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Derek Cohen
02-20-2017, 12:30 AM
I heard today that Steve LaMantia had passed away. He was the one who came up with "Scary Sharp" back in 1995, writing on the Old Tools forum.

A man of great humour. I have posted a copy of his original post below for all to enjoy. This is taken from my website: http://www.inthewoodshop.com/WoodworkTechniques/ScarySharp.html

Regards from Perth

Derek

p.s. Early on, long before forums became common, there was Rec.Woodworking and the Old Tools Porch.


The D&S Scary Sharp(TM) System

[No, you can't sharpen sandpaper. And please don't ask me how I know that.]

[Required warnings:]

[If you don't like sharpening tales, or sandpaper, or handplanes, or any deviation from simple declarative sentences, please don't read this post. Also, it's a process gloat, and it's windbaggy, so be forewarned.]

[And if you prefer one-clause synopses, here: "I sharpened a plane blade with sandpaper." Now move along now.]
For anyone else:

I recently emailed a few folks about some attempts I made at sharpening a plane iron with sandpaper. Some suggested I post my story to the group.

So here it is.

(Rich and David, I've pretty much rehashed my email to you guys here, so you can move on out now, too.)

Let's see. Who's left? Oh.

Dear Mom,

I've recently been experimenting with using sandpaper for honing. I had been getting tired out with the oilstones getting unflat and glazed and needing to be lapped all the time, tired of oil all over the place and on my hands so I couldn't even scratch, tired of having to clean the stones after each use, tired of having to keep a conscious effort going to distribute wear on the stones evenly. So tired of all of this.

So I started thinking about abrasives and abrasive action in general, and read up a bit, and asked around, and found out that there's nothing different, in principle, between sandpaper and an oilstone. Silicon carbide sandpaper (i.e., wet-or-dry) goes up to 600 grit in the hardware and woodworking stores, but up to 2000 grit in the automotive finishing stores, as I learned from David Opincarne, a local rec.woodworker and admitted metalhead who works right here at the school and who sent me some 1200-and 2000-grit samples and who's recently been helping me greatly to understand the secrets of metal. For example, did you know that to produce high-carbon steel, crushed bone from the skull of an infidel is an excellent carburizing agent? Me, neither. Or that hardening the steel in cutting blades is achieved by the sudden and even cooling of the blade, and that the best known way to achieve these dual goals is to quench the blade in the still-living body of an enemy warrior? Same here; I had no idea. David's been teaching me a lot.

Me and him and some other wreck.the.woodwork folks had been talking lately about this abrasive business, and it got onto sandpaper somehow, and so I decided to test something out. For the sharpening-with-sandpaper experiment, I used a slightly-pitted 2" wide jack plane blade that came with an old beat-up Stanley Bedrock #605 I bought last year at a tool swap. The bevel on the plane iron had been somehow ground *concave* by the previous owner (or else it just wore that way), so I first straightened the edge out on the grinding wheel, grinding in straight at first so as not to create a thin edge that would burn, and then grinding in a bevel but stopping a bit short of a real edge, again to prevent burning. Because of this care not to burn the steel, this grinding goes slow and light, but it's time well spent. Time now to lap the back behind the cutting bevel. I took a page out of the plane-sole lapping book -- figuratively speaking of course, you should never tear pages out of a book -- and used very light coatings of 3M "77" spray adhesive to temporarily glue small 1-1/2" x 3-1/2" rectangular pieces of sandpaper along the edge of a sheet of 1/4" plate-glass. The paper I used was Aluminum Oxide in grits 50, 80, and 100, and Silicon Carbide (wet-or-dry to you lay people) in grits of 150, 180, 220, 320, 400, 600, 1200, and 2000. The plate glass was placed with its edge flush to the edge of the workbench.

I lapped the end one inch of the back of the iron on each grit in turn. I didn't use any water; I just went at it dry. So as I lapped -- can you call it lapping if it's dry? -- anyway, about every ten seconds or so I'd stop and brush off the sandpaper with a whisk broom and wipe the blade off on my shirt. (On the coarser grits, I found that a dustbuster vacuum actually cleaned up the paper quite thoroughly, much better than sweeping it off, but this sucking advantage disappeared at around 220 grit.) Since I progressed through the grits so gradually, I found I had to spend only about a minute or so on each grit, including the suck-down and sweep-off and shirt-wipe time.

