Dust collector upgrade

[Mike Dowell]

I'm going to be budgeting for an improvement of my dust collection. I currently have http://www.harborfreight.com/2-hp-industrial-5-micron-dust-collector-97869.html dust collector. My shop is 25x25, and the dust collector is piped into my Bandsaw and Table saw. I got a 6" edge sander, and have not yet piped that into the DC. At some point, I'd like to get a planer/jointer combo machine, which will need to be piped in.

What would be a logical upgrade to what I have now?

[Andy Giddings]

Mike, my shop is the same size and with a Shop Fox 1.5HP DC converted to two stage with a Super Dust Deputy and Wynn filter. While this is adequate for now, like you I've been looking at an upgrade. Most users on this forum seem to like either the ClearVue CV-1800 or the Oneida V-3000/5000 as the step up. Seem to be about even in terms of feedback that I've seen

[Mike Henderson]

I can tell you what NOT to do. Don't buy one of those short cyclone units like the Laguna. I made that mistake and regret it. It just doesn't separate very well and the filter gets clogged with fines too fast. I finally broke down and bought a Super Dust Deputy XL and put it in front of the Laguna. Now, I get a small amount of fines in the Laguna hopper and essentially nothing in the filter.

Mike

[Ben Rivel]

I'd suggest an Onieda V-3000 or V-5000 with metal ducting. But you didnt tell us how much you have to spend on this build... Thats pretty important with regards to what kind of system you can get.

[Mike Dowell]

I'd suggest an Onieda V-3000 or V-5000 with metal ducting. But you didnt tell us how much you have to spend on this build... Thats pretty important with regards to what kind of system you can get.I don't really have anything to spend on it! HAHAHA! I'd like to spend as little as possible. If $1800 is what it will cost, then it is what it is. So, I guess I'll put $1800 as the ceiling.

Question, what difference will it make if I end up with a bigger shop one day? Same amount of tools, but a bigger shop, so longer ducting runs.

[Andy Giddings]

Mike, have a look on Bill Pentz' site for his Excel spreadsheet. Will allow you to calculate how much you would lose through longer duct runs, connectors and so on. Unless you are going to super size, I would think as the number of tools and drops is the same, should not be a significant issue

[Ben Rivel]

I don't really have anything to spend on it! HAHAHA! I'd like to spend as little as possible. If $1800 is what it will cost, then it is what it is. So, I guess I'll put $1800 as the ceiling.

Question, what difference will it make if I end up with a bigger shop one day? Same amount of tools, but a bigger shop, so longer ducting runs.Once you build it out in this shop, going up to a larger shop should just mean more straight pipe runs with bends where you need them and possibly felx hose as youll already have all the wyes, blastgates, reducers, etc that can be reused from your last shop build out.

[Bill Adamsen]

There are big fixed costs only one of which is the filters. Big canister filters - and you will likely need 2 of them - run over $200 each including shipping. I guess you might score something on e-bay or craigslist. There are lots of cyclones that come up locally on Craigslist. I bought mine for a few hundred dollars ... then added fabricating a plenum, a dedicated VFD, the filters, ductwork, gates, sanding and painting, install time ... as you can guess it adds up. Some of that cost will be there regardless of whether you buy new or attempt to design yourself. And actually the duct design is very important. There were a lot of folks here on the Creek that provided valuable feedback that helped make the system not just functional but truly superb.

I would add that there are attributes that might not seem significant but are. Noise, which is a function primarily of fan blade type, is a big factor that you will have to live with for a long time. Another is maintenance. Make sure the cartridges can be easily removed, cleaned and returned to get you back into operation. Good luck with your project.

[Larry Frank]

With the addition of an edge sander, I think you need to make a step up in order to collect the fine dust. Bill Pentz gives some good guidelines for what you need.

[Darcy Warner]

I need to upgrade mine too, but I am looking at 25hp cyclones, bag houses, air locks and hoppers.

