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Derek Cohen
01-02-2017, 11:28 AM
Three accessories for those with a leg vise ...


I posted recently about the kitchen doors I am building ... 22 in all. They are all in Hard Maple, from rough sawn timber imported from the USA. As mentioned previously as well, all Shaker style to replace doors with raised panels from the existing kitchen built 20 plus years ago.


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Kitchen/1-3_zpsivdoewxc.jpg


I've now completed 12 of the doors, and am in the process of assembling the rest ...


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/1_zpsgvekhpet.jpg


As I was clamping yet another frame to side of the bench, I decided that I had enough of fiddling with this process, and decided to modify my leg vise to make it more friendly. The problem was that the section of the bench facing the chop was lined in leather for added grip. This lifted the work away from the side of the bench, and, when clamped in the vise, the frame would rack. I had got by through shimming the gap. Of course, if I adjusted the frame, the bloody shim dropped out, and I would have to start all over again!


The first accessory was easy enough ... a shim that would not fall off the bench ...


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/9a_zpsl8dkg6wv.jpg


The shim is the same thickness as the leather ...


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/10a_zpszc50z6g4.jpg


Next ...


One of the big advantages of a leg vise is that one can clamp a door down one side. The problem is that the vise racks. Over time the vise will damaged. More immediately, it does not hold as firmly as when the full width of the face is used. The time honoured method for dealing with this is to have a deck of wooden cards that may be dropped in the opposing end. Something like this version, which is sold by Lee Valley ...


http://www.leevalley.com/US/images/item/Woodworking/Clamps/09a0235s1.jpg


I did not want something that would be lying around. I have enough bits and bobs lying around already. Even the shim (above) is another item to lie around, and I shall have to come up with a better idea to replace it.


Well, I came up with an idea for the vise which I have not seen before, so it may just be original (I doubt that, but it is nice to imagine). This a simple depth stop for the outside of the chop.


This was built from Jarrah scrap. I found a thread that I could mortice into the wood. The hole for the thread was drilled with a brace and bit.


It was hard going. The bit was sharp and the threads were clean and designed for hardwood. But they were not going anywhere, even with much downforce. I recalled a tip that a fellow Aussie had posted on the Australian forum (and, indeed, had won a prize from Pop Wood magazine). It involved how to use a forstner bit with a brace. To do so, he drilled a pilot hole:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_unwqESVfA&feature=youtu.be


It occurred to me that this may work with the bit as well ...


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/1a_zpsysoqhj54.jpg


Did it ever ..!


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/3a_zpsyuxie77t.jpg

Derek Cohen
01-02-2017, 11:29 AM
So here is the depth stop ..

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/6a_zpsvf91kxsm.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/4a_zpsmht9mcf0.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/5a_zpsir6gcp3w.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/8a_zps4qp7nygc.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/7a_zpsouqwm8ng.jpg

Finally, all could be used together, and attaching and holding frames became a breeze ...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/11a_zpsreni0fy5.jpg

The third accessory? Well, have you not wanted to use the leg vise like an end vise, that is, to clamp boards across the bench? Like this ...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/12a_zps8ddtg1uc.jpg

Obviously, on the bench are dogs like these ...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/13a_zps3gwo1fuf.jpg

These are from Lee Valley. I cover the faces in leather to prevent marring sides (I do the same will all hold downs).

The other side is the leg vise chop, and that, too, has a dog sunk into it ..

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/14a_zpsl0g3mewx.jpg

These are also from LV, the "prairie dogs", which are spring loaded ..

http://www.leevalley.com/US/images/item/Woodworking/Clamps/05g1022i2.jpg

When no longer needed, they are pushed into the chop and out of the way. Pop them up again when you choose ...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/16a_zpsvifkl9ey.jpg

Lots of fun, but all useful.

Now, how do I build the shim into the bench?

Regards from Perth

Derek

David Eisenhauer
01-02-2017, 12:31 PM
The leg vise stop is definitely of interest to me, thanks for the idea. And yes, where does one put all of the bench hooks, does feet, shooting boards, dovetail stands, etc? Space under the bench is at a premium and there is absolutely no more wall space.

Tom Vanzant
01-02-2017, 1:00 PM
How about a 3" strip of Benchcrafted "Crubber" centered on the front edge of the bench?

Joe Bailey
01-02-2017, 1:20 PM
Now, how do I build the shim into the bench?

Regards from Perth

Derek

you don't; you simply put a strip of (same thickness) leather across the front edge of the bench

Billy Trinh
01-02-2017, 1:58 PM
Great tips! I'll keep in mind when I build my bench someday :)



Now, how do I build the shim into the bench?

Derek

Maybe cut a recess in the bench with depth of the clamped/compressed leather to make it coplanar?

William Fretwell
01-02-2017, 3:19 PM
[QUOTE=Derek Cohen;2641031]
The third accessory? Well, have you not wanted to use the leg vise like an end vise, that is, to clamp boards across the bench? Like this ...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/Derek50/Workbench%20and%20Workshop/Leg%20vise%20accessories/12a_zps8ddtg1uc.jpg


No, never wanted to do that.
Work is not supported properly, that's what the end vise is for.
The traditional Scandinavian shoulder vise along with a bench apron does not have these issues, i.e.: you can clamp in line with the screw, you can clamp any width to the apron.

Some Roubo's have a front leg vise and a second sliding front vise. Your wracking fix should work but you may need a wear plate countersunk into the vise face as the force lower down near the screw will be far greater than the top edge of the vise.

Derek Cohen
01-03-2017, 6:44 AM
you don't; you simply put a strip of (same thickness) leather across the front edge of the bench

That's what I wound up doing. Made life easier as I completed planing the last doors.

Regards from Perth

Derek

Chris Hachet
01-03-2017, 8:37 AM
Irony of Ironies, I am building maple shaker style kitchen cabinet doors myself and my kitchen will take...19 of them....

Chris Hachet
01-03-2017, 8:39 AM
Aslo getting ready to build a second bench, and this validates my thoughts on using something like a Veritas twin screw for the front vise. I want something that will handle wider items and also work well for dovetailing.

Love what you did, and love the Benchcrafted Vise on the front of my current bench, I may have to copy this trick!

Derek Cohen
01-03-2017, 9:13 AM
Thanks Chris.

Post pics of your doors when you can. How are you finishing them?

Regards from Perth

Derek

Chris Hachet
01-03-2017, 11:41 AM
Thanks Chris.

Post pics of your doors when you can. How are you finishing them?

Regards from Perth

DerekTwo coats of Watco oil, followed by General finishes acrylic waterborne finish. Built an entire set of kitchen cabinets, will post up the whole kitchen when I get backspalsh tile and counter-tops complete.

Regards,

Chris