One trick to efficiency is knowing when you've lapped the back sufficiently on each progressive grit. I had previously had trouble gauging this, and didn't know how to tell when enough is enough. Thanks to a clever suggestion from Jeff Gorman, I tried a trick that seemed to work wonderfully. I have a cheapie Radio Shack 30-power hand microscope -- "microscope" sounds impressive, but it's only $10, although I forget where I got it from -- and used that to tell when the striations from the new grit had replaced all the striations from the previous grit, and when they had, I stopped there and moved on to the next grit.

About ten minutes after starting, I had gone from 50 grit on up to 2000, and there was a mirror finish on the back of that iron the likes of which must be seen. The back of the iron became so shiny I could count my nose hairs in it; 98 on the left, 79 on the right, but 109 and 85 if you count the white ones.

I then jigged the blade in a Veritas honing jig -- which, by the way, Mr. Lee, should be called a honing fixture, not a jig, since a jig's for holding a tool and a fixture's for holding a workpiece and in the sharpening operation the plane iron, while usually thought of as a tool, or as a part of one, is actually in this instance the workpiece -- man, near-terminal digression there, almost lost it for good; Boy, snap out of it! -- I clamped the blade down in the Veritas blade-holder device, taking care to have the hollow-ground bevel resting on the glass perfectly along both edges of the hollow grind. I then adjusted the microbevel cam on the jig up to its full two-degree microbevel setting -- Robin, tell your uncle that Steve said "way to go, old dude" -- and honed away on the 2000-grit. Even though I had not ground a sharp edge on the primary bevel with the bench grinder, even on that little slip of fine 2000 grit it still took only about another couple of minutes before I had a nice sharp little 1/64" microbevel gleaming back at me.

I flipped the blade over on the sandpaper several times, hone and lap, hone and lap, each time gentler and gentler, to remove the little bit of wire edge. (Which, by the way, as a result of using such a fine grit must have been so tiny that it was very hard to see or feel, so pretty much just from my awareness of the process I assumed it was there.) The resulting little thin secondary bevel was shiny. I mean *clean* shiny, like nothing I'd ever seen before. Unlike the secondary bevels I'd previously coaxed out of my hard white Arkansas stone, this one was unbelievably Shiny with a capital S. I mean *clean* shiny, like nothing I'd ever seen before. Oh, I said that already. Okay, it's hard to describe; about the best I can do is to say that it looked almost *liquid* when you catch the light on it just right. I mean, it was so darn clean and shiny that it takes ten lines just to say it was so shiny it's hard to describe.

Of course, shine is not the ultimate goal. But sharpness *is*. Still, they equate. The more shiny, the more uniform the surface is microscopically, and the closer to the geometric ideal of a *line* is the edge, and hence the sharper it is. Cool. I mean *COOL*!!! I was trembling in my Mickey Mouse boots in anticipation. Hell, this cutting edge looked downright *dangerous*! I didn't dare touch it. But yet, there was still something I just *had* to try.

I removed the blade from the jig, and anxiously tried the old cliché "cut a finger off before you can notice and bleed all over your screaming wife in the car on the way to the hospital" test. Oops; no, wait. Sorry, that's the wrong test, for those other kinds of tools. Sorry. For the Neanderthals, it's the "shave some arm hairs off" test. Now I've done this test before, on other blades sharpened up on white Arkansas, and while these other blades would pop *some* hairs off the back of my wrist, many other hairs would just bend on over down under the blade's edge (probably from the sheer weight of four prepositions in a row), and those hairs that *did* pop off would do so quite painfully, as though the blade was more grabbing the hairs and *ripping* them out, and I could feel every one of them offering their stubborn and vengeful resistance. Not much fun, and nothing to be doing voluntarily in front of others.

But the edge on this blade was something else! Not only did it cut off every little hair in its path with total ease, but it didn't hurt at all. In fact, I couldn't feel a thing; for all I could tell, there were no hairs there in its path to begin with. But of course there were many, since I'm Italian and also since I could see the fallen hairs all over the back of the blade. And my arm where I had shaved it was a smooth as a non-Italian baby's butt.

Again, man, this had gotten downright *frightening*.