It's a vicious cycle

I may end up with a 25hp for the moulder, planer, slr and wide belt and a 10 or 15hp for everything else.

So, two air locks.....

[Van Huskey]

I don't really have anything to spend on it! HAHAHA! I'd like to spend as little as possible. If $1800 is what it will cost, then it is what it is. So, I guess I'll put $1800 as the ceiling.

Question, what difference will it make if I end up with a bigger shop one day? Same amount of tools, but a bigger shop, so longer ducting runs.


If you can swing it I would consider the V-3000 to be the minimum of where you really want to be. Shipped it will be about $2200 with the remote. For not a whole lot more you can move to the 5hp version and likely never feel the need to upgrade. DC is about the least sexy thing in the shop to spend money on but do it right once and then you can forget about it.

[Ole Anderson]

I get it. Dust collectors can't cut or shape wood, so it is an investment that seems non-productive in a wood shop. Some very nice tools can be purchased for the cost of a properly sized cyclone dust collector system. So we want to spend as little as possible. While the obvious benefit is to keep sawdust from piling up ankle deep in the shop, the real, long term benefit is your health. You can't put a price tag on that. Sawdust that readily piles up on the floor isn't the issue, it is the very fine dust that hangs around in the air after you are done with an operation, whether it is sawing, planing, milling or sanding. Sawing, routing and sanding are the worst offenders as the particles are much smaller than the ones you generate while drilling, planing, or jointing. If you haven't already done so, spend some time on the BillPentz.com website. Specifically regarding the medical risk of small woodworking dust particles.
http://www.billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/medical_risks.cfm Just keep in mind that he started out with some serious respiratory problems, so his point of view is on the super-cautionary side. Also keep in mind that he calls ambient air cleaners (apart from the central diust collector) "dust blowers". Most here would disagree, particularly those with Dylos dust particle counters and ambient air cleaners. So you need to take everything there with a grain of dust.

Bottom line is that a good dust collection system is not cheap, but it is an investment in your health, with a side benefit of central chip collection.

[Robin Frierson]

Is noise an important consideration? My shop is about same size of yours, an attached garage so didnt want to pollute the house with two much noise. The Oneida V3000 is quiet compared to other cyclones, so I went with that and have no regrets. I had two others that were WAY louder. And the cyclone works great, filter hardly ever needs cleaning. Go with the larger drum....they fill fast.

[Mike Dowell]

Noise is a non-issue Robin.

@Van, it would appear that the v5000 is CHEAPER than the v3000?
@Ole Anderson - you are 100% correct.

[Ben Rivel]

Noise is a non-issue Robin.

@Van, it would appear that the v5000 is CHEAPER than the v3000?
@Ole Anderson - you are 100% correct.Check the accessories included with each package. IIRC the V-5000 doesnt come with everything you need in its "package" like the V-3000 does. Thats why it appears to be cheaper.

[Mike Dowell]

There are big fixed costs only one of which is the filters. Big canister filters - and you will likely need 2 of them - run over $200 each including shipping. I guess you might score something on e-bay or craigslist. There are lots of cyclones that come up locally on Craigslist. I bought mine for a few hundred dollars ... then added fabricating a plenum, a dedicated VFD, the filters, ductwork, gates, sanding and painting, install time ... as you can guess it adds up. Some of that cost will be there regardless of whether you buy new or attempt to design yourself. And actually the duct design is very important. There were a lot of folks here on the Creek that provided valuable feedback that helped make the system not just functional but truly superb.

I would add that there are attributes that might not seem significant but are. Noise, which is a function primarily of fan blade type, is a big factor that you will have to live with for a long time. Another is maintenance. Make sure the cartridges can be easily removed, cleaned and returned to get you back into operation. Good luck with your project.I thought the Oneida systems shipped WITH the filter(s)?

[Jim Andrew]

I upgraded to a 3hp cyclone from a 2hp cyclone, and while it is a considerable improvement, should have gone with a 5hp. My small widebelt sander still has a pile of sanding dust on the back side. It works pretty well with the edge sander, but I upgraded to the Grizzly G0564 which has a sort of scoop to catch the dust.

