 to everything above. Go with Grizzly at that price. I have a Shop Fox 1741 which is the same as the DJ20 and G0490. I put a byrd head in it and couldn't be happier.

[Patrick Curry]

I've had the 490x for maybe 3-4 years now and have been very happy with it. It's a straight forward if not simple design that hasn't changed much over the years because it works just fine.

This is one of those machines where I wouldn't pay more for the same design with a different color of paint. Good parts, good manufacturing...good enough.

[Brian Henderson]

I'd have to say go with the Grizzly too. The problem with buying anything Delta these days is the lack of parts. If anything goes wrong, you're mostly out of luck. I'd rather pay more for not only a new machine, but for one that I know will have customer support for years to come.

[Michael Rector]

Thank you everyone! I was wondering if the DJ-20 was lubricated with unicorn's blood considering how many people look for them :)

[Mike Kees]

I would not pay the same for a used DJ_20 as a new Grizzly either,however I would not be nearly so concerned about "availability of parts" with used Delta stuff. If you find any used jointer that has all castings intact, and flat tables and fence that is all you really need. Belts ,bearings and electrical switches can all be replaced easily from multitudes of sources. Mike.

[Bill Space]

Not sure if the delta DJ20 has a built in mobile base like the Grizzly G490X.

I really like the ability to move the G409x when I need to. Mine is parked next to my table saw, and occasionally it is in the way, but moving it is a non issue, it is so easy with the built in wheels.

Another straw in favor of the G409x possibly... :)

Bill

[Van Huskey]

The problem is that DJ-20 is overpriced. You can get a lot more jointer used for $1,000, that's getting into the old iron 12" range.

[Chris Hachet]

The problem is that DJ-20 is overpriced. You can get a lot more jointer used for $1,000, that's getting into the old iron 12" range.Sadly around here in central Ohio people seem to think a rusty 30 year old Delta is worth 900 if it runs and is an 8 inch machine.

[Van Huskey]

Sadly around here in central Ohio people seem to think a rusty 30 year old Delta is worth 900 if it runs and is an 8 inch machine.

Hobby sized machines are often the most overpriced and honestly they tend to sell at a premium to much better quality industrial machines. I watched an auction last month where a Grizzly 17" bandsaw sold for more than an Oliver 217 30" bandsaw (in very good condition) which on the face is ludicrous. However, hobbyists really are the buyers for traditional woodworking machines today, most of industry has moved to CNC and for a hobbyists they have familiarity with Delta, Grizzly and Powermatic and either don't have the room, don't want to deal with the logistics, are confused about 3ph or simply are concerned about parts and condition of 40+ year old machines. I get it, I fall somewhere in the middle and often lean to the I want it NOW vs patiently waiting for that perfect machine. Me personally I would much rather have a PM60 but one in good shape should be around $550-650 and that may mean a buyer has to be a little patient and be willing to drive a little bit to get a reasonable price on a good machine. That said the recent sales prices for excellent examples of DJ20s seem to be in the low $700 range. In the end the Delta legacy may be a little too polished since there weren't a made in the US Delta, the PM60 on the other hand is very well built but honestly lightweight jointers like the Delta and Powermatic aren't the serious step up that some of the heavy eight 8" jointers were. The only issue with the Grizzly currently is the availability issues that seemed to have plagued their smaller jointers and planers over the last few months.

[David Kumm]

What Van said. The DJ20 was a decent got the job done machine but only average by machine standards. Mine was made in Taiwan and tables and lips were within about .006-.008. Cast iron was medium fine but not like what you find on the old stuff. My 12",16" and 24" jointers all are more flat- within about .002-.004 which is significant given the additional surface area. Having said that, I'd take a jointer I could check the table on personally over one ordered sight unseen. I have no faith that todays jointers use a better grade of cast iron, are as heavily ribbed, and ground to a degree of flat better than the old DJ 20. The advantage of a 20 year old jointer is that the tables aren't likely to move anymore. Price might be a little high. If tables were flat to less than .005 I'd feel the price reasonable. I haven't looked at mine but if it has a US Marathon motor that is preferable and worth considering. The parallelogram design is better than a wedge unless the wedges are separate from the table. Then a wedge is superior. Head is least important in my world so not a deal breaker. Tables are. Dave

[Chris Hachet]