But of course, the ultimate test of a plane iron's sharpness is what it does on wood. So I put the blade back into the plane, that old early-model Bedrock jack, which I've not yet tuned in any way. I tried it on the edge of a piece of pine, and as I adjusted the blade for the finest cut possible, it glided through the wood with no effort. None whatsoever. In fact, it almost seemed like the plane was pulling itself along, or that the wood was *wanting* to be planed and was throwing itself into the blade -- no, I've not read Krenov -- it took that little effort.

I ended up getting a shaving that was so darn thin I could read newsprint through it easily. Unbelievably easily. So easily, in fact, that I thought for a moment about taking the iron back on out of the plane and putting the shaving over the shiny part of its back and counting my nose hairs again, but by this time I had grown weary of counting nose hairs, and of my concerned wife repeatedly asking me why I was doing that.

I thought, no way, this can't be! So skeptic that I am -- I'm so skeptical, that I can't be fully sure that I'm really that much of a skeptic -- I put a micrometer to the shaving, and get this: it measured .0004 thick! Four ten-thousandths of an inch! (Or, as my eternally-pestered but forever-patient metalmentor David Opincarne showed me, "four-tenths" in machinist talk.) No, I read the mike right. Less than one half way to the very first line after zero.

Man! That's a cubic hair less than one-half of a thousandth of an inch! Incredible! Amazing!

And it just gets better. For a while there, I actually thought I had taken off another shaving that was even thinner, one so thin in fact that it was invisible and of no measurable mass. I'm pretty sure I did, actually, but I'm having a hard time trying to think of a way to check this out, or even to find the spot on the ceiling that it floated up to.

And what about the planed wood itself? Well, the surface the plane iron left on the wood in indescribable! It's like glass! No, it's like glass wet down with water and a tad of liquid soap added and then some Slick-50 and then frozen and polished. And this is on pine, a softwood! Not only that, but I then gave it the torture test: end grain. I put the same piece of wood in my shooting board, and had a go at the endgrain. Man oh man, I've never seen such a smooth surface on *endgrain* in my life. And again, this is on *pine*! The endgrain was almost as smooth as the edgegrain!

This has gotten good! Still, having exclaimed all this, I'm making no claims to the throne of King of the Neanderthals. I'm the first to admit that this was kind of like when I was a kid and one year I batted a thousand in the Kiwanis Grasshoppers when I was really four years too young to actually play in the league but it was the last game of the year and Dad the team manager put me up in a losing game as the last batter just for the novelty of it and to stop my pestering -- he figured I'd get beaned and would shut up for a while -- and the opposing pitcher Terry Crowley the hotshot star started laughing at me because I was so scrawny and tiny and he taunted me who's this, Mickey Mantle or something, and he threw a pitch at my crutch and I just shut my eyes and said a curse and swung and slammed a hard grounder right down the line and under the legs of the first baseman 20 some odd years before Bill Buckner got his chance and I got a hit. I know it was kind of like that, because this shaving wasn't the minimum three feet long as per the Rules for the Contest to Become the King of the Neanderthals, so it shouldn't qualify. But it still feels just as nice. One more good thing is that in the process of taking this plane iron from misshapen funkiness to terrifying sharpness I used up all of about 25 cents worth of sandpaper, and probably about 3 cents worth of spray glue, and about fifteen or so minutes of my time, twenty if you stop for a nosehair count.

When it was all done, I peeled the sandpaper from the glass and threw it away -- well, actually I could have but in truth I stick them together back-to- back and save them in a "used-sandpaper" box for odd tasks that never come up. I then scraped the little bit of residual adhesive from the glass with a razor blade, a quick wipedown with acetone on a piece of paper towel, and the cleanup was done in a minute. No oil, no water, no mess, no glaze or flatness problems to worry about, and a cutting edge that is Scary-Sharp (TM).

I think I'll still keep my stones, though; they can sit atop the packets of sandpaper to help keep them flat.

-- Steve LaMantia [I'm talking about my oilstones.]

Seattle, WA

Dan Duperron
02-20-2017, 7:05 AM
Derek, thanks for posting this. I wasn't an Internet woodworker that far back so I have never seen this, or heard of Steve. Sounds like he was a fun and interesting guy.