[Mike Dowell]

I upgraded to a 3hp cyclone from a 2hp cyclone, and while it is a considerable improvement, should have gone with a 5hp. My small widebelt sander still has a pile of sanding dust on the back side. It works pretty well with the edge sander, but I upgraded to the Grizzly G0564 which has a sort of scoop to catch the dust.Well I think I'm sold on the V5000 Oneida model which is 5hp. The question is, what *does* it come with, and what do I *need* to get it running. Also, the other question is where can I buy it and maybe be able to finance it. Looks like it's going to set me back about $2500 bucks and cash is a bit tight at the moment.

[Andy Giddings]

Think Amazon sells them and you could use an Amazon Store Card or their CCard. They also sell ClearVue

[Van Huskey]

Well I think I'm sold on the V5000 Oneida model which is 5hp. The question is, what *does* it come with, and what do I *need* to get it running. Also, the other question is where can I buy it and maybe be able to finance it. Looks like it's going to set me back about $2500 bucks and cash is a bit tight at the moment.

When you click on the V5000 it first gives you the option of mounting (none, two free standing choices depending on what size barrel you plan to use and a wall mount) then the next page gives the choice of barrel (none 35g/55g in steel or fiber). You obviously need both but can build your own support and source your own barrel which may or may not save you money but it will likely cost time. There are then 3 basic options to add or not. The RF remote, the bin sensor and the filter monitor. I consider the remote a must have some might consider the bin sensor a must too. The bin sensor and filter efficiency monitor can be easily added later or home built to save money.



So to suck dust you need the unit, some way to mount it to the wall or stand it up and a barrel. Beyond that you have the 3 main accessories I mentioned but would definitely buy the remote with purchase as they integrate it into the magnetic switch.

So buying the minimum I suggest (all from Oneida) would be the V5000, the wall mount, the 35 gallon fiber drum and the remote with shipping that will be right at $2300. Going whole hog with a 55 gallon steel drum, freestanding stand and all three accessories it jumps about $400 so depending on how you go your range is $2300-2700 shipped.


I didn't really address what the base price comes with, you get the motor, impeller, cyclone, filter and mag switch so again everything to function except some way to mount it and the barrel.

[Van Huskey]

Think Amazon sells them and you could use an Amazon Store Card or their CCard. They also sell ClearVue

This is the only one I found https://www.amazon.com/Oneida-V-5000-HEPA-Cyclone-Collector/dp/B01FBC6NRK/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1484684458&sr=8-11&keywords=oneida+cyclone

I didn't do the math but I think the price is more expensive than ordering through Oneida as it appears the one on Amazon has a free standing mount, 35g fiber barrel and remote for 2590 shipped.

[Mike Dowell]

When you click on the V5000 it first gives you the option of mounting (none, two free standing choices depending on what size barrel you plan to use and a wall mount) then the next page gives the choice of barrel (none 35g/55g in steel or fiber). You obviously need both but can build your own support and source your own barrel which may or may not save you money but it will likely cost time. There are then 3 basic options to add or not. The RF remote, the bin sensor and the filter monitor. I consider the remote a must have some might consider the bin sensor a must too. The bin sensor and filter efficiency monitor can be easily added later or home built to save money.



So to suck dust you need the unit, some way to mount it to the wall or stand it up and a barrel. Beyond that you have the 3 main accessories I mentioned but would definitely buy the remote with purchase as they integrate it into the magnetic switch.

So buying the minimum I suggest (all from Oneida) would be the V5000, the wall mount, the 35 gallon fiber drum and the remote with shipping that will be right at $2300. Going whole hog with a 55 gallon steel drum, freestanding stand and all three accessories it jumps about $400 so depending on how you go your range is $2300-2700 shipped.


