Thoughts on Ridgid R4513 or any other $500 table saws?

[Charles Biddles]

Hi guys, I'm kinda at a dilemma here. The price range for me is about $500 give or take a little, and none of the saws I'm seeing are really standing out to me. I won't buy used because the Craigslist market by me is terrible. The Ridgid model seems to have the best reviews out of the pack of $500 saws, and others within range. The Delta 36-725 seems like a great saw when I checked it out at Lowes, but lots of reviews state otherwise with multiple motors burning out etc... The Ridgid while having better reviews, is quite a bit smaller and not as sturdy. The table top itself doesn't feel very strong either. The kicker is I have a $300 Home Depot store credit, and the Ridgid was $299 on Black Friday. It's now $499 meaning another $200 plus tax vs the sale price. If I could get it at $299 I would jump on it, but at $542 it's pushing my budget. I also have to throw another blade on it from what I've gathered online.

I'm not in a terrible rush, I'm checking deal sites daily, but this is the biggest table saw Home Depot has in stock. There are a few others that can be shipped to store, but again none with overly positive reviews. The R4512 seems to be hit or miss depending on who you ask, but it's also a dated model now, and again sale prices have been low as $249 on that model...

I did construction for about 5 years, but I work at the post office now. This purchase for me is for hobbies, furniture crafting, and home repairs. I want to have it for many many years to come, so I want to make the right purchase the first time around. I bought a $130 Ryobi a few years back, and that was a mistake I don't want to repeat.

If anyone has any thoughts on this saw or any others I should check out within range I'd really appreciate hearing them. Even better if anyone knows how to get a better discount on one of these, Black Friday is a long wait.

[scott spencer]

I wouldn't buy a portable saw because it's in your price range. Buy a portable because you NEED the portability. A full size belt drive saw with an induction motor has nearly every other advantage. You give up a lot of operating space in front of the blade in exchange for a portable saw. You also give up cast iron, steel, and a quieter motor with more torque in exchange for plastic, aluminum, and a loud universal motor.

[Jim Becker]

Charles, I agree with Scott...a "portable" isn't going to likely make you very happy and you'll end up spending more to replace it. The noise, lack of precision, lighter weight, etc., all make for a poor investment.

Try for a "contractors' style saw or a hybrid saw. With patience (I know you said local market isn't great) you may still be able to find a good used as folks will sell to move up to a cabinet saw from time to time or for other reasons. You want an induction motor (not a "universal" motor) with a belt drive and a cast iron top. The home centers used to sell some of these things, but they've not been so keen on that lately which doesn't bode well for you to use your gift card unfortunately.

[Charles Biddles]

Understood, thanks for the quick replies. I've been eyeing Grizzly's G0715P, but it's out of my range and very heavy as well. I'm not living in a permanent situation right now, and moving that in the future from where I am would be a big ordeal. I'm not sure what models to look for on Craigslist, most are Craftsmans that look like they've been through the ringer, a few old Deltas which I looked up and had bad reviews.

[Robert Engel]

The biggest downfall of these saws are power, the fence system and overall durability. You really want a true induction motor, with (cast iron) pulleys and belts. The 4513 model you indicated I wouldn't consider a portable saw per se (if by portable you all mean jobsite) but rather a contractor saw advertised with a cast iron top. Actually I prefer to call them 'homeowners saws', because even though they look like a contractors saw, there are actual contractors saws out there of much better quality.

That being said, I still won't disagree with the posters in that you're going to get what you pay for. Bear in mind I'm coming from at this as one who uses a full on 3HP major brand cabinet saw. But as a previous owner of one of these, I can assure you these type saws are only going to take you so far. They may be be quite adequate for you for light work, until that day comes when you try to rip some 8/4 hard maple and find out what you really have.

Definitely stay away from all those old Craftsman saws you see with the screw handle type fence. They are absolutely horrendous and dangerous. Some of the new C'man saws have a better fence system.

[Brett Luna]

I've had my Delta 36-725 for a month shy of three years. I know it's outside of your budget zone but for what it's worth, my experience with it has been generally good. I've replaced one part on it: the fence lock handle. I was a bit heavy-handed with it and over time, it gave up the ghost. One annoyance is that it's not the easiest saw to make zero clearance inserts for. The stock insert is stamped steel so a thicker ply/MDF/whatever insert needs a routed lip. Warts and limitations aside, I've accomplished some satisfying woodworking with it.

[Chris Hachet]

Five hundred dollars might be better spent in the used market.

[Phil Mueller]

Charles, like you, I'm a hobbyist. 7 years ago I bought a Dewalt 745 for under $400 from HD. I don't have space for a full size saw in my basement shop and I wanted one I could take outside. I used it primarily to rough dimension and square up rough sawn lumber. I have also used it to resaw. It has been completely adequate for what I need. I took the time to align it and it cuts 4/4 hardwood stock (which is 99% of what I use) without any issue. Anything thicker, I just make a few passes.
I have since moved to more hand tool use, but it does come out on occasion for resawing and other rough cut use or repetitive width rip needs. I have had no service issues...but, it does only get occasional use.

It has the limitations mentioned above. I built an infeed and outfeed table to assist with longer stock. The miter slot is a bit off size for some jigs. It's also narrow, so wide stock can be an issue, but I can use either the outfeed or infeed table if needed. Dust collection isn't great. And it's noisy.

The point is, it is what it is. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase another if this one quit working.