Kees Heiden
02-20-2017, 8:09 AM
Yes that was a funny piece.

roger wiegand
02-20-2017, 8:38 AM
I can remember blowing my coffee out my nose when I first read this back in the old rec.ww days, and just re-experienced that phenomenon.

Pete Taran
02-20-2017, 9:01 AM
Steve was a great guy. Of the the founding members of the Oldtools listserve which we started all those years ago. Very sad, I've met Steve, he definitely passed before his time.

Art Mann
02-20-2017, 10:03 AM
I clearly remember when the "Scary Sharp" method came out. I was an early adopter and still use the technique today. There were a lot of people who found fault with the technique. It was too easy. Sharpening required suffering to be effective. It was too cheap. How could the idea possibly work with something so cheap and easy to come by as sand paper and plate glass?

Bob Leistner
02-20-2017, 10:20 AM
I hope this isn't taken the wrong way, but folks have been sharpening with sandpaper for probably as long as there has been sandpaper. I've been around autobody repair since the 70's and an old timer showed me back then.

Derek Cohen
02-20-2017, 10:29 AM
Bob, Steve never claimed to have invented sharpening with sandpaper. However, he was probably one of the first, if not the first, to write about it. And he did it in such a memorable way.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Sam Murdoch
02-20-2017, 10:41 AM
Very informative, wonderfully funny - Lovely really. Thank you so much for posting.
This guy was a HOOT :D!

Tom Stenzel
02-20-2017, 11:32 AM
After reading what Steve wrote I find him highly abrasive.

Sorry, it had to be said!

I didn't know Steve but it sounds like he was quite a fun character. Too bad that many of us her are only now learning about him at his passing. RIP

-Tom

Pete Taran
02-20-2017, 11:39 AM
Steve was known for his long winded posts. In fact on rec.norm and later, the oldtools list, when someone posted a very long explanation it was usually prefaced with a warning that a "Lamanthian" post was to follow.

michael langman
02-20-2017, 12:10 PM
What a Great post!. I had never read it but thought it was very entertaining.
I'm sure Steve will be greatly missed.
Thanks Derek

Bruce Haugen
02-20-2017, 12:14 PM
I hope this isn't taken the wrong way, but folks have been sharpening with sandpaper for probably as long as there has been sandpaper. I've been around autobody repair since the 70's and an old timer showed me back then.


As Derek said, Steve didn't invent scary sharp. He did coin the phrase, though. Back in rec.ww, he talked about the method, having learned about it from a patternmaker's apprentice, guy by the name of David Opincairne. Dave was recounting how he had learned it from old timers in the trade. So yes, it's been around a long time. Steve told us about his experience and made it known.

Jim Koepke
02-20-2017, 12:43 PM
May Steve rest in peace.

I recall hearing about Scary Sharp and then reading what was probably one of Steve LaMantia's posts about it. I tried it and liked it, but settled for using water stones.

Scary Sharp was the first sharpening method that actually got me to successfully sharpen a blade. It was one of my early sharpening teachers.

jtk

Stewie Simpson
02-20-2017, 6:33 PM
Steve was known for his long winded posts. In fact on rec.norm and later, the oldtools list, when someone posted a very long explanation it was usually prefaced with a warning that a "Lamanthian" post was to follow.

Pete; you sure you don't mean Letmathian. Reference to Peter Brabeck-Letmathe

Views on water.
Brabeck-Letmathe (credited as Peter Brabeck) appeared in the 2005 documentary We Feed the World (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Feed_the_World) and while speaking on the subject of water, he said "It’s a question of whether we should privatize the normal water supply for the population. And there are two different opinions on the matter. The one opinion, which I think is extreme, is represented by the NGOs, who bang on about declaring water a public right. That means that as a human being you should have a right to water. That’s an extreme solution. The other view says that water is a foodstuff like any other, and like any other foodstuff it should have a market value." He added, "Personally, I believe it's better to give a foodstuff a value so that we're all aware it has its price, and then that one should take specific measures for the part of the population that has no access to this water."[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Brabeck-Letmathe#cite_note-brabeckYoutube-4)[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Brabeck-Letmathe#cite_note-muir-5) Following controversy on social media about these remarks, he stated that he does believe that water for basic hygiene (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene) and drinking is indeed a human right. He went on to say that his remarks were intended to address overconsumption (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconsumption) by some while others suffered from lack of water and further that his remarks were taken out of context (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_quoting_out_of_context) by the documentary.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Brabeck-Letmathe#cite_note-mcgraw-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Brabeck-Letmathe#cite_note-7) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Brabeck-Letmathe

Bruce Haugen
02-20-2017, 7:04 PM
Pete; you sure you don't mean Letmathian. Reference to Peter Brabeck-Letmathe

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Nope. Speaking for Pete, here, he absolutely means "Lamanthian." Check out the Oldtools Archives (https://swingleydev.com/ot/) sometime. They're good reading.