I didn't really address what the base price comes with, you get the motor, impeller, cyclone, filter and mag switch so again everything to function except some way to mount it and the barrel.What's the magnetic switch?

[Andy Giddings]

Think shipping is extra on the Oneida website price as well which may bring the Amazon one in line

[dennis davidson]

The V-3000 only needs a 20 amp circuit while the 5000 requires 30 amp circuit.

[Jim Andrew]

What size impeller has the 5000?

[Mike Dowell]

The V-3000 only needs a 20 amp circuit while the 5000 requires 30 amp circuit.Damn... There goes $150 in 10/3 wiring and a 30 amp receptacle.:(

[Greg Parrish]

Wait for a holiday. I bought my v3000 from Oneida around July 4th I think it was and it included free remote and was discounted 10 or 20 percent or so. might be worth the wait.

[Jim Becker]

Your future plans for tools like a J/P or similar separates plus tools like sanders dictate you should make a fairly big jump up for your new dust collection system. When I bought my J/P I actually had to upgrade my cyclone to keep up with it and other tools benefited accordingly. I'll also recommend one of the Oneida systems, but suggest you speak with them to determine which might be best for your current and future tool plans. There's no harm in bigger, but a whole lot of hurt in too small. The V series may fit the bill well. I also suggest you work things out so you can use a 55 gallon drum under it if you can, even if it means putting the motor between joists if that's a possibility for you. You'll appreciate that once you have that J/P... DAMHIKT!

Don't be afraid to negotiate with Oneida, either...I scored a nice unit with a scratch on the side and they shaved off some nice coin as an incentive, for example.

[Bill Adamsen]

I thought the Oneida systems shipped WITH the filter(s)?

When I wrote that you hadn't indicated a preference for mfg/model except stating your existing HF Model. I am not super familiar with Oneida's product line - but if there are canisters ... you are paying for them (and will again to replace). Point is that there are lots of parts to a successful dust collection system including the design, piping, gates, cyclone and fan, ambient air cleaning and air particulate measurement. Design plays a significant role in such things as (labor involved in) maintenance.

[Mike Chalmers]

Wait for a holiday. I bought my v3000 from Oneida around July 4th I think it was and it included free remote and was discounted 10 or 20 percent or so. might be worth the wait.


What? Wait 6 months for a sale? Who does that?

[Ole Anderson]

Unless you are planning on running more than one tool at a time, 3 hp is plenty. I am running a 2 hp SDG and have plenty of flow, but then I have a 7" main run.

[Mike Dowell]

Your future plans for tools like a J/P or similar separates plus tools like sanders dictate you should make a fairly big jump up for your new dust collection system. When I bought my J/P I actually had to upgrade my cyclone to keep up with it and other tools benefited accordingly. I'll also recommend one of the Oneida systems, but suggest you speak with them to determine which might be best for your current and future tool plans. There's no harm in bigger, but a whole lot of hurt in too small. The V series may fit the bill well. I also suggest you work things out so you can use a 55 gallon drum under it if you can, even if it means putting the motor between joists if that's a possibility for you. You'll appreciate that once you have that J/P... DAMHIKT!

Don't be afraid to negotiate with Oneida, either...I scored a nice unit with a scratch on the side and they shaved off some nice coin as an incentive, for example.Ding and dent sale - YES - that's brilliant.

[Jim Becker]

Ding and dent sale - YES - that's brilliant.

Saved nearly a grand on our refrigerator that way...no harm in using that same technique with a tool that's going to live hung up in a closet with the lights turned off. :D

I will admit that it didn't hurt that I also made a field trip to Syracuse to pick the thing up and also get "the tour". :) (There's a thread here about that somewhere I believe)

[Van Huskey]

Think shipping is extra on the Oneida website price as well which may bring the Amazon one in line

I was comparing apples to apples.

[Van Huskey]

What's the magnetic switch?


Motor starter/switch.

[stan shields]

Anybody know if the 1.5HP Shopfox DC can be upgraded using the Rikon impeller?