[Charles Biddles]

Thanks Phil, I understand completely. I've been doing research all night, and looked at quite a few youtube reviews. The Ridgid R4512 might be right for me, and there is a Home Depot that actually has them in stock. So I'm hoping there's a floor model I can get a feel for tomorrow after work. There are some bad reviews online, but there are a lot of good ones too. If I get the extended warranty I can always return it. I'm also curious if there's been any revisions because I read a thread where Ridgid acknowledged the trunnion issue, and actually sent a customer a new one which fixed the major issue the saw had. So I may gamble on it. Still I have to see it in person.

[Keith Westfall]

Quite a few years ago, I got the Ridgid 3650 (3560?) and for my hobby type work is very good. Cast iron top and had the Hercules mover under it. Far as I'm concerned, it's solid, and seems to make good cuts. It's a bit under powered for 2'hardwoods, but I don't use much of that, and if needed, make a coupe of passes.

Mos of the time I run a thin kerf 7 1/4 inch blade and it works well.

I paid $499 ($100 off the reg price) back then. Don't regret it.

[Phil Mueller]

Oops, got my planer mixed up with my saw...I have the Dewalt 7480. The Rigid you are looking at has much better features...the cast iron top for one. I don't think you'd have the miter slot issues I have, and it looks to extend much wider. It looks like a good choice.

[Chris Hachet]

Quite a few years ago, I got the Ridgid 3650 (3560?) and for my hobby type work is very good. Cast iron top and had the Hercules mover under it. Far as I'm concerned, it's solid, and seems to make good cuts. It's a bit under powered for 2'hardwoods, but I don't use much of that, and if needed, make a coupe of passes.

Mos of the time I run a thin kerf 7 1/4 inch blade and it works well.

I paid $499 ($100 off the reg price) back then. Don't regret it.
Again, thin Kerf blades make a nice difference in a smaller lower powered saw.

[Kevin Smira]

Are you guys saying the R4513 has a cast iron top? Mine does not. The R4512 has a cast iron top.

[Phil Mueller]

Man, I can't get any #s right on this thread. You're right, I was looking at the 4512, not the 4513. In that case, it will be more similar to my Dewalt. Thanks for the correction, Kevin.

[Kevin Smira]

No worries Phil! OP...I have the R4513 because I have limitations on space and can't have a saw that's stationary. That' said, I like my 4513 ok. The big drawback for me though is space in front of the blade. I wish I had more space in front of the blade.

[Mason Truelove]

I agree man...
Five hundred dollars might be better spent in the used market.

[Frederick Skelly]

I would - and did - buy an older Delta contractor saw. Had a 52" Biesemeyer fence. Paid $400. Still running strong. But if your used market is bad, I'd definitely go find a home despot that has the Ridgid 4512. I recommend against a portable saw for the reasons already stated - especially if you're serious about having it a long time. (I truly hated my Delta portable and kept it only a year.)

As far as reviews go, take the time to read the details on the Ridgid saw's lifetime warranty. Read the fine print and understand what you have to do to make a warranty claim. If those terms are agreeable to you, the warranty might offset at least some any negative reviews that you might find.

Let us know what you think of that 4512 if you find one to examine, and especially if you buy one.

Good luck!
Fred

[Rich Konopka]

I am limited to a 12X16 shed and have to do any work outside in the driveway because of our current house. I purchased the Dewalt DWE7491RS on Black Friday for $502 bucks. It pains me because I have "Made in USA" Delta Table saw in a storage unit. It was easy to set up and calibrated to an acceptable tolerance. I also looked at the Rigid and I went with the Dewalt because it has the 31" Fence width and better dust collection. Use your credit at HD and but the Ridgid and then purchase a decent blade.

[Mike Seals]

I've been running the 4512 now for about two years. Before that I had an older model Craftsman with a very nice Shop Fox fence system, it was under powered but made good straight cuts and with spot on accuracy. I have had no problems with the 4512 since I purchased it and I use it virtually every day. I've been remodeling the entire house, all new cabinets along with furniture. That said, the only weak link for me is the fence system that comes with it, I was spoiled to the Shop Fox fence I had before. The Rigid fence system is not bad, I'd say 5 on a 1-10.

I don't use the saw on heavy materials like ripping 8/4 lumber, I reserve that for the band saw. I have used it for a ton of dado cuts and as long as you take your time it cuts perfectly. So far I have run a few hundred board feet of oak, hickory and beech wood through it with out any problem. Build yourself a nice sled and you may never use that miter saw again except for angle cuts.

[andy bessette]

For $500 you can buy a very nice, used, cabinet saw, like a Unisaw or Powermatic.

[Jim Dwight]

I have used a Ryobi BT3100 for around 10 years now. I've made half a dozen bedroom sets and other furniture with it. It is nothing like the $100 Ryobis but it is not a cabinet saw either. It is not sold anymore but might show up on the used market. It has no miter slot, it has a small sliding table instead. It is belt driven but with a universal motor. The motor is 15A so it is not overly powerful. But with a ripping blade (full kerf) I occasionally drip 3 inches or more in hardwoods with it (one pass). Blade must be sharp and clean. Size wise it's about like a plastic portable but it is aluminum and steel. Nicely accurate with a good fence. I used to use the extension rails with it but took them off when I got a track saw.

Long way of saying I don't think you need a hybrid or even contractor style saw to make stuff. I've used them and they are nice, however. Big thing to me is good fence and a blade that doesn't wobble and stays at the same angle as you crank the height up and down.