Stewie Simpson
02-20-2017, 7:51 PM
Bruce; just curious. What does Lamanthian actually refer too.

Stewie;

David Eisenhauer
02-20-2017, 8:04 PM
The Scary Sharp guy was named Steve Lamantia and he was known to write long-winded posts. When someone wrote, or read, a long-winded post by themselves or someone else, they would call it a "Lamanthian" (made up word) post as a tongue-in-cheek reference to Steve so as to advise everyone to be aware that it was going to be a longer type post. It was all in fun.

Bruce Haugen
02-20-2017, 8:08 PM
Bruce; just curious. What does Lamanthian actually refer too.

Stewie;

What David just said, with the addendum that Steve's post were frequently very funny. There were four original Galoots, as named by Steve. I was one of that group.

Pete Taran
02-20-2017, 8:39 PM
Some might find this introductory notice amusing. Seems like just yesterday... I wonder how TRB is doing these days? Note the date on the announcement.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.woodworking/h6hT03Sa36w

Andrew Pitonyak
02-20-2017, 9:43 PM
After reading what Steve wrote I find him highly abrasive.

Sorry, it had to be said!

Note to self..... If you notice a post by Tom, swallow your tasty beverage BEFORE you read lest you laugh so unexpectedly that you cover things with said beverage... Very well said Tom!

It was exactly that post (as posted by Derek, not Tom's response) that caused me to start sharpening with sand paper.

Bill McNiel
02-20-2017, 10:16 PM
Derek,
Many thanks for posting this. I was in the shop or on the road when this was posted and am so very glad I got to read it in its original form. A truly enjoyable read, filled with humour and fun. What a blessing!
Mahalo - Bill

Jeff Heath
02-20-2017, 10:34 PM
I'm saddened to hear of Steve's passing. Thanks for posting this notice, Derek.

I still prefer this sharpening method over all others, after all these years.

Jeff

Derek Cohen
02-21-2017, 1:05 AM
What David just said, with the addendum that Steve's post were frequently very funny. There were four original Galoots, as named by Steve. I was one of that group.

Hi Bruce

I've been a member of the List Serve since about 2000. I think my first bio was around that time. It was updated in 2006. I still read the posts each day, although my contributions are less frequent than others. I could not imagine woodworking without it. There have been many wonderful characters, just like Steve. Hell, all Galoots are the best fellows!

Regards from Perth

Derek

Patrick Chase
02-21-2017, 1:31 AM
It's truly a sad day when somebody who's contributed so much to the Neander community passes away.

Like many other in this thread I saw and see Steve's "scary sharp" writeup in the humorous light he intended. Reading it still makes me smile, even if I personally choose not to hone on sandpaper for the most part.

Jim Koepke
02-21-2017, 11:26 AM
It's truly a sad day when somebody who's contributed so much to the Neander community passes away.

Like many other in this thread I saw and see Steve's "scary sharp" writeup in the humorous light he intended. Reading it still makes me smile, even if I personally choose not to hone on sandpaper for the most part.

I once read that when some pass it is like a great library has burnt down.

jtk

Doug Hepler
02-24-2017, 11:58 PM
Thanks, Derek for posting this memento. It was fun to read, and to remember when alt.anything did not automatically make me set my jaw.

This thread has more love for scary sharp than I have seen in months. Art Mann may have put his finger on it. How can it be so great and not be expensive? This is downright subversive. Sharpening is not supposed to be simple! No diamond flattening stones? No water bath? Just go ahead and hone?

As Steve wrote, scary sharp was such a pleasure and relief after oilstones. It was the first method that got my tools really sharp. You'd wonder why I ever even tried waterstones, but I did. But Scary Sharp took me back, sadder but wiser, and promising never to flirt again (although those ceramics are mighty smooth).

Doug