Hobby sized machines are often the most overpriced and honestly they tend to sell at a premium to much better quality industrial machines. I watched an auction last month where a Grizzly 17" bandsaw sold for more than an Oliver 217 30" bandsaw (in very good condition) which on the face is ludicrous. However, hobbyists really are the buyers for traditional woodworking machines today, most of industry has moved to CNC and for a hobbyists they have familiarity with Delta, Grizzly and Powermatic and either don't have the room, don't want to deal with the logistics, are confused about 3ph or simply are concerned about parts and condition of 40+ year old machines. I get it, I fall somewhere in the middle and often lean to the I want it NOW vs patiently waiting for that perfect machine. Me personally I would much rather have a PM60 but one in good shape should be around $550-650 and that may mean a buyer has to be a little patient and be willing to drive a little bit to get a reasonable price on a good machine. That said the recent sales prices for excellent examples of DJ20s seem to be in the low $700 range. In the end the Delta legacy may be a little too polished since there weren't a made in the US Delta, the PM60 on the other hand is very well built but honestly lightweight jointers like the Delta and Powermatic aren't the serious step up that some of the heavy eight 8" jointers were. The only issue with the Grizzly currently is the availability issues that seemed to have plagued their smaller jointers and planers over the last few months.An awful lot of hobbyist would rather make sawdust than restore old Iron. I get that. I have been wanting a PM 60 for two years, cheapest I have seen one go was 750 and it sold before I could call on it. Some things like radial arm saw and scroll saws sell cheaply, lathes are not hard to find, but decent jointers at a decent price are not common on the used market.

[Van Huskey]

An awful lot of hobbyist would rather make sawdust than restore old Iron. I get that. I have been wanting a PM 60 for two years, cheapest I have seen one go was 750 and it sold before I could call on it. Some things like radial arm saw and scroll saws sell cheaply, lathes are not hard to find, but decent jointers at a decent price are not common on the used market.

BTW there is a nice looking evergreen PM 60 on Woodweb for $625 IIRC it is somewhere in Virginia.

[Chris Hachet]

BTW there is a nice looking evergreen PM 60 on Woodweb for $625 IIRC it is somewhere in Virginia.

Cheapest I have seen one, I will have to check it out.

Edited to add--3 phase machine. I would probably buy that as I prefer 3 phase machines but most people are uncomfortable wiring a VFD. But a nice Jointer.

Still for the average hobbyist, this would still be more expensive than the Grizzly 8 inch jointer once you add in a VFD, a box for the VFD, and transportation to and from Virginia. You have to want a vintage powermatic to own this machine.

[Michael Stockdale]

I missed out on a DJ-20 for $600 by just a few hours this weekend... It popped up on Craigslist on Thursday afternoon... My plan was to buy it on Saturday. Guess I should have taken a vacation day. :(

[Chris Hachet]

I missed out on a DJ-20 for $600 by just a few hours this weekend... It popped up on Craigslist on Thursday afternoon... My plan was to buy it on Saturday. Guess I should have taken a vacation day. :(The Grizzly 0490 is about a grand with straight knives. Anything that is 8 inches and single phase seems to go very very quickly in terms of jointers. Even at $600 I would be tempted to buy the newer jointer.

Not sure why woodworking equipment is selling so fast on Craigslist, but ti is a good sign that people are making lots of sawdust in garages and basements. I would rather see people using the stuff than have an abundant market for cheap machines.

[Eric Commarato]

The DJ-20 was made in Brazil under Delta's collaboration with Invicta. I think Invicta is still in business, Delta...well not really anymore. Pretty well made machines. I have the smaller 6" DJ-15 for about 25 years and wouldn't trade it. I use it for small stuff and use my Oliver 144 BD for most jointing operations. That said, $925 seems high to me. That jointer should being 20 years old should go for about $500-600 in excellent shape. Can't speak to Grizzly as I don't own any of their machinery, however, that said I do know that most is outsourced overseas, but then so is the Invicta DJ-15. Pick your poison.

[Rick Potter]

The best thing about my DJ20 is the parallelogram tables, using handles rather than hand wheels. I quite often change table height up and down cleaning up rough edges, and it is really convenient. I know Grizzly makes some of this type. Whichever brand I was looking for, that would me a must for me. Hobbyist.

[David Kumm]

Delta went first to Brazil to outsource, then to Taiwan, finally to China. With all the moves, the last ones were often better than the first ones but each move was a step down, not a lateral move. The 1990s machines will likely be Taiwan. Dave

[ken carroll]

There's a dj20 on San Francisco bay area C.L. right now for $580. Looks in great condition.

[Chris Hachet]

There's a dj20 on San Francisco bay area C.L. right now for $580. Looks in great condition.Tools seem to be cheaper in California for some reason. $580 is very fair...

[Brian Henderson]

Tools seem to be cheaper in California for some reason. $580 is very fair...

Usually, there are few tools to be had in California because there is very little demand. While I'm not looking for any tools, when I have paid attention to Craigslist in the past, I just gave up because there have been few, if any tools listed and the few that ever show up are bad quality. Woodworking just doesn't seem to be much of a thing out here.

[Mike Delyster]

I have less than $900 into this 12" General, that doesn't include my time.
356008

[Chris Hachet]

I have less than $900 into this 12" General, that doesn't include my time.
356008 Extremely impressive.

[Patrick Irish]

Used prices of Jointers is so fun to watch.

Seen two Grizzly G1018 8" for sale last few weeks. $300-$400 range. Tempting. One can't power on. Then another pops up for $700.

Couple DJ20s in the $500-$700 range too.

I may offer $375 for a DJ20 and see if I get lucky.

[Mike Delyster]

Extremely impressive.

Thank you Chris,
I did a rebuild thread over on the Canadian Woodworking Forum "General 280 Jointer".